War on Drugs

Have you ever tried illegal drugs?

  • No - Never

  • Yes - but only once

  • Yes - but not any more

  • Yes - still imbibe from time to time

  • Yes - and I got caught

  • Other - Don't want to vote


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How do you feel about harder drugs?
I don't mind Mushrooms and other Cannabis derivatives (used by others, not myself), but anything stronger, like manmade substances, and anything requiring an injection, I am not a fan (or supporter, or user, or even single-time-tester) of. However, I am also not judgemental. I respect a persons decision, even if I don't agree with it, since they're the ones that have to live with it... not I.
 
I don't mind Mushrooms and other Cannabis derivatives (used by others, not myself), but anything stronger, like manmade substances, and anything requiring an injection, I am not a fan (or supporter, or user, or even single-time-tester) of. However, I am also not judgemental. I respect a persons decision, even if I don't agree with it, since they're the ones that have to live with it... not I.

In some cases we do have to live with their decisions. Drug or alcohol effected newborns, crime to obtain money for more drugs, care for them when they have damaged their brains beyond repair etc.

If they just used their drugs and never bothered anybody else, that is one thing, but more than likely that is not the case. Especially with the hard drugs.
 
In some cases we do have to live with their decisions. Drug or alcohol effected newborns, crime to obtain money for more drugs, care for them when they have damaged their brains beyond repair etc.

If they just used their drugs and never bothered anybody else, that is one thing, but more than likely that is not the case. Especially with the hard drugs.
There's no need to preach to me :) You won't make a difference in my decision either way.
 
In some cases we do have to live with their decisions. Drug or alcohol effected newborns, crime to obtain money for more drugs, care for them when they have damaged their brains beyond repair etc.

If they just used their drugs and never bothered anybody else, that is one thing, but more than likely that is not the case. Especially with the hard drugs.

Similar things could be said about alcholol and cigarettes but they're legal and readily available here.
 

In some cases we do have to live with their decisions. Drug or alcohol effected newborns, crime to obtain money for more drugs, care for them when they have damaged their brains beyond repair etc.

If they just used their drugs and never bothered anybody else, that is one thing, but more than likely that is not the case. Especially with the hard drugs.

Well, we are certainly paying through the wazoo to warehouse these people in prison, so I don't exactly think that the war on drugs exactly keeps us free from their decisions.

I would like to see MJ made legal and taxed and regulated like tobacco.
 
I and the majority of people I've spent time with socially in college and graduate school smoke pot now and then. Most of us also drink (well, I can't anymore given my acid reflux problem :sick:) and some people smoke cigarettes and almost all of us are quite dependent on caffeine.

Like previous posters said, I think it is absolutely ridiculous that marijiuana is illegal. I am more torn about how to approach very hard drugs, but in general I think the current legal approach is horrible. And I think the anti-drug education kids receive (which groups pot along with meth and heroin and focuses on "just saying no") is just as useless and ineffectie as abstinence only sex-ed.
 
I smoked some pot in college and grad school, and a few times after that, haven't done it in quite a few years though.

I actually found pot to have far fewer side effects for me than alcohol. I never had a hangover or got sick from pot. Of course, there was that small problem of walking 3 miles one night to the only 24 convenience store because we HAD to have twinkies and yodels....:lmao:
 
I and the majority of people I've spent time with socially in college and graduate school smoke pot now and then. Most of us also drink (well, I can't anymore given my acid reflux problem :sick:) and some people smoke cigarettes and almost all of us are quite dependent on caffeine.

Like previous posters said, I think it is absolutely ridiculous that marijiuana is illegal. I am more torn about how to approach very hard drugs, but in general I think the current legal approach is horrible. And I think the anti-drug education kids receive (which groups pot along with meth and heroin and focuses on "just saying no") is just as useless and ineffectie as abstinence only sex-ed.


I totally agree - especially in the women's cases.

http://www.correctionalassociation.org/WIPP/publications/Women in Prison Fact Sheet 2007.pdf
 
I smoked some pot in college and grad school, and a few times after that, haven't done it in quite a few years though.

