Warning: HOT Chicken McNuggets are now a danger!

[Suger Mag]

Hopefully the little girl will be OK and without any lasting effects. Burns can be so very painful.
This was not a fake court, or even something we see on TV like Judge Judy LOL. it was a group of people selected to be on a real jury and they found from the preponderance of the evidence actually presented that the case had merits and made an award.
Not going to call out specific people, but none of us were actually there, nor was this our child who was hurt.
But beware of what you sow. Making fun or minimizing someone else's pain is not good karma. Hopefully you or one of your tiny loved ones will never experience this kind of injury or pain to see just how real it can be.

 

[DisneyHardin]

I can't quite visualize what happened with the nugget and how it got wedged against her skin for an extended period. I do hate that a child was hurt, but this doesn't seem to be in any way McDonald's fault like the coffee incident was.

 

[nw6675]

I bit into a Wendy's chicken sandwich recently and scalding hot grease went everywhere. The sandwich wasn't even hot on the outside. Things happen, whether home cooking or a restaurant.

I hate the girl suffered, but it's not like McD's was purposeful in serving hot food.

I guess I should have sued Frito-Lay when DD had a piece of cheeto conveyor belt in her bag. They confirmed what it was after their analysis and sent us $50 and a huge box of snacks.

 

[PollyannaMom]

I do feel bad for the little girl - but because a freak accident happened to her. I don't think that McDonald's should have to change their cooking methods or that her mom did something I couldn't have easily done myself. I think the blame game happens way too much in today's society.

 

[CamillaF]

Speaking of the coffee incident. I read that article, and have read others in the past on the situation. I will never agree with the outcome. While they may have found the legal grounds to award such an outrageous amount, I feel it was her fault. How can they say it was 20% her fault (I know that’s only part of the settlement), when IMO the spilling of the coffee was 100% her fault so it being too hot or what not should not matter. If they spilled it on her, then ok. At most they should’ve had to pay her medical bills, but even that is pushing it in my eyes.

Not that it matters, just giving my opinion since I’ve seen a couple people mention reading the article. It doesn’t change everyone’s opinion on the situation.

She asked to settle for her medical bills. McDonalds turned her down. They most likely would have won as well except for the Memo that told the franchisees to ignore the health department and to keep just paying the fines. Sometimes the law gives very large settlements so that companies feel the pain and follow the law. Do you remember the start of all of these large settlements? You can blame it on the Ford Pento and the "It's cheaper to let them Burn" lawsuit.

 

[pens4821]

You obviously didn't read the details of the case.

Edited to add a link
https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

I did, but still don’t agree.

 

[sam_gordon]

I did, but still don’t agree.

Is there ANY temperature that's "too hot" in your opinion? Keep in mind, 190 degree coffee could produce 3rd degree burns in ~three seconds.

McDonalds had settled injury claims from coffee burning people to the tune of $500,000+ in the decade previous to this case. So they KNEW their coffee was dangerous.

Is it unrealistic to think someone might spill the coffee? I don't think so.
Is it realistic to think "if I spill the coffee, I will get 3rd degree burns"? I don't think so.

I'm curious, if you care to explain, why you don't think McDonald's is at fault. Please don't say "coffee is supposed to be hot". If you think coffee is supposed to be at 190 degrees, then say that.

 

[pens4821]

I'm curious, if you care to explain, why you don't think McDonald's is at fault. Please don't say "coffee is supposed to be hot". If you think coffee is supposed to be at 190 degrees, then say that.

I’m not trying to be an ***, my opinion is my opinion. But no, in my eyes McDonald’s isn’t at fault. She had the coffee, and spilled it on herself. The temperature shouldn’t matter. And no I couldn’t quantify what an ok temperature is and isn’t (I personally don’t like stuff real hot). But that’s MY opinion. I’m not trying to say the courts were wrong or you’re wrong. It’s MY opinion and I’m 100% ok if you think I’m wrong.

For curiosity I googled temperature of Starbucks coffee. One site said 150-170, one said 180-185, one said average of 185.6, then I quit looking. So 190 doesn’t seem all that out of the ordinary.

 

[dez1978]

Have you actually taken the time to learn about the coffee lawsuit? Someone posted a link above, you will clearly learn that McDonald’s was at fault and the burned was a victim of not just jot coffee.

