Was he within his rights as a resort guest?

Elizabethb:
Hotel guests can certainly eat at their own hotels--by simply making ADR's like everyone else.
Would you then give priority at Kona to a walk in who simply is staying at the Poly and hasn't got the energy or forethought to even care about dinner reservations, over me who made ADR's in good faith and who is staying at OKW?
 
I could be wrong.....

but I'm sure every restaurant has some tables set aside for walkups....

they can't all be put aside for ADR's....



Actually, every time we have gone over the past couple of years every restaurant was turning away anyone who did not have ADR's. I would bet the only way to get seated as a walk-in is if you go during the slower value seasons at WDW. Of course, now the slow times are even busy. :eek:


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Actually, every time we have gone over the past couple of years every restaurant was turning away anyone who did not have ADR's. I would bet the only way to get seated as a walk-in is if you go during the slower value seasons at WDW. Of course, now the slow times are even busy. :eek:


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I know right....what happened to the recession we are supposed
to be in.....WDW is busier than ever:confused3

We have to stop talking up the place:lmao:
Kerri
 
We just got back from staying the Poly.
The one thing I did notice that there we plenty of empty seats when we ate our ADR's. In one instance at Le Cellier, it was almost 1/2 empty.

Why - It was the middle of the day. 1:30 pm to be exact.

If you want to walk up to a a restaurant, try the middle of the day.

If not, you are out of luck.

BTW, we did a walk up at Kona Cafe at 1:30 pm. We were seated within 5 minutes.

That resort guest in my opinion was way out of line.
 

Even if they hold SOME tables for resort guests, you cannot guarentee every person at the Poly a seat in one of the two sit down restaurants every evening. There are not enough tables.

One of the ways to do an Kantian ethical analysis is to ask "if everyone did this, what would happen." If everyone does it and its ok, then it may be ok (there are other questions to ask - like who gets hurt and who benefits). If every guest at the Poly demands a table at Ohana or Kona, not only would no one else ever get seated, every person staying at the Poly wouldn't get seated. Since Disney can't guarentee that for everyone, they shouldn't have made it happen for this one person.
 
I think it's right that they gave him a table. I think there should be some tables available at a resort restaurant for those people who are spending good money to stay there and want the convenience of being able to eat there without having to plan their whole trip around adr.
 
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If seats were set aside for resort guests, this could create another set of problems for management: seats that are often empty due to being available to resort guests only, arguments from resort guests who still do not get one of the limited tables (you know this will happen), guests with ADR's wondering why they can't be seated on time when there are empty tables sitting there, etc..

Agreed... why would Disney give up seats for "possible" walk ups when they can book a full restaurant? As much as we all love Disney, it is still a business and I don't see them doing this.

Personally, I think the husband in the OP was way out of line and I disagree with management's decision.

My mom and I were talking last night about just HOW people can plan such an expensive trip and NOT actually do any planning. It's not that hard! Google "Disney World information" or "Disney World Planning" and you get page after page of information. That's how I found the Dis! By not doing this planning you may as well throw your money out your window because you are just wasting said money and time.
 
I completely agree with you! During a stay at the Poly and BC sometime ago we could not get any ADR's for O'hana while being a Poly guest or Cape May while being a BC guest. Now I always do my ADR's and we did, but sometimes you have a change of plans due to the weather or the children, etc.... So, we called from our room in hopes of getting a reservation....nothing, we visited concerige.....nothing, we walked up to the rest...and nothing. We did get annoyed at the fact that we were guest at the resort and we DID see plenty of available tables that were "reserved" for those with ADR's, although to me that was one too many tables in my opinion to just hold and maybe no show. I do understand the whole ADR's and I make mine but it has become difficult to change plans and ADR's and when you are staying at a resort you kinda want that extra :wizard: just because you are that resorts guest. Anyway, thats just my opinion and thoughts.

Just to point out, tables are not held with ADRs, you just get your name on a list as the next ones seated when you show up. Therefore, if you don't show up at the rest. it doesn't matter or hold anything up.
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Agreed... why would Disney give up seats for "possible" walk ups when they can book a full restaurant? As much as we all love Disney, it is still a business and I don't see them doing this.

Personally, I think the husband in the OP was way out of line and I disagree with management's decision.

My mom and I were talking last night about just HOW people can plan such an expensive trip and NOT actually do any planning. It's not that hard! Google "Disney World information" or "Disney World Planning" and you get page after page of information. That's how I found the Dis! By not doing this planning you may as well throw your money out your window because you are just wasting said money and time.

