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BethR

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There is a little stray around our neighborhood. It is a young kitty - probably no more than 3 months old. And SOOOOO cute!!! All black with white paws and a white tip on its tail.
We see it around, under cars, in the back yard, on our friend's porch. It is VERY shy. You cannot get near it. But I think that I REALLY would like to adopt this kitty. So I am looking for some advice.
1. Should I really think about adopting a very shy, stray kitty into a home with 6 people - one of which is a 9 year old who will "love" it to death and won't be able to keep her hands off of it?
2. We already have a 4 year old cat - is it a good idea to adopt another? Will they kill each other? :rolleyes: Our cat is female - what if this little one would be a male? Are there pros and cons?
3. And ideas on how to "befriend" this little critter? We have been putting out food and water. Should we add something more "enticing" - like tuna? :)
4. We want indoor cats - do you think that this little kitty could learn to stay indoors IF we we would ever be able to get it?
5. Our 12 year old has allergies and we know that the cat makes her eyes red and watery, and sometime she gets hives if she has spento too much time with our cat. We give her benadryl and she feels better. She too would love to have another cat, but would this be unfair to her since she suffers from the allergies?

Any other comments on things that I haven't thought of would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks! :)
 
1. That is up to you. If you think you can explain to your 9 year old that the kitty needs time to adjust, then go for it. You may be surprised and find that the kitty will adjust quickly and love your daughter.

2. You would probably be better off if the cat was male. Doesn't mean all hell would break loose if it was a female either though. You wouldn't have nasty territory battles if the kitten was a male most likely. Ask your vet about it.

3. Try tuna!

4. Yes, if the kitty is still tiny I think it is totally possible. Litter box training is pretty simple too since cats naturally want to dig in something.

5. The allergies thing...I don't know. I would say that is up to you and your daughter. I don't really have any advice for that.

If you decide NOT to keep the kitty...take her in and try to find her a home or take her to a shelter. She will probably end up dead if left to be stray.
 
pm Rajah quick. she might already be gone but she is the one you will want to talk to about this.
 
Sounds familiar! Thank you for trying to take care of this kitty. :)

Originally posted by BethR
1. Should I really think about adopting a very shy, stray kitty into a home with 6 people - one of which is a 9 year old who will "love" it and won't be able to keep her hands off of it?

Yup! At such a young age, you have a fairly good chance of getting him/her socialized still so (s)he'll be okay with everyone in the family. Most likely (s)he's going to attach him/herself to the one person who befriends him/her first, but (s)he may still be friendly to the rest of the family. You probably will end up with one of thsoe kitties who runs to hide under the bed when guests come over, but is still lovable to the family.


2. We already have a 4 year old cat - is it a good idea to adopt another? Will they kill each other? :rolleyes: Our cat is female - what if this little one would be a male? Are there pros and cons?

Yup, it's still okay! If you only have one cat, your new cat will most likely love the companion once they establish a pecking order. You will need to keep the new kitty separate from the resident one for a while at first and do a slow introduction. Do you know how to do that already, or would you like instructions? Also, gender doesn't really make any difference. They'll both most likely fight at first while they establish a pecking order, and there'll be an occasional squabble after that, but given time they most likely will at least tolerate each other and at best become the best of friends. Gender shouldn't make any difference if your resident cat is spayed and if you get this new cat neutered/spayed shortly after getting it (or at an estimated 6 months of age if you can get a good age estimate -- it's actually healthier for the cat to wait until about 6/7 months of age to speuter, but you don't want to let a girl go through her first heat if you can keep from it, so if you don't know the age it's better to do it early rather than late.)


3. And ideas on how to "befreind" this little critter? We have been putting out food and water. Should we add something more "enticing" - like tuna? :)

Yup! Start by leaving food out for him/her. I would go with moist food for such a young kitten if you aren't already doing so, but if all you can do is dry then that's better than nothing. What I did with Maribelle when I was trying to catch her (the stray that some friends and I caught who now lives with those friends) was use half a can of the Sience Diet chicken kitten moist food. If you do go with moist, I highly recommend going with one of the "higher quality" brands like Science Diet or Wellness or IVD. Best from the general grocery store is probably Iams. Yes they're more expensive foods, but they're better for the health of the animal.