Just because it was too hot doesn't mean it's not stupid to put a hot liquid handed to you in a cup that everyone knows the lids pop off off between your legs and drive off.

 

[dez1978]

Is there ANY temperature that's "too hot" in your opinion? Keep in mind, 190 degree coffee could produce 3rd degree burns in ~three seconds.

McDonalds had settled injury claims from coffee burning people to the tune of $500,000+ in the decade previous to this case. So they KNEW their coffee was dangerous.

Is it unrealistic to think someone might spill the coffee? I don't think so.
Is it realistic to think "if I spill the coffee, I will get 3rd degree burns"? I don't think so.

I'm curious, if you care to explain, why you don't think McDonald's is at fault. Please don't say "coffee is supposed to be hot". If you think coffee is supposed to be at 190 degrees, then say that.

https://www.techgearlab.com/reviews... else, the Bunn,a half minutes before brewing.

https://kitchefry.com/blog/do-comme...a-higher-temperature-than-home-coffee-makers/

195-200 pretty much the norm for commercial coffee makers. So yeah, I do expect coffee to be hot enough to produce burns if 190 is hot enough for 3rd degree burns.

 

[sam_gordon]

Just because it was too hot doesn't mean it's not stupid to put a hot liquid handed to you in a cup that everyone knows the lids pop off off between your legs and drive off.

Except it didn't spill while they were driving.

And if "everyone knows the lids pop off", shouldn't the business do something to prevent THAT?

 

[sam_gordon]

https://www.techgearlab.com/reviews/kitchen/coffee-maker/bunn-heat-n-brew-programmable#:~:text=Above all else, the Bunn,a half minutes before brewing.

https://kitchefry.com/blog/do-comme...a-higher-temperature-than-home-coffee-makers/

195-200 pretty much the norm for commercial coffee makers. So yeah, I do expect coffee to be hot enough to produce burns if 190 is hot enough for 3rd degree burns.

Isn't the brewing temperature different than serving temperature?

I don't drink coffee, so I did some googling on my own. A number sites say brewing should be done around the 190-200 degree mark. But they go on to say it should be served much lower. Here are some:

This site says 120-140 degrees: https://driftaway.coffee/temperature/
This backs that up... https://www.homegrounds.co/how-hot-should-coffee-be/
This one also says 140 degrees: https://craftcoffeespot.com/coffee-temperature/

 

[dez1978]

Isn't the brewing temperature different than serving temperature?

I don't drink coffee, so I did some googling on my own. A number sites say brewing should be done around the 190-200 degree mark. But they go on to say it should be served much lower. Here are some:

This site says 120-140 degrees: https://driftaway.coffee/temperature/
This backs that up... https://www.homegrounds.co/how-hot-should-coffee-be/
This one also says 140 degrees: https://craftcoffeespot.com/coffee-temperature/

And how upset would customers be if a place refused to serve them a cup of coffee because it was just brewed and needed to wait however long it would take for the coffee to get to an acceptable temp? Sorry, we can't serve you this freshly made coffee for about 20 mins. That would go over wonderfully.

Except it didn't spill while they were driving.

And if "everyone knows the lids pop off", shouldn't the business do something to prevent THAT?

Ok, they weren't driving. She still had a cup of coffee between her legs in a car which is dumb regardless of if the car is parked or moving.
I don't disagree on the quality of the cups, but that seems to be an industry wide thing.,

 

[sam_gordon]

And how upset would customers be if a place refused to serve them a cup of coffee because it was just brewed and needed to wait however long it would take for the coffee to get to an acceptable temp? Sorry, we can't serve you this freshly made coffee for about 20 mins. That would go over wonderfully.

Yea, because you NEVER have to wait for food at restaurants. lol But, a good restaurant would start making a pot before the previous one is gone.

Ok, they weren't driving. She still had a cup of coffee between her legs in a car which is dumb regardless of if the car is parked or moving.
I don't disagree on the quality of the cups, but that seems to be an industry wide thing.,

OK, where do you put the coffee while you're adding cream/sugar? BTW, the car didn't have cup holders.

 

[dez1978]

Yea, because you NEVER have to wait for food at restaurants. lol But, a good restaurant would start making a pot before the previous one is gone.

