veggie items like chili... are veggie!

[audrabolster]

once while at the french market my wife asked if they had any vegetarian soups of the day, and the guy said the broccoli and cheese soup.

Luckily enough the manager was right there and said that it had chicken stock in it.

 

[audrabolster]

And Jade, my main reason for posting today is that there are two items on the menus called Vegetarian Chili and Vegetarian Gumbo. The problem is that now two people (unless the PP here has a husband who posted on micechat?) have been told by CMs that the Vegetarian Chili is made with chicken stock. Meaning that it is not in any way, shape, or form, vegetarian. Not even close.

So that's what I'm hoping to find out from Disneyland!

Please keep us updated if you recieve a response about this. I'm sure if they are marketing it as vegetarian, disney would be smart enough to actually make it veggie, but who knows!

 

[bumbershoot]

Jumping into this conversation.

We're visiting DL for the first time (after more visits than we can count to WDW).

What and where can we eat in the two parks? We are lacto ovo and not vegan.

It has from time to time been a huge issue in WDW, though it has been getting easier.

So, any recommendations?

Well, until the micechat post (and PM) I saw yesterday, I would have wholeheartedly suggested the Vegetarian Chili at Pacific Wharf Cafe, and the Vegetarian Gumbo at Royal Street Veranda.

I've also enjoyed the penne pasta with marinara at Plaza Inn, and in the "I haven't specifically asked like I try to not ask at Mexican restaurants but if it tastes too rich I won't eat anymore" category, the kid's meal with the burrito and mexican rice at Cocina Cucamonga at DCA and Rancho del Zocalo in Frontierland also makes our list.

But now I'm waiting for a reply.

I'm thinking that it was an overzealous CM who perhaps just didn't know, or who had been told that other things contained chicken stock, and that the kerfluffle I'm in is over nothing!

Please keep us updated if you recieve a response about this. I'm sure if they are marketing it as vegetarian, disney would be smart enough to actually make it veggie, but who knows!

I think they would be smart enough, too.

Ooh, but if not, I wonder if I could contact Pamela Anderson through PETA, to get her vegan face on the issue. I mention her b/c of her diet (and other reasons I'd like to meet her), and b/c I've seen pix of her at Disneyland.

 

[disneychrista]

Yes please. This is one thing I KNEW my vegan DD would eat. On top of being vegan she doesn't like a wide variety of veggies (no eggplant or mushrooms) so she is going to be VERY limited when we go in December.

 

[syko]

While I and my daughter are vegans, my issue with DL and the honey in the cake is that I am allergic to it, and they where told all about the allergies several times. If I had not had my meds my husband would have been calling 911.
There are several different types of vegetarianism:

Foods in the main vegetarian diets Diet Name;
Meat, Poultry, Fish, Eggs, Dairy, Honey
Lacto-ovo vegetarianism No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Lacto vegetarianism No No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Ovo vegetarianism No Yes No Yes Yes Yes
Veganism No No No No No No

I do know that the veggie soups on DCL ( when we went) did contain chicken

 

[disneychrista]

Foods in the main vegetarian diets Diet Name;
Meat, Poultry, Fish, Eggs, Dairy, Honey
Lacto-ovo vegetarianism No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Lacto vegetarianism No No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Ovo vegetarianism No Yes No Yes Yes Yes
Veganism No No No No No No

I have to disagree with the above true vegetarians (any type) do not eat chicken or fish. Eggs (Ovo) & Diary (lacto) yes but not fish or chicken. A pescetarian aka Pesco-Vegetarian eats fish but if you eat poultry & just not "red meat" (beef, pork etc) then you are not under any deffienition a vegetarian.

 

[Quest4Kingdom]

And Jade, my main reason for posting today is that there are two items on the menus called Vegetarian Chili and Vegetarian Gumbo. The problem is that now two people (unless the PP here has a husband who posted on micechat?) have been told by CMs that the Vegetarian Chili is made with chicken stock. Meaning that it is not in any way, shape, or form, vegetarian. Not even close.

So that's what I'm hoping to find out from Disneyland!