What I would do is start by leaving food out in the same place every evening. Once you've been doing that for a week or so, put the food out again as normal, then back away about 15-20 feet and sit down if you see him/her. Make sure you sit down and stay still, and see if the kitten comes out to eat as long as you're sitting down. If it won't come out while you're sitting down (you will have to be patient and no loud noises), then back off so that you're mostly out of sight. Slowly work your way up like this by moving a few feet closer each night, as close as the kitten will allow. Stay outside while the kitten eats until it either runs away or starts grooming.

After you've been sitting outside while it eats for a couple of days, start speaking in soft, gentle tones. Just carry on a conversation with the kitten, get it used to your voice.

Slowly, you should be able to work your way up to being able to sit less than 5 feet away while the kitten is eating, and you may be able to work your way up to being right next to the plate.

Once you get to that point, it's time to try and start catching the kitten. If you can bring yourself to do so, the best way to do that would be to not feed the kitten for one night, then go get a live-trap (ask at your vet's -- frequently you can either rent them at the vet's or they'll know where you can get one temporarily). After the kitten hasn't been fed for one night, put some tuna and a little bit of its food at the back of the live trap. Set up the trap as per instructions, and try catching him/her with the trap.

The reason I say "if you can bring yourself to do so" is because I never did have the heart to have Maribelle go one night without food ;) Therefore, it took us several weeks longer than necessary I think to catch her ;)

It's also best to go with a live trap immediately instead of trying to catch the kitten in a carrier. I speak from experience. If you mess up once with the carrier, you'll have a much lesser chance of catching the kitten with anything. We lucked out that Maribelle trusted us enough to finally be trapped using the live trap because after our failure with the carriers we never would have caught her if we hadn't had the trap.

Expect minor injuries when you use the trap. Most likely a small cut somewhere. Maribelle had a small cut on her nose, but it wasn't at all bad. They can't hurt themselves too badly on a live-trap -- that's the point of a live-trap :)

I would strongly advise against touching the kitten, no matter how much you want to. If the kitten has ringworm, you can pick that up yourself. Ringworm, despite the name, isn't a worm as I understand it, it's a bacteria instead that is easily transmitted to humans.

Also, there are other diseases that you have a chance of picking up from him/her and, while harmless to humans, you could transmit them to your current cat. I'd take a very close look (from a distance, of course) at the kitten and see if you can get a general idea of its health. How do its ears look, what about the eyes, fur? Check the back of the tail for signs of rear-engine problems. All of this without touching the kitten if you can keep from it.

Most likely, those precautions are unnecessary -- the most likely things the kitten will have are worms and fleas, and possibly none of that. But you don't want to take a chance if you can keep from it. That's another reason for keeping your current cat from contact with the kitten if possible until you can have the kitten checked out by the vet.

Now, a lot of this is probably unnecessary -- you might be able to start right away with the live trap and have success. But IMHO it's better to build up a trust relationship with the kitten and then catch it if possible. If it trusts you, you can get it to calm down faster and it might feel more comfortable being confined if it already trusts you. At least, that's what happened with Maribelle.

The time to bring out tuna is when you want to entice the kitten to you and are doing something different. Like when you first stay out with the food, leave a little tuna. When you start getting pretty close, leave a little tuna, when you use the trap, use a little tuna... that kind of thing.


4. We want indoor cats - do you think that this little kitty could learn to stay indoors IF we we would ever be able to get it?
Any other comments on things that I haven't thought of would be greatly appreciated!
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GOOD FOR YOU!!! THANK YOU! Yes, yes, yes, it is entirely possible to turn an outdoor cat into an indoor cat as long as you provide enough things to excite your new kitten indoors. If you want some great tips for that, I'd pick up the book "Think Like A Cat" by Pam Johnson-Bennett. (No affiliation, just a happy customer :) ) There are excellent cat-care instructions there, including how to keep your cat from getting bored. A bored cat finds no reason to go outdoors most of the time.

This will not be an immediate thing. It's going to take patience, patience, and even more patience. Don't be concerned if you make a mistake and (s)he starts getting skittish again -- you will most likely have several ups and downs in the process. Keep at it, and if luck is with you, you'll have a new family member soon. With Maribelle, it took us about 2 months to get to the point of trying to catch her, and another month or so after that before we actually did catch her (though part of that was delay on our part instead of hers). Maribelle also started out shy and skittish, and she's still rather shy with strangers but fairly friendly with her new owners and with me.

