vent about WDW bus passengers

[JUJU814]

Disabled or overweight isnt even the main issue. Its the fact that they let everyone with that person go on the bus before all the people that were with the HC person. And most problems that come about from overweight people comes from being overweight. There are exceptions but when everyone even the kids go 100 lbs overweight then the healt issues are self inflicted.

Oh well that's not what you said..what you said was it wasn't those like the cancer survivor that bothered you, but it was the "overweight ones" that really bothered you.

So it's ok if all the family members with an ill person board first, but if the scooter person is an overweight person, then its not ok for all the family members to go with them?

Your reasoning doesn't make sense. If the main issue is the fact that they let everyone with the scooter person go on the bus before everyone else, then the REASON for the person being in the scooter is really irrelevant.

The REASON for one's health problems has nothing at all to do with this and it's really inappropriate to pass judgement on how the "overweight ones" got whatever handicap/illness they did.

Heck, there are some types of cancer out there that could be "self inflicted" ie: lung cancer if from smoking...etc.

If this issue is the scooter w/ the extra folks in the party, then there is no need to call out the "overweight ones" as less deserving.

Unless of course, that isn't the issue

 

[maxiesmom]

Disabled or overweight isnt even the main issue. Its the fact that they let everyone with that person go on the bus before all the people that were with the HC person. And most problems that come about from overweight people comes from being overweight. There are exceptions but when everyone even the kids go 100 lbs overweight then the healt issues are self inflicted.

You said that 90% of the people you see that use ECVs are overweight, and that is what bothers you. Is that the issue, or is the issue the fact that Disney doesn't choose to further punish people in ECVs by making them split up from their family in order to use Disney transportation?

For some strange reason whenever this subject comes up, everyone who uses an ECV also vacations with at least 10 family members. A strange phenomena, for sure. It is also strange that in 12+ trips to Disney World I have never witnessed that phenomena. I have never once gotten in a line, and then been bumped off a bus because someone in an ECV got on, along with their whole extended family.

Maybe it is just me, but I hope I never sink so low as to being resentful of someone in an ECV. I can't imagine it. I would much rather be able to get around on my 2 legs, as wobbly as they sometimes are.

 

[arielchickenofthesea]

I can NOT believe that 90% of ECV users are overweight people. I don't see that. At least at Disneyland I don't see it. Maybe it does occur at WDW. We only go there once a year, so maybe 90% are overweight. But if an ECV helps the overweight person get around WDW so they don't have to sit at home and wish they could go, so what! Is that anybody's business but the ECV user and their family?

Whatever the need for an ECV, it helps those who would otherwise be stuck inside at home, get out to enjoy the magic of Disney. And who knows WHY they are overweight? It is not our problem. I have too much fun at WDW to worry about why other people need their ECV unless I meet someone and we talk about our issues( which has happened).

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

Nicely put, MM. I could care less what other people weigh. I am thrilled that that stuff is not even on my radar. What a waste of vacation time!

I think the large groups are an urban legend, lol. I've never witnessed them. But maybe they only travel in season, and not during January! I've actually never witnessed a full bus, either, but that is another story! I travel with little kids or an old mom, so we are in early everyday. And are on the first bus out in the morning if possible.

I'm really glad that when Josiah was in his chair we were too poor to stay on property. It probably saved me a lot of heartache. My mom is sassy enough to deal with rude people, so I don't need to worry about her.

 

[arielchickenofthesea]

You said that 90% of the people you see that use ECVs are overweight, and that is what bothers you. Is that the issue, or is the issue the fact that Disney doesn't choose to further punish people in ECVs by making them split up from their family in order to use Disney transportation?

For some strange reason whenever this subject comes up, everyone who uses an ECV also vacations with at least 10 family members. A strange phenomena, for sure. It is also strange that in 12+ trips to Disney World I have never witnessed that phenomena. I have never once gotten in a line, and then been bumped off a bus because someone in an ECV got on, along with their whole extended family.

Maybe it is just me, but I hope I never sink so low as to being resentful of someone in an ECV. I can't imagine it. I would much rather be able to get around on my 2 legs, as wobbly as they sometimes are.

