Wage rules lifted

peachgirl said:
$25 an hour in LA 13 years ago? Wow...

Actually, no I don't have the link. I just did a seach and found a website discussing the Davis-Bacon requirements and just happened to have prevailing constructions job wages for LA.

If I can find it again, I'll post it.

Here is a link to the latest Davis Bacon Wage Decision for Orleans county (I am assuming that NOLA is in Orleans county - could be wrong.) Nothing even close to the $9 you quoted.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=Davis-Bacon&docid=LA20030014
 
jgmklmhem said:
I and my family of four lived off of less than 20,000 a year when I was in graduate school. The only thing the govt gave us was the cheap insurance on the kids from FL and the EIC and of course paid no taxes. It can be done and done well. As you can see during that time we went to WDW quite a few times (1999-2004). I think some of you cannot imagine living off of so little
but I have done it and while not great is actually quite easy to manage. Yes you have to shop at the evil Wal-Mart and buy stuff second hand (clothes,cars,toys etc), but again we did and still went to WDW a few times. Heck just because of my situation I am still making less than $30,000 and we are doing just fine. So if you budget correctly and watch your money well it isn't as hard as the media and you guys make it out to be.


This is great news. I am glad that you did it and are still able to visit WDW.
 
Wow , I am learning a lot about working in the USA. Very interesting.


Just to comment on a few thing: her in Quebec , you just do get an electrician ( or plummer oe anytrade) license just by asking for it. You go to scholl, you become an apprentice , then you get the licence. The is no law that states , if you are in this erea , and are an electrician , if you do governement work , you will be paid such and such. We have minimum wage wich is the same for everyone , with mandatory vacations and such and such. If you are hire by a unionized company (or by the governement ) you have a job cathegory with a minimum and maximum to be paid , and you get raise according to this scale) If you are hired by a non-union company , then , you decide if you accept or not what is being offerd to you. So again , you just dond decide that you are a electrician or plummer like that.

So our mutual ways of dealing with the work force seem a bit differrent , and maybe that is why I dont understand all those things about the US systhem.

I still think that minimum wage is a good thing , that it is essential. We are not ( in Canada or the USA) in a society of lawyers , docters and bankers alone . We do need those , electricians , plummers and carpenters. And they usaually not hired of the streets. A serious company will want them to be skilled at what they do. And being a specialist in anything has a price.

( PS: A walmart worked , qualified "unskilled" should be paid more than they do just because of theire working conditions: dealing with us custumers all day , not enough employes by stores etc. That is why , a minimum wage is important. Companies are in the business of making money , not paying employes . The less they can pay the better for them ( I know , I am making broad generalizations here)

Again , for me , this msituation is just opening a door to maybe something else.
 

N.Bailey said:
IMO, it only encourages illegal aliens.

I was so hoping that many of the displaced would be able to find work rebuilding their town. This is just so sad. I can't begin to express how angry I am right now.

That would make sense to the average individual, but not to this administration.
 
toto2 said:
Just to comment on a few thing: her in Quebec , you just do get an electrician ( or plummer oe anytrade) license just by asking for it. You go to scholl, you become an apprentice , then you get the licence.

This is how it is in the US. You work your way up the union and earn more as you go. Take carpentry. You start out stacking lumber and doing gopher work, then advance eventually arriving at a master carpenter position. The advancement is based on ability, years and work ethic.
 
toto2 said:
Wow , I am learning a lot about working in the USA. Very interesting.


Just to comment on a few thing: her in Quebec , you just do get an electrician ( or plummer oe anytrade) license just by asking for it. You go to scholl, you become an apprentice , then you get the licence. The is no law that states , if you are in this erea , and are an electrician , if you do governement work , you will be paid such and such. We have minimum wage wich is the same for everyone , with mandatory vacations and such and such. If you are hire by a unionized company (or by the governement ) you have a job cathegory with a minimum and maximum to be paid , and you get raise according to this scale) If you are hired by a non-union company , then , you decide if you accept or not what is being offerd to you. So again , you just dond decide that you are a electrician or plummer like that.

So our mutual ways of dealing with the work force seem a bit differrent , and maybe that is why I dont understand all those things about the US systhem.

I still think that minimum wage is a good thing , that it is essential. We are not ( in Canada or the USA) in a society of lawyers , docters and bankers alone . We do need those , electricians , plummers and carpenters. And they usaually not hired of the streets. A serious company will want them to be skilled at what they do. And being a specialist in anything has a price.

