Wage rules lifted

[mickeyfan2]

Free lunchs? Where did that come from? I never ever had a free lunch in school. Where do you think thats coming from?

In the USA we have free lunch programs at our schools. Maybe they don't have this in Canada.

I was doing a US citizen (as the ones in NOLA are). I cannot compare that with Canada.

My sister gets $200 a month for her son from child tax credit. At $1400 a month, that puts her wage at $1600. BEFORE deductions. Now, let's do the math....

For Canada I am not disputing your numbers. BTW doesn't Canada have child support payments from the biological dad?

I really don't think you know what your talking about. I don't think you've had to struggle to make ends meet. It can be done yes, but doing it for years and years on end? Lets see YOU live that way.

Yes I do and I am not a single mother who lives in Canada.

Your sister may have gotten money in her divorce settlement but my sister gets NOTHING from her ex because he's a druggie thats been in and out of rehab at least three times, and is forced by the gvt to have weekly drug tests to protect her child. My brother in law is a slimeball that hasn't been able to keep a job at any place more than three weeks in his life.

Why so hostile. I have nothing to do with your sister's situation.
First of all it was not my sister but a close girlfriend. Second her ex was an abusive alcoholic with no net worth. She got the job and with the help of our state got the house. The deal with the state is that they own part a % of the home. That % goes down over a 10 year period. After 10 years it is 0%. All the state does is secure you the loan, you make all of the payments.

Your sister doesn't have it so bad. Your sister doesn't know what poverty is. I don't mean that to be offensive but when you have to crawl through the window in your sisters car to get to the drivers seat because if you open the door you can't close it because she can't afford to have it fixed...

So she has a car. I am not disputing how poor your sister is. This is not a competition that I would want to win. My sister, who lives on less than your sister (and she has never been married) has it as hard as your sister. So don't tell me. It maybe easier for her, since her big sister helps when it gets really bad. But what are big sisters for?

When YOU have to do that, THEN you can talk to me about poverty.

So stop talking albout poverty.

Oh and my sisters tax refund for last year was $150. Our tax refund is based on how much we make during the year. Not on what you need.

My friends tax refund is based on tax credits her in the US. Again we cannot compare this with Canada.

Gods, I wish I received $23000 a year. I and many others can only dream.

Last year, I made $1300 a month. With deductions, that came to about $14000 a year. Thats $10 000 below poverty level in my country. After all of my bills, I barely had enough to live on with about $100 a month left over for something fun.

This year I will make about $1700 a month. That's about $20 000 a year. Thats the first time I've ever even seen that much money. When I got the job, I almost cried. I spent alot of money to get here and alot in student loans.

If I can barely make it on $14 000 a year, what makes you think that a sigle mother with a child can make it for years on that kind of wage?.

I wish you and your sister all of the best. As I said this is comparing two different countries and that will never be a valid comparison.

Yes, its possible. But if you have lived this kind of life in abject poverty... if you have, if your parents have, if your grandparents have...
How easy do you think it is to get out?

Yes my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents all lived in abject poverty. I did get out of it and am working to bring my sister out of it too. Not easy but and some of my cousins are living proof.

I've gone a week without ANYTHING in my stomach. I know what starving is.

In my town we have a rescue mission that serves two meals a day and provides housing to anybody who needs it. I donate to them. If you lived in my country you could have eaten there and not gone without food for a week. Maybe we have more umbrellas here than in Canada. I always thought that Canada had more programs for the poor than us. Was I wrong?

 

[BuckNaked]

Is that the new rule, and just as an aside, the new strawman argument? You only get back what you paid? Is that how it works? Is there a book somewhere?

Nope, it's not the rule at all, nor should it be, as I've said previously. You can stop putting words in my mouth anytime now.

But when someone says that people are owed something because "they're taxpayers, too", it should be pointed out that many times, they aren't. We shouldn't pretend that everyone in this country contributes equally, because that notion is patently false.

 

[toto2]

I don't know if Canada is like the U.S. in this respect, but here they don't have to justify it. If a store, etc., doesn't want unions, they can simply close their doors if employees choose unionization.

I dont know in other provinces , but here in Québec, it is againt the law to forbid unions. It is a civil right. Walmart , suddenlly said that the store was not making any money ( but planned to open another one 10km from the closed one !) Any , this shouldnt be about Walmart , but labor laws . I stop highjacking the thread !

And , yes Totalia , there is not lot of us , so imagine a french speaking one !