I think there is a confusion out in the vegetarian, vegan, non-vegan spheres on what is technically "vegetarian" by law and can actually be claimed vegetarian- by guidelines. Lots of people, including myself, once thought that "vegetarian" was synonymous with "veggie" or vegetables only dishes. I think some people though they don't intend to, may mislead people because of uncertainty of terms used.
Hmmm the problem is who to ask??? Did you try calling restaurant headquarters itself? Just some thoughts...

 

[ScrapperKimmyD]

Yeah, I think some do and some don't. I traveled to Ecuador with a vegan in a college group, she bought an enormous pot of honey in a town we stopped at. She had been lecturing us on animal rights the whole trip. I said "Do you eat honey?" and she replied "Yes, of course!"... to which I replied, "Don't you care about bee's as well??" Later in the trip she told me my question prompted her to avoid honey as well. She explained that all the vegans she knew ate honey, so she thought nothing of it.

I don't know though, I am a carnivore

I always figured that if you're going through the pain of being vegan, you might as well take it seriously enough to not use honey!

I've been vegan for a short period of time, but long enough to show me how allergy-free I could be (and how much thinner I could be), but it's too difficult for me just to give up the danged dairy. Way too addicted.

Is there any actual bee in the honey, or isn't it just something the bee made? the people I know don't want to eat any dead animals, so honey is okay for them.

I don't really know what the process is of getting the honey. Are the bees killed or hurt? Does the smoke hurt them, or do they come right back and go about their business? I guess I need to see the bee movie, eh?

Jumping into this conversation.

We're visiting DL for the first time (after more visits than we can count to WDW).

What and where can we eat in the two parks? We are lacto ovo and not vegan.

It has from time to time been a huge issue in WDW, though it has been getting easier.

So, any recommendations?

If you eat eggs & dairy, then Rancho del Zocolo (is that right?) is good.
There are a lot of option if you're not worried about eggs/dairy or chicken stock.

While I and my daughter are vegans, my issue with DL and the honey in the cake is that I am allergic to it, and they where told all about the allergies several times. If I had not had my meds my husband would have been calling 911.
There are several different types of vegetarianism:

Foods in the main vegetarian diets Diet Name;
Meat, Poultry, Fish, Eggs, Dairy, Honey
Lacto-ovo vegetarianism No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Lacto vegetarianism No No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Ovo vegetarianism No Yes No Yes Yes Yes
Veganism No No No No No No

I do know that the veggie soups on DCL ( when we went) did contain chicken

Ah, I see. I thought you were upset that honey was included in a vegan diet.

I have to disagree with the above true vegetarians (any type) do not eat chicken or fish. Eggs (Ovo) & Diary (lacto) yes but not fish or chicken. A pescetarian aka Pesco-Vegetarian eats fish but if you eat poultry & just not "red meat" (beef, pork etc) then you are not under any deffienition a vegetarian.

right, a true vegetarian won't eat any dead animals. Or as one friend puts it, anything that had a face. Or anything that had a mother.

 

[Quest4Kingdom]

Ooops took too long to type the previous post and didn't realise others were also thinkin along the same thoughts! So, I didn't realise as well how many types of vegetarians there are! and had no clue about honey even! i did discover Agave recently which is pretty good alternative....
thanks for that enlightenment!
Waiting to hear about your researching Bumbershoot!

 

[bumbershoot]

I sent an email out, under the "other" category, using a form found on disneyland.com. I've asked for clarification, and for a list of ingredients for several dishes to be sent to me.


From searching around, especially on the Hindu lawyer's own website where he doesn't mention it, it seems that my initial (and long-held) understanding of the Pizza Hut case was wrong, and that it seems the guy didn't win it. I think he was stating that the enzyme in the cheese was rennet (aka a beef product, so forbidden for religious Hindus, and anyone else who doesn't want that), but they stated that it was not rennet. My understanding, which seems to have been wrong, was that they were saying beef flavorings were being used in the pizza sauce.


