VDH contract...wwyd?

[Michaelene De Boer]

Contemplating purchasing VDH. I spoke with Paulina at VDH and almost pulled the trigger for 150 pt direct contract. I didn't for a few reasons...1) I usually buy resale so the price tag seems steep 2) the only direct "perk" that would interest me is being able to book at other resorts but pretty limited on west coast. So do I buy direct or hold out for a resale contract to come up? FWIW I already own 4 other WDW resort contracts so I have points to use at VGC when we visit.

 

[atthebeachclub]

Do you need a full 150 at VDH? I would consider buying direct there to use elsewhere at times, especially in light of the taxes, but maybe you don’t need all 150 points?

 

[OKW Lover]

In your situation, especially with the other WDW contracts, I'd go the resale route as long as the price difference was significant.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Contemplating purchasing VDH. I spoke with Paulina at VDH and almost pulled the trigger for 150 pt direct contract. I didn't for a few reasons...1) I usually buy resale so the price tag seems steep 2) the only direct "perk" that would interest me is being able to book at other resorts but pretty limited on west coast. So do I buy direct or hold out for a resale contract to come up? FWIW I already own 4 other WDW resort contracts so I have points to use at VGC when we visit.

I would not touch a restricted VDH resale with 100ft pole at anywhere close to today’s prices.

100% direct and break it up into 50 point contracts and match your current use year.

Disney is going to be building a LOT over the next decade at Disneyland and Disney World and it’s not worth it to get locked out of those future resorts at the current resale prices.

 

[starry_solo]

The resale prices aren't significantly lower.

 

[NVDISFamily]

If you want the larger Villas - VDH points (Direct or Resale) are worth owning as there are just so few of those rooms. For Studios, so far it seems like getting in at 7 months is not too hard.

 

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

There’s a slight discount for Magic Key peeps.

 

[The Jackal]

I would not touch a restricted VDH resale with 100ft pole at anywhere close to today’s prices.

100% direct and break it up into 50 point contracts and match your current use year.

Disney is going to be building a LOT over the next decade at Disneyland and Disney World and it’s not worth it to get locked out of those future resorts at the current resale prices.

VDH sales are not good to put it nicely. I don’t think they are going to be building many more DVC at DL. The Grand Californian didn’t sell that well when it was in active sales. I could be wrong, but DL is a locals theme park, so they don’t need 30,000 hotel rooms.

 

[AstroBlasters]

VDH sales are not good to put it nicely. I don’t think they are going to be building many more DVC at DL. The Grand Californian didn’t sell that well when it was in active sales. I could be wrong, but DL is a locals theme park, so they don’t need 30,000 hotel rooms.

They already have approval to build a mixed use time share/ hotel as part of Disneyland Forward. There will absolutely be at least one new DVC in CA over the next 10 years. I’d probably bank on the addition of a new Pixar Place tower at some point.

Grand Cal was for sale during the financial crisis and the standard Disney hotel rooms were very inexpensive at the time, that needs to be considered.

I think they are perfectly happy with VDH sales or they would up the incentives.

 

[disneylandtour]

If you call your guide--seriously, like weekly--you might (just might) be able to find some direct points to VGC. Sometimes DVD acquires points through bankruptcy, buy-backs, etc. It's rare. But I've heard of it happening at least three times in the past year. I'd much rather have VGC than VDH for many reasons (resale value, no restrictions, GC is a lot better than DH IMO, etc.)

 

[Cyberc1978]

I would not touch a restricted VDH resale with 100ft pole at anywhere close to today’s prices.

100% direct and break it up into 50 point contracts and match your current use year.

Disney is going to be building a LOT over the next decade at Disneyland and Disney World and it’s not worth it to get locked out of those future resorts at the current resale prices.

I agree that VDH resale prices are much too high. Eventually they will come down - a lot. Had DVC just included the tax in the dues people would actually prefer to stay there. Now fewer people will actually stay and even buy there. Problem is that the tax would have made the dues very high and that’s probably the reason why they didn’t include them.

Even at $100 pp I wouldn’t buy at VDH and that’s purely because of the tax - I think many feels like I do. VGC is in another league and I would buy but I would try first to use my WDW points first.

However I don’t think Disney will be building a lot during the next decade. We might see 1 new addition at DL - depends on how long time VDH takes to sell out. For WDW we will see more resorts but “a lot more” might be a stretch - but with Disney we never know.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I agree that VDH resale prices are much too high. Eventually they will come down - a lot. Had DVC just included the tax in the dues people would actually prefer to stay there. Now fewer people will actually stay and even buy there. Problem is that the tax would have made the dues very high and that’s probably the reason why they didn’t include them.

Even at $100 pp I wouldn’t buy at VDH and that’s purely because of the tax - I think many feels like I do. VGC is in another league and I would buy but I would try first to use my WDW points first.

However I don’t think Disney will be building a lot during the next decade. We might see 1 new addition at DL - depends on how long time VDH takes to sell out. For WDW we will see more resorts but “a lot more” might be a stretch - but with Disney we never know.

Very fair.

 

[Michaelene De Boer]

I agree that VDH resale prices are much too high. Eventually they will come down - a lot. Had DVC just included the tax in the dues people would actually prefer to stay there. Now fewer people will actually stay and even buy there. Problem is that the tax would have made the dues very high and that’s probably the reason why they didn’t include them.

Even at $100 pp I wouldn’t buy at VDH and that’s purely because of the tax - I think many feels like I do. VGC is in another league and I would buy but I would try first to use my WDW points first.

