Want to pick my next camera for me?

Chelley00

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There are way too many to chose from!! Right now I have a Canon S3 IS. I love it, but the zoom lens is broken and it will cost more to fix it than to buy a new camera.

Here's what's important to me:

1. Cannot be a DSLR. DH will also use the camera and he will not want something that is not a point and shoot.

2. I take a lot of sports pictures, mostly soccer:
Little shutter lag
No blur on movement
Good zoom to see across the field

3. I'd like to have an optical viewfinder as well as a LCD screen

4. Not too compact. I like a little bulk.

My budget is $500, but the less I spend the better :)
 
Canon SX30 IS

Keep in mind many of the things you mentioned are user error type things. The camera won't automatically be able to fix some of them for you.
 
A dSLR *is* a point and shoot! On "Auto" there is little difference in the technical ability required to take a photo between a P&S and a dSLR. About the only difference is the dSLR does not have power zoom, and that's a plus.

The dSLR will almost always deliver a better photo due to the larger sensor, faster focusing, and faster shutter response. If the size and weight are not issues then I see little reason to stay with a P&S.
 
Well if they're looking for a $500 solution with a similar zoom range as their S5, a DSLR isn't going to cut it! Some folks just like the convenience of a superzoom camera, and DSLRs cannot imitate the range of one with a single, small lens. While I agree with you that a DSLR is the better tool in capabilities and image quality, as well as control, I'd say if they're truly just looking for something fairly compact with big zoom range, the afformentioned Canon SX30, or the upcoming Sony HX100V, the newest of the Panasonic FZ series, or the Nikon P-series ultrazooms would all probably be worthwhile choices to consider for bulky but compact, big-zoom cameras at around $500 or under.
 

Well if they're looking for a $500 solution with a similar zoom range as their S5, a DSLR isn't going to cut it! Some folks just like the convenience of a superzoom camera, and DSLRs cannot imitate the range of one with a single, small lens. While I agree with you that a DSLR is the better tool in capabilities and image quality, as well as control, I'd say if they're truly just looking for something fairly compact with big zoom range, the afformentioned Canon SX30, or the upcoming Sony HX100V, the newest of the Panasonic FZ series, or the Nikon P-series ultrazooms would all probably be worthwhile choices to consider for bulky but compact, big-zoom cameras at around $500 or under.

Thank you so much! I had ran across the SX30 in my research, but it's getting some bad reviews about pictures in the auto mode.



I was perfectly happy with our S5 IS until it died :( Not everyone wants to take the time to learn DSLR or can invest in lenses. I've played with many friends DSLRs, and while I think I would love them, I just don't feel photography is enough of a hobby for me to justify the expense of a DSLR.
 
Thank you so much! I had ran across the SX30 in my research, but it's getting some bad reviews about pictures in the auto mode.



I was perfectly happy with our S5 IS until it died :( Not everyone wants to take the time to learn DSLR or can invest in lenses. I've played with many friends DSLRs, and while I think I would love them, I just don't feel photography is enough of a hobby for me to justify the expense of a DSLR.

At Adorama you can get the Nikon D3000(refurb) and a Sigma 18mm - 200mm for $550.

Not the greatest DSLR or lens... but IMO they beat any point and shoot in every single area except compactness. So it meets all of the criteria in your OP, except the no DSLR part:laughing:
 
I had the same problem last year. I also said no DSLR, but other disers convinced me to get one! I am so glad I listened to them! The quality of my pictures are much better, you can take more pictures faster, and it is not hard to use on auto or P mode. These are just a few benefits of having a DSLR. I am mad at myself for wasting money on 3 point and shoots when I could have bought a DSLR from the start. I was also not very interested in Photography untill I bought my Pentax.

Adorama has the Pentax K-X for $499. http://www.adorama.com/IPXKXWK1.html This is the camera I have and I love it. I know others on the boards have it to. It is also rated one the best dSLRs http://www.consumersearch.com/digit...CuRUw&ef_id=yERNWcwVzHcAAANN:20110301033248:s
 
Canon SX30 IS

Keep in mind many of the things you mentioned are user error type things. The camera won't automatically be able to fix some of them for you.

I just had this camera and worked with it for 4 weeks daily before I sent it back. The low light photo ability is terrible. Too much noise, many of my photos had ghosting. If I was in a cold area, they had fog, or were out of focus.

THe only pictures that came out real nice, detailed, and sharp: on a sunny warm day outside.
Anything inside, evening, dim area was usless.
This camera was an upgrade from my Kodak Z812, which I did not pay but $189 for, but never left me down.

I am torn between waiting for the new Kodak max being released on March 9th with a 30x zoom, and great low light ability.

I like you need the viewfinder. I was going to replace the Sx30 with the Canon G 12, which is only a 10 mg. but boost in a processor, but only has a 5x zoom. I want something with more zoom.
Which was the only plus on the canon sx30.

My son is going to get the dslr as that is his thing. Me I need a good camera clear pictures and low light ability, not disability.