Thank you for your thoughtful post. I would rather have my legs and back healthy than ride an ECV and be a nuisance for others on a bus. But the reality of it, is that I am disabled, but still can enjoy the magic of Disney from my ECV and that makes me happy that I can go!

 

[maxiesmom]

Just trying to get the point across that just because someone is on a scooter doesnt mean the rest of their group shouldnt have to wait in line like the rest of us. Plain and simple. When they arrive at their destination then they can wait on the rest of their party instead of making everyone they cut in front at the bus stop wait even longer then they already did.

So they can suffer even more inconvenience. As if using an ECV is not a big enough inconvenience in itself. I can't imagine why anyone thinks it would be a good thing to make families split up like that. Disney set the rule that the ECVs need to board first, not the people who use them. I think it would be pretty heartless to split a family up because one of it's members has to use an ECV to get around. I am glad Disney does not have such a rule.

 

[auralia]

we were at pop we let a large family on in front of us because a couple of them had cut in front of us (rather ran to be in front of us) and the others wanted to be by them and we let it happen thinking they would leave at least one seat for me and my tired 2 year old because it was so hard to hold her... not a one of them gave up a seat and there were 2 spoilt rich teenagers across from where i was holding my daughter just staring at us like we were freaks i actually fell over holding her because the bus driver was not doing a good job... the man behind me caught me ... so i learned that day, don't be kind to others they will probably not be kind to you.

 

[Hannathy]

Again I have no problem with someone using an ECV (although I do think they are abused) and I understand the need for them to load onto the bus first BUT it should be first when it is their turn after waiting in the line. It is extremely maddening to have waited 20 minutes for a bus knowing you will get on cause you are half way back in the line and then just as the bus is pulling in someone in an ECV comes rolling in followed by 6 people and goes right to the front of the line and they all get on and you don't. I'm sorry but that isn't right. They should wait until the next bus comes since they did not wait for 20 or so minutes like everyone else.

 

[JEWLSVERN]

Just trying to get the point across that just because someone is on a scooter doesnt mean the rest of their group shouldnt have to wait in line like the rest of us. Plain and simple. When they arrive at their destination then they can wait on the rest of their party instead of making everyone they cut in front at the bus stop wait even longer then they already did.

Sometimes the logistics of the party with the ECV aren't really reasonable to just have one person load with them while the rest wait in line. We are going on our first trip next week. My mom is disabled and will be in an ECV. The others in our party are DH, me, DD2, and DS7months. So if one person, say DH and the stroller loads with the ECV, then I am left struggling with 2 little ones on my own. If I load with mom and even one baby then DH is left behind to struggle with a double stroller and a 2 yr old. I can't send just DD2 with grandma because grandma can't drive the ECV and help her. It just isn't always possible to load just one guest with the ECV.

My plan, if needed, is to have DD2 sit on grandmas lap while I have DS7months in the Ergo and DH will deal with the stroller. I understand the frustration of waiting in line only to be bumped, but we can load our entire party and only take up 2-3 seats (3 in DH sits). It is the same amount of seats that would be taken had the ECV driver and 1 person loaded.

 

[Janea+Twins]

The responses in this thread werent at all like what I was expecting to read.
You are in WDW and are complaining about having to wait an extra 10-15 minutes while an ecv loads or until another bus comes?? I understand its an inconvenience because i have also had to wait for another bus to come and i had dinner reservations to be on time for. I always plan ahead and even with the delay, i made it to my reservations just fine. I would rather be inconvenienced for a short amount of time then my entire trip like those with disabilities. Of course this is all JMO

 

[smidgy]

boy, has this thread gone "off-track". the OP was not talking about ecvs. she was talking about people not giving up seats for others who need a seat more.
(oops! mea culpa. I DID get off track myself, when I mentioned standing people not moving all the way to the back, so more people who are willing to stand can get on. Of course, you're going to stand by your child, but if mom and kids are seated, dad can move back.)
anyway, hubby and I will continue to give up seats to those who need them more than we do.
and I agree that it is disheartening to see healthy teens, young adults, seated while moms are struggling , trying to hold on to little ones.