Also, once you do catch him/her, it's going to take a lot of patience and working to get him/her to be gentle. I strongly advise NOT playing with your hands or any other toy that puts your hands very close to the claws and teeth. Maribelle's new parents have several scars on their hands by not listening to that advice as they're trying to train her ;) Warn your kids to be careful as welll because a kitten in the wild learns to MEAN BUSINESS when using claws and teeth, while a kitten raised by hand learns to be more gentle. You can train a wild kitten to be gentle, but it's going to take time again.

Thanks for caring about this kitten!!

If you have any other questions I can help you with, feel free to PM me!
 

Apparently you added part 5 while I was typing my answer ;)


5. Our 12 year old has allergies and we know that the cat makes her eyes red and watery, and sometime she gets hives if she has spento too much time with our cat. We give her benadryl and she feels better. She too would love to have another cat, but would this be unfair to her since she suffers from the allergies?

That's something you'll need to take up with her. If she's willing to take the chance of allergy problems with this kitten, go for it. Also, have you taken her to an allergist? Is she taking allergy shots yet? If not, look into them. I started getting allergy shots in high school. It took about a year of shots, but after a year of treatment I went from having hives, very watery eyes, difficulty breathing, and breaking out in red spots just from being in a room with a cat to being able to hold one for a short period as long as I took allergy medicine. If she's willing to go the allergy-shot route (and you're willing to pay for it, of course ;) ), it's worth it if you love animals. I'm doing another round now because I never finished my treatments and the immunity-of-sorts wore off. ;)

Also, is she already taking allergy medicine? If she's only taking benadryl when having problems, she might benefit from taking daily allergy medicine.
 
Get kitty and give it lovins'.....I give Simba sooo much lovins', sometimes he has to get away from me, but I know he loves it. Don't forget the blinking collar.:p Cali was a stray, but she wasn't shy, we opened the door and she ran right in the house, never to leave, even when Simba, occasionally, jumps on her. She gets him back, however.:teeth: Hope you get kitty!:D
 
it's actually healthier for the cat to wait until about 6/7 months of age to speuter

who said that, and what is the basis? I've never known a vet who waits that long.


Ringworms are fungi, not bacteria (much more difficult to get rid of than a bacteria, especially if it's generalized)
 
Originally posted by DocRafiki
who said that, and what is the basis? I've never known a vet who waits that long.

Two of the vets at the clinic I take my cats to, the specialist we took Sage to before we lost him to FIP (she was speaking about when to neuter Blaze), as well as a vet technician on another board and a feline behavioralist, and several people who have fostered cats for several years. As well as 2 or 3 breeders.

I'm not a vet so my explanation may not be accurate, but what I understood was the longer they had for their hormones to help their system develop, the healthier the cat in the long run. No, I don't have any literature to support it. But I do have that analysis from several (what I consider to be) credible sources.
 
Rajah! I thought that you were off line! ;) Guess when it comes to kitties, you can't take apart the computer, huh? :D

Thank you EVERYONE for your thoughts and hints. Last evening and this morning we found that the food dish had been eaten from. YEAH! Now we don't KNOW that it is "our" little kitty, but we have our fingers crossed.
I am going to look into getting a live animal trap. I understand that a neighbor may have one, so this may make things easier. But of course, we will feed for a while.
Oh, if you guys could only see how CUTE this little one is!!! I think that it could give Simba a run for his money! :teeth: ;)
And where would I ever FIND a blinking collar??? :)
 
LOL Catsrule!!! I really never realized that the flashing collar was REAL!!! I always thought that your picture of Simba with his flashing collar had been "doctored up" to look that way!
Very cool! And very smart too! Especially for a little black kitty who likes to hide under cars. :)
 
Originally posted by BethR

5. Our 12 year old has allergies and we know that the cat makes her eyes red and watery, and sometime she gets hives if she has spento too much time with our cat. We give her benadryl and she feels better. She too would love to have another cat, but would this be unfair to her since she suffers from the allergies?
Thanks! :)