However I don’t think Disney will be building a lot during the next decade. We might see 1 new addition at DL - depends on how long time VDH takes to sell out. For WDW we will see more resorts but “a lot more” might be a stretch - but with Disney we never know.

The TOT tax is off-putting for us as well. When we go I don't want to have to factor in the taxes
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[tx911]

I agree that VDH resale prices are much too high. Eventually they will come down - a lot. Had DVC just included the tax in the dues people would actually prefer to stay there. Now fewer people will actually stay and even buy there. Problem is that the tax would have made the dues very high and that’s probably the reason why they didn’t include them.

Even at $100 pp I wouldn’t buy at VDH and that’s purely because of the tax - I think many feels like I do. VGC is in another league and I would buy but I would try first to use my WDW points first.

However I don’t think Disney will be building a lot during the next decade. We might see 1 new addition at DL - depends on how long time VDH takes to sell out. For WDW we will see more resorts but “a lot more” might be a stretch - but with Disney we never know.

yeah, the ToT + restrictions combo is kryptonite.

 

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

yeah, the ToT + restrictions combo is kryptonite.

Alas in California (and Hawaii) you’re going to be paying TOT. Though if you have a VGC contract it’s baked into your dues. Which is a mixed blessing. It’s much lower but you’re always paying it. For VDH it’s much higher but if you use your VDH points in WDW ever you’re not paying them.

 

[AstroBlasters]

yeah, the ToT + restrictions combo is kryptonite.

If you don’t have access to VGC, then at Disneyland it’s VDH, cash Disney prices, or cash non-Disney prices. All 3 of those options have a ToT.

I would just go direct unless VDH resale gets down to RIV resale pricing to bypass future restrictions.

The majority of the cost of these contracts is dues, so you aren’t really saving that much for decades of an inferior product at the restricted resorts.

 

[Cyberc1978]

If you don’t have access to VGC, then at Disneyland it’s VDH, cash Disney prices, or cash non-Disney prices. All 3 of those options have a ToT.

I would just go direct unless VDH resale gets down to RIV resale pricing to bypass future restrictions.

The majority of the cost of these contracts is dues, so you aren’t really saving that much for decades of an inferior product at the restricted resorts.

I think I’d prefer to buy direct at VGC or resale for that matter. The resale price at VGC is much higher than VDH will ever be.

My problem is I’m required to pay an additional tax of $36-$86 per night (DL std). That’s a high amount to tack on to my vacation budget. If you are booking a 1br, maybe because that was all that was available at the time then the tax is even higher at $83-$172.

Those taxes really should be included in the dues as with other resorts.

Does anyone know if DVC could change that going forward or if it’s unchangeable?

 

[skier_pete]

I wouldn't buy resale at current prices. Right now there's few contracts on the market. VDH resale will never get as low as most WDW resale simply because the resale restrictions are not as much a deterrent because a lot of owners just want VDH.

People complain about the TOT - but you have to be sure you are comparing apples to apples here. On site hotel prices at WDW are very high. Yes with our VDH points and the TOT we were paying like $250 a night for a studio, but if you want to stay on property at DLR, you are starting around $400 a night at Pixar Pier and much higher at VGC and VHD. We bought points at VDH (our first direct contract ever) because when we compare to staying off-property versus DVC at VHD the prices were comparable and we love the DLH. Of course, we only go out there every 2-4 years, so we only needed 50 points to bank and borrow.

I think people thinking VDH resale contracts are ever going to be cheap are fooling themselves. They might go down to $150-160, but I just see it staying popular. The VDH is not selling as fast as Florida ones, but it is selling steady and I am sure DVC is happy enough with it.

Another alternative would be sell one of your resale contracts at WDW and replace it with a direct contract, and then you could use the points at VDH at 7 months. If you need that 11-month window bad enough - then suck it up and buy direct.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I think I’d prefer to buy direct at VGC or resale for that matter. The resale price at VGC is much higher than VDH will ever be.

My problem is I’m required to pay an additional tax of $36-$86 per night (DL std). That’s a high amount to tack on to my vacation budget. If you are booking a 1br, maybe because that was all that was available at the time then the tax is even higher at $83-$172.

Those taxes really should be included in the dues as with other resorts.

Does anyone know if DVC could change that going forward or if it’s unchangeable?

1) I don’t disagree, but that’s not what the OP was asking about. There may be other reasons they prefer VDH. Studio availability for instance. There are also times of year where VGC is double the point chart of VDH.

2) “should be included”. I don’t think it would have gone over well to have $12pp dues even if you had the points at Aulani or WDW…

3) Anyone can also just stay at a hotel and pay a higher tax rate there.

4) it’s much either to think about if you just pretend WDW DVC doesn’t exist…. which is the case for a lot of West Coast Disneylanders.

 

[Cyberc1978]

1) I don’t disagree, but that’s not what the OP was asking about. There may be other reasons they prefer VDH. Studio availability for instance. There are also times of year where VGC is double the point chart of VDH.

2) “should be included”. I don’t think it would have gone over well to have $12pp dues even if you had the points at Aulani or WDW…

3) Anyone can also just stay at a hotel and pay a higher tax rate there.

4) it’s much either to think about if you just pretend WDW DVC doesn’t exist…. which is the case for a lot of West Coast Disneylanders.

2.) Well that’s the problem isn’t it. The deal or what you would call it, that Disney made with the city of Anaheim regarding the tax was bad like really bad. Had they only struck the same or similar deal as with VGC it would have been much different.