Vaping....much worse than cigarettes.

[Hikergirl]

I'm of the opinion that inhaling anything into your lungs, especially long term is not good for you.
That is just common sense, but we all know many teens lack that and do what is "cool".
Although I know a bunch of teens that would argue that it isn't cool and you look like an idiot while doing it.

 

[theluckyrabbit]

Doesn't matter (I mean it does, but first and foremost) vaping inside the parks is specifically prohibited as part of the smoking ban.

Doesn't stop people from doing it -- inside the parks or in DTD. At first, there was noticeable improvement. But now, we see more and more people vaping and getting away with it. Most people are just too lazy to walk all the way to the smoking section outside the secure zone by the Harbor entrance. Or they don't care who else is harmed by their habit -- be it children, adults with asthma, etc.

 

[low-key]

Exactly what "agenda" are scientists trying to push about vaping? That doesn't make sense to me

Follow the money, who " paid" the scientist

 

[wgeo]

Follow the money, who " paid" the scientist

I'm sorry, still confused - what scientists are you talking about? Just saying "follow the money" is meaningless. You still haven't mentioned what "agenda" a scientist could possibly have regarding vaping.

Can you show me a scientist that has been "paid" from someone and has come out with an agenda about vaping?

 

[lifesavacation]

I'm sorry, still confused - what scientists are you talking about? Just saying "follow the money" is meaningless. You still haven't mentioned what "agenda" a scientist could possibly have regarding vaping.

Can you show me a scientist that has been "paid" from someone and has come out with an agenda about vaping?

I think this is what low key is suggesting. Presumably the studies are done by scientists.

“But so far, Juul has reported funding studies only by the Centre for Substance Use Research, based in Scotland, and collaborating with a few independent laboratories. The Glasgow organization, which has done most of Juul’s outside research, is well known to tobacco control advocates, who have long criticized its studies for playing down the danger of youth addiction to e-cigarettes.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/health/juul-ecigarettes-science.amp.html

 

[BrianL]

Nobody looks cool vaping.

My friends and I have this running joke because we watch old, classic movies a lot - what if they replaced all the smoking with vaping? "Not even Humphrey Bogart can make vaping look cool!"

^The above is not to be construed as that smoking can look cool - it's just a joke.

 

[SensesFailed]

I love that people are making claims with no sources and are just going off what they think and linking correlation to causation. In 2016 the Royal College of Physicians issued a report that broke down most of what people's fears are and even stated "among smokers, e-cigarette use is likely to lead to quit attempts that would not otherwise have happened, and in a proportion of these to successful cessation."

Obviously nothing is better than vaping, but vaping is better than smoking and most people look at it from the view of harm reduction. Basically you want to reduce the amount of harm being done. Obviously I am against kids vaping and all that, but plenty of studies have shown the benefits of vaping over smoking and that is key, when compared to smoking. So if you are going to claim it is more harmful, you might want to back it up with actual sources instead of using nothing.

 

[wgeo]

I think this is what low key is suggesting. Presumably the studies are done by scientists.

“But so far, Juul has reported funding studies only by the Centre for Substance Use Research, based in Scotland, and collaborating with a few independent laboratories. The Glasgow organization, which has done most of Juul’s outside research, is well known to tobacco control advocates, who have long criticized its studies for playing down the danger of youth addiction to e-cigarettes.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/health/juul-ecigarettes-science.amp.html

perhaps I misunderstood him. I took his post to imply that scientists and media have an agenda is saying that vaping is harmful.

Most of the media I have read regarding the current finding of serious lung diseases in teenagers that are vaping are careful to mention that this is only at a level of causation, and that more studies, especially longitudinal ones will be necessary before coming to any firm conclusions.

 

[LSUmiss]

Let’s see how the research plays out. It still looks like it’s more dangerous to get a kid a cellphone between cyber bullying and selfies.

Kids will always find a way to inflict harm on themselves.

Seriously? Among other things, there is no legitimate use for vaping.

 

[SensesFailed]

Seriously? Among other things, there is no legitimate use for vaping.

Yes there is.... to have a safer alternative to smoking or for others, to use it as a means to quit

 

[wgeo]

Yes there is.... to have a safer alternative to smoking or for others, to use it as a means to quit

I think the studies are pretty conflicting on that point.

"Studies about e-cigarettes and smoking behavior show conflicting results. Electronic cigarettes were mildly helpful in kicking the habit in one clinical trial. In other studies, e-cigarette use did not increase quit rates, or was even associated with a higher risk of continuing to smoke. One review concluded that real-world use of e-cigarettes is associated with lower quit rates. "
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/electronic-cigarettes-good-news-bad-news-2016072510010

 

[LSUmiss]

Yes there is.... to have a safer alternative to smoking or for others, to use it as a means to quit

That shouldn’t apply to most teens.

