Flossbolna
Sea days are just so relaxing!
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Are you here during the rainy weather this week? Not as much as a couple of weeks ago, but still quite wet around here. And, yes, VWL is a gorgeous place to be anytime.We’ll be in HH next week in our other timeshare. Next April too but hoping to maybe take a few extra days and add on a few nights in DW. Maybe VWL. I so love that resort !
Yes, IKEA-style is the perfect description. Clean lines but bland. As for the vegetation and landscaping, yes, it has come a long way. Sadly (cue the tiny whine violin!), the Wilderness Lodge will never get back its true wilderness roots. It's gorgeous but more resort-like now, and I will never forgive them for taking away the nature trail (and still, currently I think, the paved bike path to FW). For a multi-billion dollar profit entity, Disney is still chintzy, very Scrooge McDuck-ish. But, the Lodge is still a beautiful place to be and to hang out, no doubt.The highlight was VWL however! My husband was really happy we got one more stay before the refurb. He hates the new “IKEA-style” (his words) of the latest refurbishments. But I think the rooms are in desperate need of a refresh, they look really worn. I spoke to a housekeeping manager in the elevator and she said it’s only a couple of months until the refurb starts.
We had a great studio: 4563. Dedicated studio, the very last one on 4th floor on the lake side. The only request I put in was “nice view”. It was a great view! Yes, if you turn right, you can see a utility area. But if you just sit and look straight it’s all nature and lake.
I have to say that I think that the Boulder Ridge pool and the cabins are starting to look better now that the vegetation is starting to grow in a bit more. I loved how they planted lots of pine trees and when you walk the paths you can smell the pine here and there. I think by 2042 the trees will finally be beautiful there again!
I liked Harmonius, and that's saying a lot coming from a big Illuminations fan, but the new one at MK(It impressed me so much, I cant remember the name ),eh.Hello groupies. Hope everyone is doing well. So how are you all feeling about the new shows? So many people are voicing negative comments about them. It is quite disappointing. Having only seen them on video I have to say they seem underwhelming but I hoping that in person they will be a lot better. I'm really sad that I never got to see Happily Ever After.
My mom and dad had that studio many years ago. It was a great view best I recall!We had a great studio: 4563. Dedicated studio, the very last one on 4th floor on the lake side. The only request I put in was “nice view”. It was a great view! Yes, if you turn right, you can see a utility area. But if you just sit and look straight it’s all nature and lake.
Love the pictures, especially the view of the front of the Lodge from parking lot, thais one makes my heart flutter. You captured the essence of WL in that one, IMOView attachment 610616
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This picture was our view.
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I am so sad about the trail. Big big mistake in removing that. We loved to take that walk. The smell of the pine trees and seeing deer was so awesome. And yeah it isn't like a lodge anymore in the rooms. Just a resort you can go to anywhere. They better never touch the lobbies.Are you here during the rainy weather this week? Not as much as a couple of weeks ago, but still quite wet around here. And, yes, VWL is a gorgeous place to be anytime.
Yes, IKEA-style is the perfect description. Clean lines but bland. As for the vegetation and landscaping, yes, it has come a long way. Sadly (cue the tiny whine violin!), the Wilderness Lodge will never get back its true wilderness roots. It's gorgeous but more resort-like now, and I will never forgive them for taking away the nature trail (and still, currently I think, the paved bike path to FW). For a multi-billion dollar profit entity, Disney is still chintzy, very Scrooge McDuck-ish. But, the Lodge is still a beautiful place to be and to hang out, no doubt.
I understand and agree about your point to give the new shows a chance in person first. Yes, the Imagineers do work hard and put thought and planning into the shows. Other CMs also put a great deal of effort into a myriad of other projects, from planning daily activities to the mundane task of stocking supply closets (yes, a lot of detail, planning, and organizing to do that). Also true, however, is that CMs are trained to be enthusiastic about pretty much any project or show or even new procedure. I mean, Disney didn't roll out the largely reviled Genie+ with a somber tone--they have shouted it from the mountaintop, extolling its virtues to all who will hear.So I had posted yesterday about the new shows. I was just watching a video from Molly and she was interviewing one of the Imagineers who worked on Harmonius. This was before it's debut. He was so excited about it and talked about all the work that he and the other people put into it. It made me feel so bad that people are talking so poorly about it. Imagine putting that much work into something and hearing people put it down. It has made me more determined to not judge the shows yet until I get to see them in person and then I'm gonna be open minded and give them a fair shot. Even if they don't wow me I at least want to appreciate all of the work that has gone into creating them.
All that to say, while I do respect and appreciate the efforts of all CMs, in the words of a Huey Lewis song, "sometimes, bad is bad."
I get that they do have to be enthusiastic and you make some good points. Could you imagine one of them coming out and saying "Yeah this show is just ok" LOLI understand and agree about your point to give the new shows a chance in person first. Yes, the Imagineers do work hard and put thought and planning into the shows. Other CMs also put a great deal of effort into a myriad of other projects, from planning daily activities to the mundane task of stocking supply closets (yes, a lot of detail, planning, and organizing to do that). Also true, however, is that CMs are trained to be enthusiastic about pretty much any project or show or even new procedure. I mean, Disney didn't roll out the largely reviled Genie+ with a somber tone--they have shouted it from the mountaintop, extolling its virtues to all who will hear.