I can really see this both ways. I also think that some people can research this and get there without realizing just how important ADR's are. There are several publications that would lead one to think these are available 'day of' which we know isnt always the case. Perhaps they could hold a certain amount back that guests of that resort could make during there stay instead of just leaving them open for walk-ups?
 
We visited WDW for the first time in Sept 07. I checked this board constantly and the one item that was a constant was GET AN ADR!
My DW was addiment that we did not need ADR's when we went last Sept. I made ADR's without her and was glad I did:banana: If I had not I doubt we would not have had TS on any given night as the resturants were full. (yes I got a good job PAPA from the DGD).
I worked in the food buisness for 15 years as a manager and had my share of "customers" yelling and screaming because they didn't get their food fast enough or it wasn't hot enough, or they didn't have reservations but demanded to be seated because they were there at the foyer.
Many times I had to usher a family out with the mom or dad yelling in my ear that they were were going to do this and that because they couldn't get a table for 2-3 hours (again other families made reservations weeks ahead,what these people don't have a phone?) and they had a "right" to be seated. I still can't figure that one out any help here on this one?
Bottom line here is the manager caved in to the pressure rather than cause a scene, right ot wrong at least the manager made a call.
I have to agree with the others your room reservation does not give you priortiy seating over thoses that took the time to call and make reservations.
Just my opinion.
Back to WDW in Feb 09 can't wait:woohoo:
 
I don't think "he was within his rights as a resort guest" to get nasty. I have vacationed at other hot spots, and generally speaking, you can always eat at your hotel as a last resort if you didn't make arrangements somewhere else.

But that ain't the way it is at Disney! And it sounds like they were told it ain't that way at Disney! Rather than bite the bullet and make some plans in advance, they resorted to bullying, and I think that's just really wrong.

Unfortunately, I've seen "pissed off guests" twice now at Disney hotels freaking out because they couldn't get a meal at "their resort." One was at Jiko last May. OMG, this woman was soooooo angry because she couldn't eat at her resort's nice restaurant. Now, I don't know if it was a lack of planning on her part or maybe the restaurant lost her ADR (she and the family were seriously dressed up), but she couldn't eat there and was making a huge scene. She kept saying, "I know you're booked, but this is my hotel, I'm staying here." We were standing outside by the little creek and we could hear her even outside. I know they didn't seat her there. They ended up finding another restaurant for her to go to somewhere else; I don't know where, but it was resolved with, "If you leave right now, you'll make it in time," and off she went.

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We witnessed something similar at the 'Ohana breakfast in September. It was during free dining, and the restaurants were packed!!! DH & I had just gotten in line for the check in, maybe one or two others behind us (strangers), and this lady came, got her family to sit/wait at some chairs, and she gets in line to check in. She was pretty frantic and visibly upset. She kept saying she was late, she was late. The folks in front of us said they were running a few minutes late, too, but as long as you have your ADRs, you should be okay. That's when this lady started going on about how she's staying at the resort, hadn't made ADRs, but was told to get there at opening and they'd seat her. Well, it was like 9:15 in the morning -- huge line, way after opening. She asked a good number of us if we were staying at the Poly, to which we all shook our heads no (us and the strangers all around us), but we had ADRs.

That's when she flipped out and went to the podium. She was yelling and pointing fingers about how all of "them" aren't even staying here, but they get to eat here (referring to DH, me and the several groups in front of and behind us). She was red, shaking -- truly freaking out. I felt so bad for her family!

Somebody with some authority came out and talked to her away from the big line. They were still talking to her after we'd checked in and were waiting for our buzzer to go off. Our breakfast took a little over an hour (we waited a little for Mickey to come to our table), and as we were walking out, the lady and her family were being seated. And she was still so visibly upset, red, shaking, sweating.

So, yes, I plan, even tho I go to WDW on very short notice, stay off site so that I can eat off property easily, and it does irk me to see customers using these tactics to get a table. On the other hand, the vacationer in me who has gone to other vacation destinations agrees that you should be able to eat at your hotel if everywhere else is full. But I don't have an answer. Leaving tables open is going to tick people off. But people are ticked off now with the current system, too.
 
I can certainly see things getting to the point where a person has priority for dining at their own resort. For example, the Poly guest has priority over others for late ADR's at Kona and, likewise, the OKW guest has priority over others for late ADR's at Olivia's.