 

[Ellie008]

Most people I know don't smoke/vape. The one person who does has told me that switching to vaping actually increased his consumption. With cigarettes you have a natural stopping point when you reach the end of the cig. Then you chose to either light another or just be done for now. Vaping you can go a lot longer before you run out, so if you are just mindlessly doing it you can go for a long time without really realizing it. I have noticed he will also get it out and just take a couple of puffs at a time when he would not have had enough time to light a cig and smoke it. So, if he were using cigarettes he would not have done anything at those times. Total effect is - more use overall. (Yes, in this one specific case.) I'm just offering a situation where not only is vaping not helping to quit, it is actually making the issue worse.

 

[Sjm9911]

Most people I know don't smoke/vape. The one person who does has told me that switching to vaping actually increased his consumption. With cigarettes you have a natural stopping point when you reach the end of the cig. Then you chose to either light another or just be done for now. Vaping you can go a lot longer before you run out, so if you are just mindlessly doing it you can go for a long time without really realizing it. I have noticed he will also get it out and just take a couple of puffs at a time when he would not have had enough time to light a cig and smoke it. So, if he were using cigarettes he would not have done anything at those times. Total effect is - more use overall. (Yes, in this one specific case.) I'm just offering a situation where not only is vaping not helping to quit, it is actually making the issue worse.

Your confusing quiting smoking with vaping, smoking is much worse as far as my real life study determined. Vaping, while maybe bad, dosent have the same effect of shortness of breath, coughing, snoring, etc. Additionally there are no tar, smoke , residue left behind for second hand contamination. While your freind may vape more, he smokes less. Additionally, he may be reducing the nicotine level in the juice that causes the user to vape more. This is a first hand experience and not a conclusive study. But i smoked for 30+ years. I can tell you the benifits are there.

 

[RamblingMad]

Remember when your parents told you not to do stuff. Kids smoked to rebel.

I think, this will just encourage more kids to vape.

I’m surprised I survived my childhood.

 

[amberpi]

I tried vaping my cbd oil exactly twice - the stuff tastes awful and I hadn’t yet discovered the capsules. I can see the way it could quickly harm the lungs. It felt worse afterwards than before because I couldn’t breathe. I tried it because the cbd really does help me with my pain levels and I’m so resistant to taking opioids. If vaping was the only way to ingest cbd, I’d go on my prescribed pain killers.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I think the studies are pretty conflicting on that point.

"Studies about e-cigarettes and smoking behavior show conflicting results. Electronic cigarettes were mildly helpful in kicking the habit in one clinical trial. In other studies, e-cigarette use did not increase quit rates, or was even associated with a higher risk of continuing to smoke. One review concluded that real-world use of e-cigarettes is associated with lower quit rates. "
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/electronic-cigarettes-good-news-bad-news-2016072510010

From the point of view of what to do about it, those studies aren't really conflicting at all. A cig alternative product that is terrible for you, be it mildly helpful, not helpful, or hurtful in giving up Smoking is a product we should give the same treatment as cigarettes. None of the studies showed the benefit to be nearly enough not to give it the same treatment as cigarettes.

 

[bcla]

Your confusing quiting smoking with vaping, smoking is much worse as far as my real life study determined. Vaping, while maybe bad, dosent have the same effect of shortness of breath, coughing, snoring, etc. Additionally there are no tar, smoke , residue left behind for second hand contamination. While your freind may vape more, he smokes less. Additionally, he may be reducing the nicotine level in the juice that causes the user to vape more. This is a first hand experience and not a conclusive study. But i smoked for 30+ years. I can tell you the benifits are there.

This is intentionally inhaling warmed water vapor, and there are studies that show increased damage to lungs from fluid buildup. Now I'm breathed in stuff like artificial fog that contains the same ingredients including propylene glycol. That's probably not bad in small amounts, but intentionally concentrating it seems like another matter. There have been kids coming down with wet lung infections.

 

[Sjm9911]

I have not sceen these studies, please post them. I have seen a few isolated instances in the news where the user and the doctors blame vaping. But these are kids, and i think are vaping other stuff then what the is manafatured. Otherwise , with sickness starting this quick it would allready be rampent. Im thinking there are more to the news story's then were told. I vaped for 3 years , about 10 years ago, and am back to it now( about a year) as its better then smoking. I dont use PG as im allergic to it. But PG is in everything you eat and use from toothpaste to dish detergent. So i wouldent be overly concerned over that. Vaping by me is only alowed where smoking is alowed, so you dont have to breathe in what im doing? Maybe thats not the same where you live?

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

I love that people are making claims with no sources and are just going off what they think and linking correlation to causation. In 2016 the Royal College of Physicians issued a report that broke down most of what people's fears are and even stated "among smokers, e-cigarette use is likely to lead to quit attempts that would not otherwise have happened, and in a proportion of these to successful cessation."

Obviously nothing is better than vaping, but vaping is better than smoking and most people look at it from the view of harm reduction. Basically you want to reduce the amount of harm being done. Obviously I am against kids vaping and all that, but plenty of studies have shown the benefits of vaping over smoking and that is key, when compared to smoking. So if you are going to claim it is more harmful, you might want to back it up with actual sources instead of using nothing.

I agree with this.
I do not believe there have been peer-reviewed journal articles published about the long-term consequences of vaping - simply because it hasn't been around enough to do long-term studies. Anything someone says or writes right now is pure hypothesis. Anecdotal evidence is not scientific data.