That's neither here nor there, but just in case anyone was interested I figured I'd put it out there. And in that case, it was an issue with it being the Veggie Lover's Pizza, which I know that I always took to mean "vegetarian", but just the case being brought up made me realized that "veggie" doesn't mean much. But I've always taken "vegetarian" to mean something, and I'm not sure that MOST people think that vegetarians will eat various stocks. I think that people making a stock with meat will say "vegetable soup" or "veggie soup"...the stores around here sure have a lot of "veggie soups" that are beef-based! I always check for "vegetarian".

Now as to personal beliefs and practices, it gets a little looser in definition, b/c so many people are different. Friend's husband is "vegetarian", but if it's an unidentifiable meat, he'll eat it...like salami or pepperoni. So people only having him as an example get a little bit confused!


Anyway, I'm waiting for some sort of answer, waiting, waiting, waiting....

 

[tortugaverde]

Is there any actual bee in the honey, or isn't it just something the bee made? the people I know don't want to eat any dead animals, so honey is okay for them.

I don't really know what the process is of getting the honey. Are the bees killed or hurt? Does the smoke hurt them, or do they come right back and go about their business? I guess I need to see the bee movie, eh?

No, no actual bee in the honey... but the bee has worked hard with his other bee friends and family to make the honey. They fly thousands (or hundreds, I cant remember which, lol) to get pollen to make honey for themselves... and then people come, smoke them up (calms them down, so they don't protect the hive) and take away the honey.
I guess it would be a "product of an animal" vs "an animal product". Perhaps like milk?? Or is there actual animal in the milk??? I clearly have no idea !!!

I would guess that most non honey vegans would be against honey for animal protection views vs animal product views... but I could be totally wrong!


That is my stab in the dark about honey and vegans I am sure someone will come along and correct me

 

[IngridRalph]

Thank you for this discussion! Our family is veggie and our kids are 10 & 13. We usually stay with items described as veggie or items that we assume are like Cheese pizza. We don't have allergies just personal preferences. I am always surprise at how few veggies there are!

~Ingrid

 

[syko]

I agree with all of you that a true vegerarian would not eat meat. The list I posted was taken from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian
The Vegan society states that a vegan does not eat honey, I was upset that it was in the cake as a vegan, but more because of being allergic.

 

[bumbershoot]

No, no actual bee in the honey... but the bee has worked hard with his other bee friends and family to make the honey. They fly thousands (or hundreds, I cant remember which, lol) to get pollen to make honey for themselves... and then people come, smoke them up (calms them down, so they don't protect the hive) and take away the honey.
I guess it would be a "product of an animal" vs "an animal product". Perhaps like milk?? Or is there actual animal in the milk??? I clearly have no idea !!!

I would guess that most non honey vegans would be against honey for animal protection views vs animal product views... but I could be totally wrong!


That is my stab in the dark about honey and vegans I am sure someone will come along and correct me

You're cracking me up. I'm sort of "hearing" you say it, and it's making me giggle.


Keeping in mind that I do eat honey on occasion, am not allergic to it, and am fascinated to learn that it has curative value for wounds, I will let you know that when I was first meeting vegans (some longtime vegans who just lived their lives and didn't freak out when talking to omnivores, and some brand new ones who still had to use inflammatory language), honey was described to me as...




I'm going to give some space here so that if you don't want to read it you don't have to...
















bee vomit.



I tell ya that put me off it for awhile!



Oh, and as a long-term lactator myself, there is no animal in the milk. However, the dairy industry is fairly nasty (baby cows not allowed to nurse very long b/c humans want the cow milk, mama cows must continue to lactate, so are kept pregnant more often than they normally would be, then what do you do with all the baby cows...and that's where the veal industry comes into play, from the "useless" in the eyes of the dairy farm boy cows) and I'm a 100% hypocritical jerk in that I know all this but consume dairy anyway. (when DS was only 1 and I was nursing quite a bit more than I am now, I burst into tears driving by a dairy farm, thinking of the mamas...) I hide my head in shame. Hand me my latte please?

The Vegan society states that a vegan does not eat honey, I was upset that it was in the cake as a vegan, but more because of being allergic.