This would be my 3rd workhorse Kodak. I have a Sony cyber shot dsm350 but no viewfinder or zoom. I had a heck of a time all week in the outdoors taking pictures for work. But they turned out great.

The only complaint for the Kodak Max is the AA rechargable, but I guess keeping spares on hand is the option. I have tons from my dd Kodak P n S.
 
I just had this camera and worked with it for 4 weeks daily before I sent it back. The low light photo ability is terrible. Too much noise, many of my photos had ghosting. If I was in a cold area, they had fog, or were out of focus.

Not to discourage you, but that all sounds like user error and not the camera. The low light capabilities of almost all p&s cameras is about the same, which is not that good. This is where taking control of your camera and getting out of auto is the only way you are going to consistently get what you want. The ghosting is probably because the super zoom cameras have a larger piece of glass on the front and it is getting unwanted light hitting it. The only thing to fix that is a lens hood. If they are foggy in a cold area, you didn't let the camera adjust to the temp long enough before trying to use it. Again, the larger the glass up front, the worse this effect is. Basically, that new Kodak you are looking at is not likely to be one bit better than the Canon you sent back.
 
1. Cannot be a DSLR. DH will also use the camera and he will not want something that is not a point and shoot.

2. I take a lot of sports pictures, mostly soccer:
Little shutter lag
No blur on movement
Good zoom
to see across the field
"This does not compute, Will Robinson!"

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Not to discourage you, but that all sounds like user error and not the camera. The low light capabilities of almost all p&s cameras is about the same, which is not that good. This is where taking control of your camera and getting out of auto is the only way you are going to consistently get what you want. The ghosting is probably because the super zoom cameras have a larger piece of glass on the front and it is getting unwanted light hitting it. The only thing to fix that is a lens hood. If they are foggy in a cold area, you didn't let the camera adjust to the temp long enough before trying to use it. Again, the larger the glass up front, the worse this effect is. Basically, that new Kodak you are looking at is not likely to be one bit better than the Canon you sent back.
I agree, and to expand on the bolded if I may (in my own way of explaining, which may not be 100% technically correct, but will hopefully get the main gist across; this is what helped me understand the concept myself) - the whole issue with point and shoot cameras is that the sensor (the little information center that gathers all the digital information of the picture) is quite small, in general. (Much, much smaller than 35mm film used to be, as an example - see chart below.)

In the early days of digital cameras, when they had 1MP, 2MP, 3MP sensors, there was a fairly good amount of space on the sensor to hold all the information. But then more megapixels came along, and things began crowding a bit there on the small sensors. Cameras that had 5 to 6MP were just about right, however - enough to gather and interpret the information needed, but not too much.

Then someone decided that even more megapixels would be a good idea, and this idea was sold to the general public who didn't really know or care much about sensors or the technicalities of how it all worked, really; they just wanted great images with a convenient vehicle to get them. But what happened was that image quality began to suffer a bit as megapixels went up, because basically too much information was being crammed into a tiny little sensor. Information overload, if you will. 12MP, 13MP is an awful lot to put on a tiny sensor.

So point and shoot cameras, with their tiny sensors, are essentially incapable of doing all of the types of things that people want them to do in every situation, but particularly those in low light and movement settings and especially when being used by everyday users (as opposed to those skilled in photography, who know other tricks to tweak out some usable images).

OTOH, dSLRs have much larger sensors. See graph here (point and shoot sensors are the tiny ones on the bottom):

300px-SensorSizes.svg.png


So when people come on here asking for advice about finding the perfect camera, but then putting severe limits on what they're willing to buy (such as price or type of camera), it becomes kind of hard for people to explain simply the differences between a point and shoot/bridge, or dSLR. I don't think it's that people are trying to talk anyone into anything, I think they're just trying to say that, when given the types of images they're looking to get, they're inevitably going to be disappointed with almost whatever point and shoot they're going to buy (possibly with a few exceptions), or, put another way, anything less than (the sensor of) a dSLR.

Of course, one way images can be improved with a point and shoot, is to learn aspects of photography, or the concept of exposure, basically, as that will allow a user to capture the best images possible on whatever point and shoot camera they do buy. But most buyers here say that's not something they have time or inclination to do, so again, it's tough. :confused3

With all that said, having a dSLR is not a "magic bullet" either. Sure, the sensor's bigger, but one must generally learn how to use it in order to get decent images, which is why people say that often the reports of poor image quality with a dSLR can be attributed to user error.

And to add one more category to the equation, there are now "mirrorless dSLRs" that have the same sensors as dSLRs but come in a small package to make them easier to carry around, the caveat being that they still have interchangable lenses and the kit lenses probably still won't be "fast" enough (ie let enough light in) in low light situations to yield completely perfect images, either (which can also be said of dSLR kit lenses as well).