I actually found pot to have far fewer side effects for me than alcohol. I never had a hangover or got sick from pot. Of course, there was that small problem of walking 3 miles one night to the only 24 convenience store because we HAD to have twinkies and yodels....:lmao:

So do you think its fair that the politicians that admitted doing drugs - did so without penalty - but now they are implementing laws against fellow citizens for the same behavior?
 
how's this for a start. Have the farmers that we pay millions of dollars to not grow anything start growing hemp/ poppy whatever. That would take the money away from the drug cartels real quick. We could sell the product in the state store right next to the liqueur. It would be taxed just like any other product. We could take this money and use it for rehabs for those people who will have problems. This should also save us a boatload of cash in overseas enforcement. Empty out the prisons of the people who were convicted of non-violent drug crimes. That would free up a lot of jail space. We could use the space for real criminals. All the time money and effort we put into this Prohibition #2 could be used for taking care of real crimes. Violent crimes, terrorists etc.
 
how many small time users turn into full blown additcs?? my brother only did "weed" thru high school, he progressed into other stuff by the time he was out a year. How many violent crimes are caused by people who are high and dont have money for drugs?? Its a no win situation.
 
how many small time users turn into full blown addicts?? my brother only did "weed" thru high school, he progressed into other stuff by the time he was out a year. How many violent crimes are caused by people who are high and dont have money for drugs?? Its a no win situation.
Yes there will be those who will turn into full blown addicts just as there are full blown alcoholics. I'm sure there are many people who have experiences similar to yours just as there will be many who had the opposite. Me being one of them. With the money that is saved should be more than enough to provide programs and treatment for those who need it. As for the violent crime, I think the majority of that is caused by the people selling. They are trying to protect their profit. By eliminating their profit there would be no reason to sell it. As for it being a no win situation I agree. But there has to be a better way to go about it.
 
how many small time users turn into full blown additcs?? my brother only did "weed" thru high school, he progressed into other stuff by the time he was out a year. How many violent crimes are caused by people who are high and dont have money for drugs?? Its a no win situation.
I did weed regularly through high school. I graduated with honors.

I did weed less regularly through college. I graduated Summa Cum Laude.

I do weed casually now, as an alternative to a beer, while in grad school. I have a 4.0.

It's a matter of finding balance. Sadly, and it truly is sad, your brother doesn't appear to have found a balance. I offer my prayers.

Next, how many of those violent crimes would be solved once this prohibition ends and prices for the substances go down to levels affordable by those who use. Once this prohibition ends and good people who are discriminated against for their habit can get a job.
 
So do you think its fair that the politicians that admitted doing drugs - did so without penalty - but now they are implementing laws against fellow citizens for the same behavior?
I don't. I find it extremely hypocritical.

Then again, they ARE politicians ;)
 
This is sort of related to the discussion:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080229/ap_on_re_us/prison_population_10

Record-high ratio of Americans in prison

By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer 2 hours, 4 minutes ago

NEW YORK - For the first time in U.S. history, more than one of every 100 adults is in jail or prison, according to a new report documenting America's rank as the world's No. 1 incarcerator. It urges states to curtail corrections spending by placing fewer low-risk offenders behind bars.


Using state-by-state data, the report says 2,319,258 Americans were in jail or prison at the start of 2008 — one out of every 99.1 adults. Whether per capita or in raw numbers, it's more than any other nation.

The report, released Thursday by the Pew Center on the States, said the 50 states spent more than $49 billion on corrections last year, up from less than $11 billion 20 years earlier. The rate of increase for prison costs was six times greater than for higher education spending, the report said.

The steadily growing inmate population "is saddling cash-strapped states with soaring costs they can ill afford and failing to have a clear impact either on recidivism or overall crime," the report said.

Susan Urahn, managing director of the Pew Center on the States, said budget woes are pressuring many states to consider new, cost-saving corrections policies that might have been shunned in the recent past for fear of appearing soft on crime.

"We're seeing more and more states being creative because of tight budgets," she said in an interview. "They want to be tough on crime. They want to be a law-and-order state. But they also want to save money, and they want to be effective."

The report cited Kansas and Texas as states that have acted decisively to slow the growth of their inmate population. They are making greater use of community supervision for low-risk offenders and employing sanctions other than reimprisonment for offenders who commit technical violations of parole and probation rules.