 

[maxiesmom]

Again I have no problem with someone using an ECV (although I do think they are abused) and I understand the need for them to load onto the bus first BUT it should be first when it is their turn after waiting in the line. It is extremely maddening to have waited 20 minutes for a bus knowing you will get on cause you are half way back in the line and then just as the bus is pulling in someone in an ECV comes rolling in followed by 6 people and goes right to the front of the line and they all get on and you don't. I'm sorry but that isn't right. They should wait until the next bus comes since they did not wait for 20 or so minutes like everyone else.

So you think everyone should get on the bus, then they should load the ECV. Then the people already on the bus would somehow have to move out of the way, and watch all their toes and other body parts so they don't get injured by the ECV either running into them or running over them. How does that make any kind of sense?

You would really rather risk personal injury or injury to a loved one then let an ECV board before you? Not a choice I would make.

Honestly, it sounds like you are someone who should rent a car for stay at Disney World. People in ECVs are pretty common at Disney World, as they do such a good job of accomodating them. So you are bound to run into the situation that bothers you so much. I don't mean this in a snarky manner, but why not save yourself the aggrivation and either rent a car or use taxis to get around? If the way Disney loads the busses bothers you so much, but you continue to use the busses, then you are making yourself miserable.

 

[Disneyadore]

Reading all those comment here about ECV or GAC I now fully understand the policy of Disney Paris that only those that are official disabled get a "Carte Bleu".
There is no way around it. You have to bring an official note from your hospital to PD to get disabled access.
Nothing wrong with that and you hardly see people using this special perk.
This whole "forbidden to ask for proof of disabilities " has grown into a major "abuse the system fungus" in the US.

Lets be honest. The slogan "drive all day,dance all night' that the EVC companies use to sell there products says enough.

 

[maxiesmom]

Reading all those comment here about ECV or GAC I now fully understand the policy of Disney Paris that only those that are official disabled get a "Carte Bleu".
There is no way around it. You have to bring an official note from your hospital to PD to get disabled access.
Nothing wrong with that and you hardly see people using this special perk.
This whole "forbidden to ask for proof of disabilities " has grown into a major "abuse the system fungus" in the US.

Lets be honest. The slogan "drive all day,dance all night' that the EVC companies use to sell there products says enough.

I don't agree. Besides the fact that it is illegal in the US to make someone prove they are disabled, there are other things to take into consideration.

All it takes is one day on an ECV or in a wheelchair to see that there is absolutely no perk to be had by using one. First off, you get to stare at people's rear ends all day. Not exactly what I want to look at. Second, they are a pain to manuever in the parks. People jump out in front of you all of the time. You just can't move around as easily as someone who is walking. Just try using one in a busy park, I dare you!

Third is the fact that there is no front of the line access using an ECV or wheelchair. Which some people still believe to be true. Actually at some rides your wait is even longer, as only a handful of ride vehicals can take an ECV.

There is absolutely no huge perk to having to use an ECV or wheelchair at Disney World. So I believe the huge majority of people in them are not in them for fun, or because they are lazy. If someone uses one just because they don't feel like walking I think they find out pretty fast that it isn't as great of an idea as they thought it was.

 

[JUJU814]

Reading all those comment here about ECV or GAC I now fully understand the policy of Disney Paris that only those that are official disabled get a "Carte Bleu".
There is no way around it. You have to bring an official note from your hospital to PD to get disabled access.
Nothing wrong with that and you hardly see people using this special perk.
This whole "forbidden to ask for proof of disabilities " has grown into a major "abuse the system fungus" in the US.

Lets be honest. The slogan "drive all day,dance all night' that the EVC companies use to sell there products says enough.

I could not agree with you more! I think you should need a doctor's note as well. That would tremendously cut down on the abuse. A person who is truly disabled..in any way...would have no problem bringing a note.