( PS: A walmart worked , qualified "unskilled" should be paid more than they do just because of theire working conditions: dealing with us custumers all day , not enough employes by stores etc. That is why , a minimum wage is important. Companies are in the business of making money , not paying employes . The less they can pay the better for them ( I know , I am making broad generalizations here)

Again , for me , this msituation is just opening a door to maybe something else.

There are schooling and apprenticeship requirements here, too....but, under the prevailing wage rule, someone with 1 day experience is paid the same as someone with 10 years experience....someone who has been written up for being late, for example, is given the same raise as someone who works their tail off. It's not set up as a system where hard work and experience is rewarded.

As a lawyer married to an electrician, I get a lot of people shocked to learn DH earns more than I do. Lawyers can be such snobs...imagine someone NOT a lawyer or a doctor or an investment banker making more money than they do! There was a lawyer I knew who was offered a job at $30,000. They were offended and I can't say I blame them, I wouldn't have taken it either. But, their comment was, "You'd think I showed up there with a tool belt on!" Excuse me?! Snob.

That's interesting that Canada has unions...I never knew that. Is the minimum wage the same for union and non-union? Here, non-union contractors (like my DH) still make the prevailing wage on state and federal jobs. The union guys don't like that very much....in fact, DH has had his office-trailer set on fire by some angry union electricians. :earseek:
 
Why would you want to limit the number of workers returning to work?
Think about what your saying here.
Prevailing wage has hampered job growth and productivity for over 75 years. It originally was written to keep black workers from replacing white workers.
it was a bad law then and a bad law now.
 
toto2 said:
I stopped reading after page 5 to anwser a few thing , in no particular order. A lot of things are feelings , so we can discuss about it.


I often see the US governement talking about familly vcalues , and the importance of famiily , and taking care of children. I even read those type of things here in the DIS.

Then I read , here that it is allright to let go of some of the protections some workers have to receive a wage that would provide the strict minimum ( or even less in some case). I read : they can take some part time jobs over that , and have the second adult in that familly work as well , maybe a second job too , in order to provide the minimum to there familly. I am sure these people will have a fine familly lfe and take exellent care of there childreen. This is the ultimate anti-familly value that is being promoted here.

Family values is just more campaign bull****.

toto2 said:
My second impression is that a lot ( again read it often here on the dis) of people would do away with minimum wage. A lot of big companies are only waiting for the governement to do something like that , and the current administration is very , very close to a lot of these companies. This event is opening the door to that. The rule of the market is not always the solution to all and every problems our societies face. This is the beguining of the Walmartization of the workforce in the USA.

THe Republicans have been fighting minimum wage since the 1930's. No great surprise at this latest move as it is who the Republicans are. The myth the Republicans have operating on is that if you drive wages low enough, it will free up money to invest. Of course what the hell these companies would be investing in is open to question because the fact of the matter is people need money to buy a product and subsistance wages just won't do it.

To listen to some of these Republicans, you might as well eliminate wages all together so companies will have lots of money to invest.

Btw, this is a consumer driven economy and not a business investment economy. Just watch this economy tank when people have to start paying home heating bills.
 
AllyandJack said:
That's interesting that Canada has unions...I never knew that. Is the minimum wage the same for union and non-union? Here, non-union contractors (like my DH) still make the prevailing wage on state and federal jobs. The union guys don't like that very much....in fact, DH has had his office-trailer set on fire by some angry union electricians. :earseek:

Japan's workers are predominantly unionized.
 
ThAnswr said:
Family values is just more campaign bull****.



THe Republicans have been fighting minimum wage since the 1930's. No great surprise at this latest move as it is who the Republicans are. The myth the Republicans have operating on is that if you drive wages low enough, it will free up money to invest. Of course what the hell these companies would be investing in is open to question because the fact of the matter is people need money to buy a product and subsistance wages just won't do it.

To listen to some of these Republicans, you might as well eliminate wages all together so companies will have lots of money to invest.

Btw, this is a consumer driven economy and not a business investment economy. Just watch this economy tank when people have to start paying home heating bills.

No,
you're wrong.
What we are talking about here is simple economics, not 'republicans'
The real "prevailing wage" is set by the law of free exchange. If you don't pay enough, no one will work for you. Demand too much, and you won't get much construction work. Supply and demand make sure people are paid a wage that's most efficient for the most people.
 
mickeyfan2 said:
This is how it is in the US. You work your way up the union and earn more as you go. Take carpentry. You start out stacking lumber and doing gopher work, then advance eventually arriving at a master carpenter position. The advancement is based on ability, years and work ethic.

And then there's reality in these here United States.

The master carpenter is out on his/her *** because the employer hires illegal aliens to do the job, at a quarter of the price, and do so with impunity because no one in this federal government is going to enforce the law.