It's absolutely upsetting. I think that chef was being an idiot who didn't think, and got all defensive. Hubby does that (not that he's an idiot, but he sometimes doesn't think, does something, then instead of apologizing he defends) and it's almost always b/c he's made a mistake.

There's a person on the WDW dining threads who is allergic to meat, so she really knows when there's hidden meat or stock in things, b/c it makes her more ill than a long time veggie eating something that s/he can't really digest anymore.




I just went through my Spam, hoping they had already written back but the email was diverted.

 

[bumbershoot]

Getting back to Disneyland, I'm really really hoping that I get "good" responses about the Mexican restaurant food I also asked about.

I don't *think* the rice has stock or the beans have animal fat in them, they don't feel that rich or greasy. Nor do they have the feeling at the back of the throat (unlike McD's hashbrowns...I always knew they were too greasy, dangit! and now I know why) that I get from non-veggie things.

Hope hope hope.

Otherwise, I'm toast at Disneyland/DCA. And then all my free time will be taken up by writing impassioned pleas every single day to make those items actually free of such things! My house will never get fully done if I have to do that.....

 

[disneyfan4ever54]

Here is a link to the names of the head chefs at DLR and their contact info. The site is for gluten-free information, but the chefs can be contacted for any dietary concern or question. Hopefully, they will be able to clear up some things regarding the "vegetarian" options at the parks

http://www.kintera.org/site/pp.asp?c=ewK0LjP7E&b=88697

 

[iankh]

While I and my daughter are vegans, my issue with DL and the honey in the cake is that I am allergic to it, and they where told all about the allergies several times. If I had not had my meds my husband would have been calling 911.
There are several different types of vegetarianism:

Foods in the main vegetarian diets Diet Name;
Meat, Poultry, Fish, Eggs, Dairy, Honey
Lacto-ovo vegetarianism No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Lacto vegetarianism No No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Ovo vegetarianism No Yes No Yes Yes Yes
Veganism No No No No No No

I do know that the veggie soups on DCL ( when we went) did contain chicken

Hmm - not so sure about the definition of lacto-ovo as we will eat dairy and eggs and honey and will NOT eat meat, fish and poultry.

 

[disneychrista]

I was once told by a CM (via a post on MiceChat or MousePad) that the rice & bean were both made w/o stock & lard.

Molly - I have a feeling the response you will get is to contact the chef via phone. When I asked if the veggie burgers were grain or soy based they couldn't answer for me. I was told I had to call them to ask.

I mean give me a break. Couldn't they have called over there and asked and responded?

 

[Quest4Kingdom]

Oh, and as a long-term lactator myself, there is no animal in the milk. However, the dairy industry is fairly nasty (baby cows not allowed to nurse very long b/c humans want the cow milk, mama cows must continue to lactate, so are kept pregnant more often than they normally would be, then what do you do with all the baby cows...and that's where the veal industry comes into play, from the "useless" in the eyes of the dairy farm boy cows) and I'm a 100% hypocritical jerk in that I know all this but consume dairy anyway. (when DS was only 1 and I was nursing quite a bit more than I am now, I burst into tears driving by a dairy farm, thinking of the mamas...) I hide my head in shame. Hand me my latte please...

So I'm wondering, what type of vegetarian would eat fries that were fried in the same oil as chicken and fish sticks? Are there any that clearly avoid that? Although a huge part of my recent decision to go vegatarian has to do with health, it also stems from treatment of animals... what about organic and free-range? The lactating thing you mentioned, wouldn't organic and free-range farms not allow that type of treatment? And I just can't go totally soy just yet!

One thing though, if Disneyland did start offering some organic and/or free-range, I think I wouldn't be freaking out as much...I don't think it would hurt those that don't care for organic, wouldn't the food still taste just as good?

 

[syko]

So I'm wondering, what type of vegetarian would eat fries that were fried in the same oil as chicken and fish sticks? Are there any that clearly avoid that?

When we eat out we ask to see the list of ingredients and how and what the food is cooked in. So yes there are some that do.

As for soya milk, I started on chocolate first then went to plain, I love silk light and drink 1/2 gallon a day, you can now get soya milk with added bone health etc. and its still completly vegan.