I have a son with "hidden" disabilities and made sure to bring a note with me last time. Obtaining the note was no big deal and just part of our trip planning.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

Reading all those comment here about ECV or GAC I now fully understand the policy of Disney Paris that only those that are official disabled get a "Carte Bleu".
There is no way around it. You have to bring an official note from your hospital to PD to get disabled access.
Nothing wrong with that and you hardly see people using this special perk.
This whole "forbidden to ask for proof of disabilities " has grown into a major "abuse the system fungus" in the US.

Lets be honest. The slogan "drive all day,dance all night' that the EVC companies use to sell there products says enough.

You don't need a doctor's note for anything. In fact it is against the law to require such a thing as you seem to know. The only people who are treated in a special manner are the Make a Wish Kids. The ECV and WC have only held us up. They are a pitb, rather than something helpful. You obviously have never had to deal with the situation.

Abuse of the system is a silly concept. Who cares if people choose to ride? My mom doesn't have to prove her weakness to anyone. Maybe she should show her port and track marks next time.

 

[disneyjunkie]

(oops! mea culpa. I DID get off track myself, when I mentioned standing people not moving all the way to the back, so more people who are willing to stand can get on. Of course, you're going to stand by your child, but if mom and kids are seated, dad can move back.)

More people can get on. All they have to do is say excuse me and walk pass the people that aren't willing to move back.

What is with people that are afraid to open their mouths and say excuse me?

 

[njmeisje]

I am a mom of two pre-teen girls, so I've "been there, done that" with the strollers, toddlers, diaper bags. Our family often stand for moms with small children. However, I have a big problem with the EXPECTATION that I should. We have been on a WDW bus where a mom will pile onto the bus with her baby in arms, a toddler, the BIGGEST stroller I have ever seen, bags off every arm, and the grand mother following. Once on the bus, then proceed to GLARE at me for not getting up. When our kids were little, we'd either save up to stay in a monorail resort, or rented a car, rented a WDW stroller everyday, carried the minimum, and made life easiest on ourselves. These moms are doing this to themselves and then EXPECTING everyone else to help them with their stuff.

Glare at me all you like, but if I went above and beyond to simplify my own visits to maximize enjoyment, and reduce stress.....I'm not going to feel guilty about not wanting to deal with your self-imposed stressful situation.

Beyond this type of person - I'm the first to get up for someone in need. And they are often very grateful. One mom sat down and began to feed her baby, and spilled it all over my standing husband.....we laughed it off and all went about our day. What'cha gonna do ----- Life Happens.

 

[Disneyadore]

I could not agree with you more! I think you should need a doctor's note as well. That would tremendously cut down on the abuse. A person who is truly disabled..in any way...would have no problem bringing a note.

I have a son with "hidden" disabilities and made sure to bring a note with me last time. Obtaining the note was no big deal and just part of our trip planning.

A friend of us is working in disney Paris as a CM.

Last time we visited the park we had a dinner appointment with him. We visited the show he works at and afterwards we had to wait behind the scenes for him.
He had to accompany a special needs child with his family to see Mickey and Minnie after the show. It was so beauty full to see this family interact with the figures all alone without the hassle and stress of others.
The took all the time they needed and the child was glowing.
Afterwards our friend told us that we saw was a very rare happening. Only those children that are really sick or have only short time to live get this special treatment.
No so called disability or special snow flake treatment. And real disabled persons will not have a problem to bring a note,only the cheaters cry discrimination.

Hope you and your children had the best time of there life.

 

[Disneyadore]

You don't need a doctor's note for anything. In fact it is against the law to require such a thing as you seem to know. The only people who are treated in a special manner are the Make a Wish Kids. The ECV and WC have only held us up. They are a pitb, rather than something helpful. You obviously have never had to deal with the situation.

Abuse of the system is a silly concept. Who cares if people choose to ride? My mom doesn't have to prove her weakness to anyone. Maybe she should show her port and track marks next time.

In Paris you do need an note.
And yes I had to use a wheel chair in WDW so I know the real benefits that you get but that truth is always denied here.
And please I know what a chemo treatment means myself so don't think I don't know what that means.