Another case in point: Rivers of Light in AK. I know Disney put years of planning and construction into creating the new amphitheater and water show. There was a great deal of excitement about that show, and some loved it. I saw it twice and was unimpressed. Regardless, it was never a huge hit beyond the first few months. Enter the new kite show. It even sounded boring in the descriptions, and the videos of it makes me embarrassed for the Disney CMs who perform this bandaid of a show. Yet, I saw an interview with an Imagineer who was gushing over the show, about how spectacular it is, how it captured certain emotional elements of the Disney spirit, etc. All that to say, while I do respect and appreciate the efforts of all CMs, in the words of a Huey Lewis song, "sometimes, bad is bad."
Yeah I totally get that. Maybe our standards have become so high because of things like that, that no matter what they do we won't be satisfied.Its a sad thing when Imagineers put their heart and soul into these shows only to have them fail. What some feel emotionally, others dont. We watch LegoMasters on TV and each time contestants get eliminated, I tear up, Tammy and Casey, on the other hand, heart of stone. Not that that's bad, its just how things affect us differently. Our daughter, soft hearted like me, will tear up at the slightest little emotional tug. Its how we absorb things. Illuminations always, always got me and our daughter, not so much with T and C.
Im not so sure these days that Imagineers are getting the heartstrings pulling tugs they once did. Is it because we are de-sensationalized by everything being at our fingertips and we are overwhelmed mentally? Or Is it because Imagineers have the disposal of the computer age at their beckon call, which may make their job easier than before, when all the drawings were done by hand, meetings were held in collaboration, rather than emails and texts being sent back and forth? Did we lose ourselves along the way over the last 20 years or so since the internet came along and since computers entered every home and every workplace? Just thoughts to ponder.
I love, love, love coming here each day to check out what's going on with the Groupies, and couldn't do so if it weren't for the internet. So I'm thankful in that perspective for it. But I also caution myself to not get too wrapped up in the computer beyond business emails, and FB and here, which are my 3 main places to be in the compute world.
As a young man, I loved the group Styx, but cant say I was a fan of the song "Mr. Roboto", but listening to the wisdom words of Dennis DeYoung these days, the song has touched me. A line in the song says, "machines de-humanize"
Are we at that point? Again, not meaning to be a downer, just wondering, have we lost our touch, have the Imagineers?
Its a sad thing when Imagineers put their heart and soul into these shows only to have them fail. ......
Are we at that point? Again, not meaning to be a downer, just wondering, have we lost our touch, have the Imagineers?
I hear you on that Granny. Very well said.I've started a response on this topic two times, and two times I've deleted what I wrote because it could be taken the wrong way. Suffice it to say that I don't know that Disney has lost its touch, but is more a reflection of society. Disney, like all corporations, is so afraid of offending anyone that their product ends up being rather bland (kind of like the VWL refurb). The Imagineers cannot be encouraged to take risks because any such risk is met with the crazy social media society. So the Imagineers are given new projects complete with a shiny set of political correctness handcuffs.
That said, I think the Imagineers do a great job within the constraints they are given. As for theming and design of new attractions, they look more like something you'd see coming out of a marketing focus group. Ideas that sound good at a conference table but in actuality they just aren't very good ideas. And I can't remember the last time Disney made a memorable movie for the same reason. I mean, they felt like they had to do "Moana" because of the flak they got from certain groups about "Lilo & Stitch" and their depiction of those characters and Hawaiian culture.
Sorry for the rant. I don't show up often enough on this thread to come in with a soapbox in hand.
Despite everything, we are looking forward to a December trip. We haven't been to WDW in a couple of years now and are really looking forward to it.
Its a sad thing when Imagineers put their heart and soul into these shows only to have them fail. What some feel emotionally, others dont. We watch LegoMasters on TV and each time contestants get eliminated, I tear up, Tammy and Casey, on the other hand, heart of stone. Not that that's bad, its just how things affect us differently. Our daughter, soft hearted like me, will tear up at the slightest little emotional tug. Its how we absorb things. Illuminations always, always got me and our daughter, not so much with T and C.
Im not so sure these days that Imagineers are getting the heartstrings pulling tugs they once did. Is it because we are de-sensationalized by everything being at our fingertips and we are overwhelmed mentally? Or Is it because Imagineers have the disposal of the computer age at their beckon call, which may make their job easier than before, when all the drawings were done by hand, meetings were held in collaboration, rather than emails and texts being sent back and forth? Did we lose ourselves along the way over the last 20 years or so since the internet came along and since computers entered every home and every workplace? Just thoughts to ponder.
I love, love, love coming here each day to check out what's going on with the Groupies, and couldn't do so if it weren't for the internet. So I'm thankful in that perspective for it. But I also caution myself to not get too wrapped up in the computer beyond business emails, and FB and here, which are my 3 main places to be in the compute world.
As a young man, I loved the group Styx, but cant say I was a fan of the song "Mr. Roboto", but listening to the wisdom words of Dennis DeYoung these days, the song has touched me. A line in the song says, "machines de-humanize"
Are we at that point? Again, not meaning to be a downer, just wondering, have we lost our touch, have the Imagineers?
As a matter of clarification, the only requirement to be a Groupie is a love of the Lodge. However, that being said, CONGRATULATIONS! on your new contract (pending your ROFR). I know it's an exciting time for you, and we welcome your with open arms. Pull up a rocker, grab a spittoon, and sip on your favorite beverage as you join in our family. Welcome home!Hi all! Long time listener, first time caller.
Just had an offer on a resale contract accepted. Now comes the wait for ROFR and then I can join the ranks of VWL Groupies!! Been looking for the perfect contract for a while. I LOVE the separation of the building so much more than that other side. We have a direct contract at Riviera and have been looking at other properties since we took that gateway drug. I fell in love with the VWL atmosphere. Can't wait!