OK, where do you put the coffee while you're adding cream/sugar? BTW, the car didn't have cup holders.

I supposed that depends on what type of machine that particular restauraunt has. Some brew a pot at a time. Others use the large brewers like you see at a gas station which you can't start a new one until that one is almost out.
I think this is just a thing people will never all agree on. While there are people like you who apparently would be happy to be told "please pull up and wait several mins until your coffee/food is cool enough for us to serve it to you" there are plenty of others who would be angry to be told that exact thing. Like we know it's hot, just give it to us and we are smart enough to wait on our own for it to cool off and eat/drink it. Why do we need to wait in line for things to cool off when we can be driving back to where ever we were going while its cooling off? If a person goes to a drive thru on their 30 min lunch, they don't want to waste an extra 5 min in line waiting for food to cool, when it could be cooling on the way back to work. Do businesses have some liability here, absolutely. But there's also some personal responsibility that needs to take place. But I guess this is why hair dryers have warning labels not to use while in the shower

I'd have either put it on the center console or if that wasn't an option, since they were parked, I'd have gotten out of the car and used a flat surface outside because I know coffee is hot and there is a chance I'll spill it on myself or my car.

 

[sam_gordon]

I supposed that depends on what type of machine that particular restauraunt has. Some brew a pot at a time. Others use the large brewers like you see at a gas station which you can't start a new one until that one is almost out.
I think this is just a thing people will never all agree on. While there are people like you who apparently would be happy to be told "please pull up and wait several mins until your coffee/food is cool enough for us to serve it to you" there are plenty of others who would be angry to be told that exact thing. Like we know it's hot, just give it to us and we are smart enough to wait on our own for it to cool off and eat/drink it. Why do we need to wait in line for things to cool off when we can be driving back to where ever we were going while its cooling off? If a person goes to a drive thru on their 30 min lunch, they don't want to waste an extra 5 min in line waiting for food to cool, when it could be cooling on the way back to work. Do businesses have some liability here, absolutely. But there's also some personal responsibility that needs to take place. But I guess this is why hair dryers have warning labels not to use while in the shower

I'd have either put it on the center console or if that wasn't an option, since they were parked, I'd have gotten out of the car and used a flat surface outside because I know coffee is hot and there is a chance I'll spill it on myself or my car.

Why do you need to try to take a cheap shot (read the bolded)? I never said I'd be "happy" to wait, I'm just pointing out it wouldn't be unusual.

If this would have been the first time someone suffered from scalding coffee, that would be one thing. But 700 cases in a decade? AND, all the lady originally wanted was her medical bills paid. She wasn't looking for a gift or to punish McD's. McD's also had settled some of those 700 cases for close to $500,000. But they said "no" when asked for $15k(?) for medical bills?

 

[easyas123]

I have no words for this

I guess fast food restaurants are going to need to put warnings on everything .
Like…..
Hey….the shake is super cold and may cause brain freeze
Hey….the coffee is hot and may burn the inside of your mouth
Hey….the frappe is loaded with calories and may cause weight gain
Hey….the burger you ordered requires fully chewing it or may cause choking
Hey….the fries you ordered have salt that may cause blood pressure issues
Hey….your chicken nugget is cooked in hot oil and may cause burning
We can go on and on

I don’t know about all of you, but I think I’m intelligent enough to not need these warnings. Everything I listed above is common sense. I feel bad for the little girl, I really do, no one likes to hear of a child getting hurt, but it was an unfortunate thing that happened. Maybe the mom should have told their child to wait 10 minutes before eating, maybe the mom shouldn’t have allowed the child to eat without supervision, maybe the mom shouldn’t allow the child to eat in the car, maybe the mom should have planned better and brought her own food and on and on it goes

I think nobody is to blame here.
Both sides can easily finger point at each other
I do think it was a money grab and she was successful at it.

Agreed-

So the mom can’t feel any extreme heat coming from the nugget box?

That's what I was thinking, too.

 

[AppleDumpling]

Just saw an update on this case. The family of the girl has been awarded $800,000 in damages.

https://www.today.com/food/news/mcdonalds-chicken-nugget-lawsuit-jury-awards-800k-damages-rcna95323