 

[BuckNaked]

I dont know in other provinces , but here in Québec, it is againt the law to forbid unions.

It's the same way here - a company can't stop employees from forming or joining a union. But once the employees unionize, no company is under any legal obligation to continue operation. They can shut down and move elsewhere. The basic idea is that the government can't force a company to stay in business if they don't want to.

 

[toto2]

In my town we have a rescue mission that serves two meals a day and provides housing to anybody who needs it. I donate to them. If you lived in my country you could have eaten there and not gone without food for a week. Maybe we have more umbrellas here than in Canada. I always thought that Canada had more programs for the poor than us. Was I wrong?

There are all types of programs here too , and it can be different from one province to the other. I dont know Totalia situation so I wont assume anything. But one thing for sure , you have to ask for the help . Like any country , we do have people livung in abject poverty , as much as we would want to think that our social systhem is working perfectly ( no political systhem works perfectly , unfortunatly) I dont know if we have more , or the same amout of programs , but since we do have free healthcare , , at leat there is no program for the poor for that. But we do have a lot of programm , both Nathional , provincial and municipal. But , like everywhere , you have to go get it , and for many reasons ( pride , information , Isolation ,) some people get lost in the cracks of the systhem

 

[toto2]

And just to anwser a few other questions : , yes , biological fathers must pay child support , but the problem his to have them pay it ( i guess some dad are the same everywhere.) In my province , a father can be force to have the amount taken at the source ( like a deduction ) from the paycheck.

In every societies , some people fall through the holes in the net. I think that one of the things that shocked a lot of people within the USA and in the rest of the world with the Katrina catastrophe was to see so much poverty in a country that is considerd so rich and that view itself so rich.


Honestly , I dont know in wich coutry I would want to be poor ( i none of them obviously) but given the choice , I would probably take Canada...

 

[ThAnswr]

And just to anwser a few other questions : , yes , biological fathers must pay child support , but the problem his to have them pay it ( i guess some dad are the same everywhere.) In my province , a father can be force to have the amount taken at the source ( like a deduction ) from the paycheck.

In every societies , some people fall through the holes in the net. I think that one of the things that shocked a lot of people within the USA and in the rest of the world with the Katrina catastrophe was to see so much poverty in a country that is considerd so rich and that view itself so rich.


Honestly , I dont know in wich coutry I would want to be poor ( i none of them obviously) but given the choice , I would probably take Canada...

It should've shocked and shamed people in the US, but as you can tell, some were shocked and others have no shame.

 

[totalia]

How are you going to get child support payments from a druggie that hasnt had a job for more than three weeks in his life?

In the last six months, he's changed jobs 4 times and been out of work for a month while he went BACK to rehab again.

Yes, we have child support. But you can't get child support from someone like him. I'm so mad at some of the people on here, I'm not going to post anymore on this subject.

 

[Charade]

It should've shocked and shamed people in the US, but as you can tell, some were shocked and others have no shame.

Shocked, yes. Shamed? Why? With all the government sponsored programs the libs love so dearly one should be shocked that they don't seem to work as well as they thought. So what is the solution since years and years of pouring more and more money into those programs didn't seem to make a dent in the level of people at or below the poverty level.

 

[bsnyder]

Shocked, yes. Shamed? Why? With all the government sponsored programs the libs love so dearly one should be shocked that they don't seem to work as well as they thought. So what is the solution since years and years of pouring more and more money into those programs didn't seem to make a dent in the level of people at or below the poverty level.

Not to mention, in New Orleans they've had all those politicians who really believe in government. That doesn't seem to have made a difference either.

 

[seashoreCM]

I did not read all the replies so this may be redundant.

The "prevailing wage" determined under the Davis-Bacon act is frequently much higher than the "prevailing wage" in the community. Typically the "prevailing wage" as determined is the union scale in the nearest large city which could be a hundred miles away.

There are then disparities where a construction company doing a federally funded project might be paying twice the wages to some of its workers as paid to paid to other workers for the same construction company doing similar work next door on a non-federal project.

In some states with "right to work" laws there are areas where the "prevailing wage" as determined is the federal minimum wage.

The Davis Bacon act was originally passed to prevent construction companies from busing in their own lower paid workers so as to reduce employment opportunities for union and higher paid workers living locally. In the situation we have on the Gulf Coast, there are many areas where all the people have evacuated and construction companies have to bus in workers anyway.

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