VDH dues?

[atthebeachclub]

Has anyone looked into VDH’s breakdown of dues and compared with WDW DVC resorts? I have been back of mind considering if I ever wanted a direct contract, VDH fixed week might be my move (and more often than not I might use this instead at WDW), but the dues are off putting. Plus the dues started high and increased quite a bit for a new resort.

Has anyone examined the dues breakdown already? I figured the hive mind may have already done this. I am curious if dues are likely to continue to rise so quickly in the future. I also hate the taxes, but that’s something you can’t really fight. Thanks!

 

[VGCgroupie]

Yes, what kind of comparison are you looking for and Ive probably done it.
Like comparing purchasing VDH vs RIV or?

 

[VGCgroupie]

Also, I did a FW at VDH. Great minds

 

[atthebeachclub]

Yes, what kind of comparison are you looking for and Ive probably done it.
Like comparing purchasing VDH vs RIV or?

I guess I am trying to determine why the dues increased so much as a percentage in the first year compared to other similarly new resorts. It is unusual in recent DVC history to see this: lately dues have started high and stagnated or dropped at most other locations. I’m wondering what drove the increase and if we can expect more of that. I suppose RIV dues would be the closest comparison due to age of resort.

 

[atthebeachclub]

Also, I did a FW at VDH. Great minds

Which one did you do? I can see week 50 or maybe late January/early Feb (need to get away from the terrible winter weather). I almost feel like I’d have to go for 1 bedrooms though so we can get three sleeping surfaces and my worries about availability, which makes any purchase a lot of points. I’d prefer to just do 150 direct max.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I guess I am trying to determine why the dues increased so much as a percentage in the first year compared to other similarly new resorts. It is unusual in recent DVC history to see this: lately dues have started high and stagnated or dropped at most other locations. I’m wondering what drove the increase and if we can expect more of that. I suppose RIV dues would be the closest comparison due to age of resort.

Let me find the spreadsheet we did for the last 5 years of dues. I was actually pretty shocked by the increases at VGC even though VGC isn't considered usually high as far as dues go. I could be completely wrong but I think it being in CA plays a big part of the dues increase.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Which one did you do? I can see week 50 or maybe late January/early Feb (need to get away from the terrible winter weather). I almost feel like I’d have to go for 1 bedrooms though so we can get three sleeping surfaces and my worries about availability, which makes any purchase a lot of points. I’d prefer to just do 150 direct max.

I did FW 7 since its my granddaughters bday and sometimes it will fall on a holiday. But also it made the point split on 2 contract to get to 200 attractive. We did 200 points since incentive wise that made the most sense, 250 was a hard pass and 150 wasnt quite enough. We split the contract 138/62.

Since we we likely not use our FW due to we don't need 7 days at DL (maybe that will change after DL forward is complete), I did strongly consider other weeks based of a the chart and certain weeks being more valuable in the future. Below I will quote what another member found studying the FW schedule/point charts.


"Week 10 is the best because it is a 3 tier jump in the middle of the week. This year it's a 6 point gap for a studio (132 to 138 FW), but in 2029 would cost 146, so you'd come out ahead a lot of years. Week 4 is the next best, because it's a 2 tier jump. This year it’s a 6 point gap (101 vs 107 FW), but 2029 would cost 109 points, so you'd come out ahead by 2 points."

 

[VGCgroupie]

At first I looked at just the last few years. And this was the breakdown. This is why I kind of attributed it to being in CA. Again I could be very wrong.

VGC increases
2021 to 2022 - 7%
2022 to 2023 - 7.46%
2023 to 2024 - 6.39%

VDH
2023 to 2024 - 5.2%


RIV increases
2021 to 2022 - .01%
2022 to 2023 - 1.44%
2023 to 2024 - 4.07%


Highest increases 2023 to 2024 was (leaving out VB/HHI)

1 Aulani - 6.78%
2 VGC - 6.39%
3 Beach Club - 5.63%

 

[VGCgroupie]

This I found after doing my own calculations and has a ton of info.

https://www.dvchelp.com/page/maintenance-fees-current-and-historical

 

[atthebeachclub]

At first I looked at just the last few years. And this was the breakdown. This is why I kind of attributed it to being in CA. Again I could be very wrong.

VGC increases
2021 to 2022 - 7%
2022 to 2023 - 7.46%
2023 to 2024 - 6.39%

VDH
2023 to 2024 - 5.2%


RIV increases
2021 to 2022 - .01%
2022 to 2023 - 1.44%
2023 to 2024 - 4.07%


Highest increases 2023 to 2024 was (leaving out VB/HHI)

1 Aulani - 6.78%
2 VGC - 6.39%
3 Beach Club - 5.63%

I found a dues breakdown in the DVC Field Guide to compare to RIV; I think you are right that this is a California thing. Seems like a lot of the dues at VDH relate to things like housekeeping costs, which are influenced heavily by wages. I am not clear about why the increases are so high but I suspect they are non-modifiable and may relate to California rules and regulations.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I found a dues breakdown in the DVC Field Guide to compare to RIV; I think you are right that this is a California thing. Seems like a lot of the dues AT VDH relate to things like housekeeping costs, which are influenced heavily by wages. I am not clear about why the increases are so high but I suspect they are non-modifiable and may relate to California rules and regulations.

We did the 90 day pay so we had the ability to switch to Poly if it went on sale at a good price prior to our closing, but I think we have decided to just keep VDH, especially after being able to see the availability for it. We are crossing our fingers that DL forward will help it hold it hold some value long term.

I will say I saw a small VDH get listed for more than I paid and it sold rather quickly. Which made me happy that if I wanted to sell my 62 pointer I would indeed profit on it as of right now.

 

[atthebeachclub]

We did the 90 day pay so we had the ability to switch to Poly if it went on sale at a good price prior to our closing, but I think we have decided to just keep VDH, especially after being able to see the availability for it. We are crossing our fingers that DL forward will help it hold it hold some value long term.

I will say I saw a small VDH get listed for more than I paid and it sold rather quickly. Which made me happy that if I wanted to sell my 62 pointer I would indeed profit on it as of right now.

How is 1 bedroom availability at 11 months?
Also, were you required to have just the exact amount of points for your fixed week in one contract and couldn’t add more to the same contract?

 

[VGCgroupie]

How is 1 bedroom availability at 11 months?
Also, were you required to have just the exact amount of points for your fixed week in one contract and couldn’t add more to the same contract?

They would've let me do all on one I believe, but I wanted to split especially since closing costs in CA are much lower than in FL. 138 pts was $379 in closing, the 62 pts was $359 closing costs. 11 month as of right now has some availability, less availability from 7-11 under 7 none.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I found a dues breakdown in the DVC Field Guide to compare to RIV; I think you are right that this is a California thing. Seems like a lot of the dues at VDH relate to things like housekeeping costs, which are influenced heavily by wages. I am not clear about why the increases are so high but I suspect they are non-modifiable and may relate to California rules and regulations.

It has a lot to do with Disney finally losing their legal efforts to avoid paying Measure L wages to DLR employees (wages that every other hotel/resort in the city have been paying since 2018).

Disneyland’s legal fight against Anaheim wage law nears conclusion

 

[atthebeachclub]

It has a lot to do with Disney finally losing their legal efforts to avoid paying Measure L wages to DLR employees (wages that every other hotel/resort in the city have been paying since 2018).

Disneyland’s legal fight against Anaheim wage law nears conclusion

Thank you, Don! This is probably the missing piece of info I was looking for.