So much to consider, but hopefully this helped anyone trying to decide what to buy or trying to figure out why their images aren't great, whatever camera they use. popcorn::
 
One more thing, Chelly. I have an S3IS and I always loved it, too. (It is a great camera! :goodvibes ) Mine broke last year after getting banged around for several years in my pocketbook since I liked to keep it with me at all times as a point and shoot. My solution was to just buy a new S3IS (used, actually, but new condition - of course, now I have an iPhone that takes decent quick pics and video so I really don't take the S3 out with me anymore). I remember when it's predecessor, the S5IS came out, there were many reports that image quality had gone down a bit from the S3. (I don't know enough about the subject to comment on it here, but we had a long running S3/S5IS thread here for years and some of the users who had both had commented on it.) So you could always consider buying another S3IS if that worked for you!
 
I just had this camera and worked with it for 4 weeks daily before I sent it back. The low light photo ability is terrible. Too much noise, many of my photos had ghosting. If I was in a cold area, they had fog, or were out of focus.

THe only pictures that came out real nice, detailed, and sharp: on a sunny warm day outside.
Anything inside, evening, dim area was usless.
This camera was an upgrade from my Kodak Z812, which I did not pay but $189 for, but never left me down.

I am torn between waiting for the new Kodak max being released on March 9th with a 30x zoom, and great low light ability.

I like you need the viewfinder. I was going to replace the Sx30 with the Canon G 12, which is only a 10 mg. but boost in a processor, but only has a 5x zoom. I want something with more zoom.
Which was the only plus on the canon sx30.

My son is going to get the dslr as that is his thing. Me I need a good camera clear pictures and low light ability, not disability.

This would be my 3rd workhorse Kodak. I have a Sony cyber shot dsm350 but no viewfinder or zoom. I had a heck of a time all week in the outdoors taking pictures for work. But they turned out great.

The only complaint for the Kodak Max is the AA rechargable, but I guess keeping spares on hand is the option. I have tons from my dd Kodak P n S.
Just doing a little research on the two models you mentioned.

Canon SX30 = 14.1-megapixel 1/2.3-inch type CCD sensor

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Kodak Z812 = 8.2MP 1/2.5 in. CCD sensor

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However, the Canon gets mostly favorable reviews (and here), so it must indeed be capable of taking good images. This, IMO, infers that more knowledge on user's parts will yield better results.

Truly, more knowledge is almost always a good thing in photography.

Understanding Exposure
 
If you're willing to entertain the used market, you could get into a Nikon D60 or D70S outfit (including lens) for less than your $500 pricetag and even being a few years old, will still take better pictures than most brand new point&shoots. For $50 more than your budget allows you can get into the great little D3100 with a kit lens. Also as mentioned, though I'm personally not a fan, Samsung, Panasonic, Olympus, etc all offer mirrorless micro4/3 systems that will fall in right around your budget.

And all of the above can be considered "point and shoot", they all have a "Program" or Auto mode.
 
Not to discourage you, but that all sounds like user error and not the camera. The low light capabilities of almost all p&s cameras is about the same, which is not that good. This is where taking control of your camera and getting out of auto is the only way you are going to consistently get what you want. The ghosting is probably because the super zoom cameras have a larger piece of glass on the front and it is getting unwanted light hitting it. The only thing to fix that is a lens hood. If they are foggy in a cold area, you didn't let the camera adjust to the temp long enough before trying to use it. Again, the larger the glass up front, the worse this effect is.

Basically, that new Kodak you are looking at is not likely to be one bit better than the Canon you sent back.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps it was being use to the limited 12x zoom of the previous Kodak, vs the let down of the Canon sx30 almost triple the zoom glass.

That was a thought I had about the new Kodak MAX, the huge zoom glass is the real issue.Thus the same problems I had with the Canon sx30.

Franky I was in HH Gregg looking and holding and liked the feel of the Sony A 5. THe only down falls were; no viewfinder, & being a DSLR using anything but a button to push for a photo will be an adjustment.

With my disabilities the weight is great w/o going to a full size DSLR. I did wonder though:
The weight to the AS33 or AS55 With a viewfinder compared to the Sony A 5

Is there an Ability to get more zoom, or wide angle?

Any thoughts to go that route?
:surfweb:
 
The ghosting is probably because the super zoom cameras have a larger piece of glass on the front and it is getting unwanted light hitting it. The only thing to fix that is a lens hood. .

The Sx30 comes with a lens hood.


We went with the SX20. I found it on clearance at CompUSA for $250, which left me enough to get a D10 for underwater use/snorkeling trips. I like that it uses AA batteries and it actually had better reviews than the SX30.

I haven't had a ton of time to play with the SX20, but I sat on my porch yesterday and took pictures of cars going down the road that leads into our neighborhood (which is a football field away) and got enough zoom on it after playing with the ISO to be able to see the person in the car in the picture without any blur. I think it's going to be fine for what I need it to do for the price.

I appreciate all the comments on buying a DSLR, but I know that it's just not for me. I don't have money to invest in lenses or the time to learn all about aperture and things, so I would feel like it would have been a waste for us. I'm a lazy photographer :laughing:
 

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