"The new approach, born of bipartisan leadership, is allowing the two states to ensure they have enough prison beds for violent offenders while helping less dangerous lawbreakers become productive, taxpaying citizens," the report said.

While many state governments have shown bipartisan interest in curbing prison growth, there also are persistent calls to proceed cautiously.

"We need to be smarter," said David Muhlhausen, a criminal justice expert with the conservative Heritage Foundation. "We're not incarcerating all the people who commit serious crimes. But we're also probably incarcerating people who don't need to be."

According to the report, the inmate population increased last year in 36 states and the federal prison system.

The largest percentage increase — 12 percent — was in Kentucky, where Gov. Steve Beshear highlighted the cost of corrections in his budget speech last month. He noted that the state's crime rate had increased only about 3 percent in the past 30 years, while the state's inmate population has increased by 600 percent.

The report was compiled by the Pew Center's Public Safety Performance Project, which is working with 13 states on developing programs to divert offenders from prison without jeopardizing public safety.

"Getting tough on criminals has gotten tough on taxpayers," said the project's director, Adam Gelb.

According to the report, the average annual cost per prisoner was $23,876, with Rhode Island spending the most ($44,860) and Louisiana the least ($13,009). It said California — which faces a $16 billion budget shortfall — spent $8.8 billion on corrections last year, while Texas, which has slightly more inmates, was a distant second with spending of $3.3 billion.

On average, states spend 6.8 percent of their general fund dollars on corrections, the report said. Oregon had the highest spending rate, at 10.9 percent; Alabama the lowest at 2.6 percent.

Four states — Vermont, Michigan, Oregon and Connecticut — now spend more on corrections than they do on higher education, the report said.

"These sad facts reflect a very distorted set of national priorities," said Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont, referring to the full report. "Perhaps, if we adequately invested in our children and in education, kids who now grow up to be criminals could become productive workers and taxpayers."

The report said prison growth and higher incarceration rates do not reflect an increase in the nation's overall population. Instead, it said, more people are behind bars mainly because of tough sentencing measures, such as "three-strikes" laws, that result in longer prison stays.

"For some groups, the incarceration numbers are especially startling," the report said. "While one in 30 men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars, for black males in that age group the figure is one in nine."

The racial disparity for women also is stark. One of every 355 white women aged 35 to 39 is behind bars, compared with one of every 100 black women in that age group.


The nationwide figures, as of Jan. 1, include 1,596,127 people in state and federal prisons and 723,131 in local jails. That's out of almost 230 million American adults.

The report said the United States incarcerates more people than any other nation, far ahead of more populous China with 1.5 million people behind bars. It said the U.S. also is the leader in inmates per capita (750 per 100,000 people), ahead of Russia (628 per 100,000) and other former Soviet bloc nations which round out the Top 10.

The U.S. also is among the world leaders in capital punishment. According to Amnesty International, its 53 executions in 2006 were exceeded only by China, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq and Sudan.
 
Well, we are certainly paying through the wazoo to warehouse these people in prison, so I don't exactly think that the war on drugs exactly keeps us free from their decisions.

I would like to see MJ made legal and taxed and regulated like tobacco.

No one is in prison for USING illegal drugs.

Selling illegal drugs? Yes

Commiting property crimes to finance drug habits? Yes

Robberies to support habit? Yes

Other violent crimes as a result of their drug use? Yes

Use? Nope.
 
Next, how many of those violent crimes would be solved once this prohibition ends and prices for the substances go down to levels affordable by those who use. Once this prohibition ends and good people who are discriminated against for their habit can get a job.

The answer is none.

Government will have to regulate the potency of whatever substance you choose to put in this legal category.

Black market will exist to deliver a more potent substance. It would be like "Near Beer" versus Canadian beer, more of the alcohol that you want.

The social cost (hospitalization, treatment, lost productivity, untreated addictions) would replace the enforcement cost.
 
Empty out the prisons of the people who were convicted of non-violent drug crimes. That would free up a lot of jail space. We could use the space for real criminals. All the time money and effort we put into this Prohibition #2 could be used for taking care of real crimes. Violent crimes, terrorists etc.

If someone steals your life savings, say $50,000, you'd be opposed to seeing them go to prison?
 

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