With restaurants booking up 180 days in advance, it can be very frustrating for a resort guest to find out that there is no way to "pop" into their resort's restaurant for a bite. With kids, it can be exhausting to consider trying to either get in the car -- or take a couple of buses -- just to get dinner. Especially when you're paying $400 a night for the hotel.

If demand for resort restaurant ADR's continues, I can definitely see WDW making a change and treating resort restaurants like they treat resort parking -- those who are paying for a room at the resort get priority.

I can even, in due course, see people becoming as proprietary about their resort's restaurants and they currently are about their resort's parking facilities and pools. "If I'm paying to stay at the Poly, I want first dibs on Kona and Ohana."

If I only had a nickel for every time I see this attitude posted here about parking lots and pools. IMO, resort restaurants could be next.

Time will tell . . .
 
I didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if I"m repeating other replies.

We stayed at the Poly for the first time last month, and I can understand where this man was coming from. We usually stay at the Beach Club and have no problem walking into Yachtsman Steakhouse or Yacht Club Galley on a whim. On this past trip, the Poly felt like it was the fifth park. At times, the second floor of the Grand Ceremonial House was more crowded than Main Street in the MK. It's frustrating for guests.

It absolutely doesn't excuse screaming to get your way, but I can understand his frustration.
 
I can really see this both ways. I also think that some people can research this and get there without realizing just how important ADR's are. There are several publications that would lead one to think these are available 'day of' which we know isnt always the case. Perhaps they could hold a certain amount back that guests of that resort could make during there stay instead of just leaving them open for walk-ups?

Lets say they hold back six tables a night for hotel guests without ADRs. By six pm, they've had five hotel guests walk up to Kona, and the sixth table was taken by someone staying in a suite at the Grand Floridian (if we are going to play the "I paid big bucks I should get to do what I want" card - this guy is going to get a table). Poly guest #7 shows up, all hotel guest walkup tables have been taken, the restaurant is now running 40 minutes behind on seating ADRs and probably won't catch up, and guest #7 throws a fit. Do they seat him?
 
As a local who hates the 180day system

the guy was way out of line and acted like a two year old....holy entitlement issue…
Checking into a hotel means you get to stay the night, not become the guest of honor...and in all honesty if he was paying the big bucks a concierge could have made him a reservation....
 
How unfortunate for your friend. However, had he done his homework PRIOR to leaving home, he would have realized he had to plan.

I'm sorry, as a manager, I would have just explained the process. I think throwing the noticeable temper tantrum....I would have told him to calm down, or I would have called Disney security. Believe me...those guys can move fast...LOL

Sometimes in life, we just have to put on our "big boy" pants and cut our losses....this was one of those times.

Maybe Disney is not for him....

Esmerlelda
 
Agreed... why would Disney give up seats for "possible" walk ups when they can book a full restaurant? As much as we all love Disney, it is still a business and I don't see them doing this.


ITA, it's a business - they'll take guaranteed $$ over "possible" $ any day! I do think a possibility would be for each restaurant to hold some ADR's back until the day of. That way resort guests could call that AM if they wanted to eat there (so could anyone else - I don't subscribe to the "my" resort thing). Those calls could possibly fill all those ADR's, if not then they'd have some space for walk-ups. I'm sure they'd probably all get filled that way.

I still think Disney is well within its rights, though, to take ADR's as early as they want and fill their seats. First come, first served (or booked!)
 
I say it all the time, I see many more guest acting rude and barbaric than I ever see cm's.....

I've been to wdw a time or two so I don't make adr's anymore but I would never, ever think about causing a scene such as the op described. My dh would personally gag me with a napkin if I ever tried. I saw a mother with chidren literally curse out the poor podium cm at Tony's in MK because she couldn't get seated, actually called the women a b&**.
 
I don't think it's correct to assume you'll be able to eat at the sit down restaurant where you are staying. However, I can see that many many people don't know about the current ADR system or don't speak English or don't want to pay the charges to make a long distance phone call to make ADRs or are given incorrect information. BUT I don't feel all that bad because all of these resorts also offer the cafeteria type restaurants and if you are turned away at the sit down types just go there to eat. OR since you are a resort guest get room service!
I think the problem is the ADR system. It is a fact that you can make as many ADRs for the same night as you want. Just keep using different names or phone #s. I think their system stinks.
 


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