That's reality.
 
shrubber said:
No,
you're wrong.
What we are talking about here is simple economics, not 'republicans'
The real "prevailing wage" is set by the law of free exchange. If you don't pay enough, no one will work for you. Demand too much, and you won't get much construction work. Supply and demand make sure people are paid a wage that's most efficient for the most people.

No you're talking about Republican economics aka "trickle-down" economics.

The fact is, there's more than enough incentive, via illegals, to not pay people a decent wage and do so without fear of being prosecuted by your government.
 
ThAnswr said:
Japan's workers are predominantly unionized.

I don't know much about Japan. I think the reason I was surprised about Canada is that they have a national healthcare system. In my mind, the union's purpose was to get decent pay and benefits for it's employees - a purpose it served well and then, at least in MA, took to insane extremes of thuggery. With the national system in Canada, what's to negotiate? What do union members get that non-union employees sometimes don't in Canada? That's why I asked if there was a different minimum wage for union workers....in which case, they also have a prevailing wage.

Interesting.
 
ThAnswr said:
No you're talking about Republican economics aka "trickle-down" economics.

The fact is, there's more than enough incentive, via illegals, to not pay people a decent wage and do so without fear of being prosecuted by your government.

Are you talking about a forced minimum wage or about illegal immigration or both?
Both of which have simple, factual answers without polarizing them into "republican myths "
 
AllyandJack said:
That's interesting that Canada has unions...I never knew that. Is the minimum wage the same for union and non-union? Here, non-union contractors (like my DH) still make the prevailing wage on state and federal jobs. The union guys don't like that very much....in fact, DH has had his office-trailer set on fire by some angry union electricians. :earseek:


Of course we have unions !

The minimum wage is the same for everyone.

We dont talk about minimum union wage ( Now , i know I am going to fumble with my english :) )

A job enters in a cathegory ( skilled , unskilled , professional , office clerk etc) and within these cathegories , you have a scale and move on that scale according to some factors ( performance etc) I am familliar more with with collar jobs that with blue collar ones since I work for a governement publishing company.

Right now , we do have a lot of stikes from teachers union, and daycare unions workers , and all the Quebec governement workers are in negociation for a new work countract.

Our labour laws are directed to the non-union workers , to try to protect those who work in less "skilled" type of work ( to make sure they get a "decent" salary , have decent vacations , and decent work conditions ( ïe: hours worked , pauses etc are all in the law) We you are union , you get usually better that what the law considers the minimum ( we get 3 weeks paid vacations , overtime pay after 7 hours worked , 1 paid year maternity leave ( paid as unenployement by the governement , this everybody gets, not just union) )with possibility of taking a second one without pay...etc etc etc.


Skip this next little section if you are not interested of how the minimum wage works in another country ! :teeth:


Just to continue about our minimum wage :FRom the Quebec governement website:

The minimum wage is set by the Government of Québec. However, it is the Commission des normes du travail which supervises the application thereof and which receives complaints concerning the minimum wage.

No benefit having pecuniary value (automobile, accommodations, etc. supplied by the employer) may result in the employee receiving less than the minimum wage.

Date / General rate /Employees receiving tips rate/Employees in the clothing i

$7,60 $6,85 $8,10



Who is entitled to the minimum wage?

Employees who are subject to the Act respecting Labour Standards are entitled to the minimum wage set by the Québec government.

Some employees subject to the Act respecting Labour Standards are nonetheless excluded from the application of the minimum wage. They are:

1º a student employed in a social or community non-profit organization such as a vacation camp or a recreational organization;
2º a trainee under a program of vocational training recognized by law;
3º a trainee under a program of vocational integration provided for under section 61 of the Act to secure the handicapped in the exercise of their rights;
4º an employee entirely on commission who works in a commercial undertaking outside the establishment and whose working hours cannot be controlled;
5º an employee assigned mainly to non-mechanized operations relating to the picking of processing vegetables.


Part-time workers and wages

No employer may remunerate an employee at a lower rate of wage than that granted to other employees performing the same tasks in the same establishment for the sole reason that the employee usually works less hours each week.

Employees earning twice the minimum wage are however excluded from this provision.

Haut de page

Differences in treatment

No employer may grant an employee subject to the Act respecting Labour Standards conditions of employment that are less advantageous than those granted to other employees who perform the same tasks in the same establishment for the sole reason of his date of hiring. These conditions of employment concern in particular:

1º wages;
2º the duration of work;
3º paid statutory holidays;
4º annual leaves;
5º rest periods;
6º absences and leaves for family or parental matters;
7º notice of termination of employment.
 