I am going to quote this too. We got rid of our cats last year. My first baby, 17, lots of medical problems. The next cat soon after was a stray we had taken in. Similiar to yours. Lived its life outside. We took it in. Come to find out it had FeLk. So it had to stay indoors, because of the risk to other animals. The cat hated it and could not 'hang' living indoors.
So then my 5yo was diagnosed with asthma. I was diagnosed as allergic. I get shots. We made the decision to euthanize the cat. I couldn't find ANYPLACE to take a FeLk positive cat.
It has been almost a year and it is the best decision, medically for ALL of us. I know you want the kitty but it is not worth having your dd at risk for sickness. It does bring down the quailty of life of people that are allergic. I know! I had cats for 30yrs of my life.
That being said, if you do decide to do it. Capture it, take it to the vet OR have animal control take it and test it BEFORE you bring it into your home. Strays may carry many problems and it is not worth having your kids getting attached only to find out it carries something you may not want to bring into your home or deal with.

Just my 2 cents...been there, good luck with your decision!
 
Thanks Jeaninne. If we did have the cat tested for FeL and it was positive, then I am sure that we could take it to SIL's farm. She has her cats vaccinated. And one or two already have FeL. She knows what to expect.
 
One thing I noticed NOBODY suggested was a specific 'cat-free' zone for your DD!Make one room in the house(her room,preferably)a totally CAT-FREE zone..no kitties allowed inside,vacuumed and cleaned as much as possible to keep dander,etc to a minimum.Also...I know this sounds extreme,but vacuum(pref with a hepa filter on the vac)EVERY DAY!It will help to keep pet hair/dander to a min,thus increasing your DD's comfort in being around the kitties.My brother,who also has pet allergies,does the same thing and he is ok with his allergies now that he is strictly following that kind of regiment(my parents have a very large,hairy,SLOBBERY black lab named Connie).Also,have you tried getting your DD desensitization(sp??) shots?Ask your dr/allergist about them and see what they say.
I hope everything goes ok and you get to keep the kitty.

Gail(UDB)
 
Gail -- Good reminder! We tried that, but in a one-bedroom apartment, it didn't happen for us ;) We do have two HEPA filters, though, and I most definitely notice it when those filters get "full" and it's time to change them. We're doing the "one room, no cats" thing at the house, though. :)

Also, make sure to use a litter that isn't scented, and if you find she has problems with the litterbox (your DD, that is), you could try a covered box. That's where the majority of my allergy/asthma problems come from -- the litterbox. So we're trying a covered box now.

You can also try batheing the cat (yes, giving it a bath) whenever your DD notices she's starting to have problems around it. Even if that's once a week. When we give Blaze and Skye a bath, I have fewer problems with them. Or try a product I think called AllerPet (I'm blanking on the name, but it's similar to that) -- they're these little handiwipes made specifically for pets and people with allergies to pets. Instead of batheing the cat, you wipe it down with one of these wipes and it helps pick up the dander, which is typically the thing people have problems with.

Don't know when we're disassembling my computer today, so this is probly the last post I'll have on this thread until later ;)

Good luck, Beth, and keep us updated!! :)
 
Why thanks,Rajah!*bows*The only reason I thought of that is because I know how it's been for my brother and his beloved Connie.I forgot about the litterbox thing but thanks for bringing it up.
The name of the spray IS Allerpet(used to work in a Petsmart..sold a lot of it!).
I hope everything works out,Beth.A home is just a house,unless there is a cat to scare away the mouse.:-D

Gail(UDB)
 
Actually, Simba's collar doesn't really flash, it is just a reflector on his collar, like what is on a bike. But through the power of animation.....:teeth:

I didn't get Simba nuetured until he was 8 months old. When I took him in as a kitten, vet told me to wait until he was 6 months old, less chance for urinary tract infections is what I was told, especially in males. :D
 
Thank you all so much for your help and encouragement - you all are the BEST!!! It is late, so I am just going to be quick - but I wanted to let you know that we have seen the little kitty twice today eating the food that we have left for it. Of COURSE, both times, it was DH - the catHATER :rolleyes: ;) - who spied the little guy each time. And it is DH who helped Laura (our 12 year old) to cover the food when we were expecting rain this evening. :)
I will let you know how things go in this little adventure! :)
 



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