AllyandJack said:
I don't know much about Japan. I think the reason I was surprised about Canada is that they have a national healthcare system. In my mind, the union's purpose was to get decent pay and benefits for it's employees - a purpose it served well and then, at least in MA, took to insane extremes of thuggery. With the national system in Canada, what's to negotiate? What do union members get that non-union employees sometimes don't in Canada? That's why I asked if there was a different minimum wage for union workers....in which case, they also have a prevailing wage.

Interesting.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but the Japanese have a national healthcare system and the highest life expectancy in the world. As a matter of fact, we're about the only industrialized nation that doesn't have a national health care system.

I take that back.......Algeria has a national health care system. And we don't and that's saying something.
 
toto2 said:
Of course we have unions !

The minimum wage is the same for everyone.

We dont talk about minimum union wage ( Now , i know I am going to fumble with my english :) )

A job enters in a cathegory ( skilled , unskilled , professional , office clerk etc) and within these cathegories , you have a scale and move on that scale according to some factors ( performance etc) I am familliar more with with collar jobs that with blue collar ones since I work for a governement publishing company.

Right now , we do have a lot of stikes from teachers union, and daycare unions workers , and all the Quebec governement workers are in negociation for a new work countract.

Our labour laws are directed to the non-union workers , to try to protect those who work in less "skilled" type of work ( to make sure they get a "decent" salary , have decent vacations , and decent work conditions ( ïe: hours worked , pauses etc are all in the law) We you are union , you get usually better that what the law considers the minimum ( we get 3 weeks paid vacations , overtime pay after 7 hours worked , 1 paid year maternity leave ( paid as unenployement by the governement , this everybody gets, not just union) )with possibility of taking a second one without pay...etc etc etc.


Skip this next little section if you are not interested of how the minimum wage works in another country ! :teeth:


Just to continue about our minimum wage :FRom the Quebec governement website:

The minimum wage is set by the Government of Québec. However, it is the Commission des normes du travail which supervises the application thereof and which receives complaints concerning the minimum wage.

No benefit having pecuniary value (automobile, accommodations, etc. supplied by the employer) may result in the employee receiving less than the minimum wage.

Date / General rate /Employees receiving tips rate/Employees in the clothing i

$7,60 $6,85 $8,10



Who is entitled to the minimum wage?

Employees who are subject to the Act respecting Labour Standards are entitled to the minimum wage set by the Québec government.

Some employees subject to the Act respecting Labour Standards are nonetheless excluded from the application of the minimum wage. They are:

1º a student employed in a social or community non-profit organization such as a vacation camp or a recreational organization;
2º a trainee under a program of vocational training recognized by law;
3º a trainee under a program of vocational integration provided for under section 61 of the Act to secure the handicapped in the exercise of their rights;
4º an employee entirely on commission who works in a commercial undertaking outside the establishment and whose working hours cannot be controlled;
5º an employee assigned mainly to non-mechanized operations relating to the picking of processing vegetables.


Part-time workers and wages

No employer may remunerate an employee at a lower rate of wage than that granted to other employees performing the same tasks in the same establishment for the sole reason that the employee usually works less hours each week.

Employees earning twice the minimum wage are however excluded from this provision.

Haut de page

Differences in treatment

No employer may grant an employee subject to the Act respecting Labour Standards conditions of employment that are less advantageous than those granted to other employees who perform the same tasks in the same establishment for the sole reason of his date of hiring. These conditions of employment concern in particular:

1º wages;
2º the duration of work;
3º paid statutory holidays;
4º annual leaves;
5º rest periods;
6º absences and leaves for family or parental matters;
7º notice of termination of employment.

So, it is sort of set up the same way. I always learn something new on here!

Down here, at least in the electrical union in MA, a big chunk of money is taken off the top. They have to pay into a fund for their vacations and holidays and sick time or they don't get those paid. So, if they want to take a week's vacation, they need to have paid in that amount to draw off of it to get paid for the vacation. I think other unions are like that, too. On DH's project there are some union contractors. Some of the other trades try to talk up the union. They're pretty amazed that DH gets fully paid health and dental and disability. DH doesn't have to pay for his own vacation or holidays or sick days. So, I guess they need the big pay rates to offset the amount coming off the top. :)

They also pay a sum for dues to pay the hot shot union lawyers. ;)
 
lil mermaid said:
Oh, I guess I skipped ahead so I didn't have to read all of your rants. Sorry!

No problem!

It's easier to put me on ignore if my posts bother you so much.

That way you wouldn't be posting thinking you'd really caught someone on something and then be disappointed because it had already been discussed and explained.

Just an fyi, always trying to help where I can!:sunny:
 


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