Update on BLT and THV!

[kimberh]

BLT is too rich for my blood. I guess I'll wait for the 7 month window on this one.

 

[drakethib]

If we told you, we'd have to....

Wait.

Deep Croaker.

Deep Throat (Nixon, not porn...you pervs for thinking that).

I think I may be putting 2 and 2 together.

What a dummy I am sometimes. (Maybe still)

 

[chatchdvc]

 

[CarolA]

The fact that they are inside DVC doesn't necessarily mean they know anything more than we do. I have a hard time believing that Disney is being incredibly tight lipped, but one of the few people who knows anything is willing to share it with some guy he knows will publish it on the internet.

I think if you read through the "information" posted at the top of this thread, you'll see the inside source is guessing just like the rest of us.

I am sticking with this source. He's right a LOT more then anyone else has ever been on here.

(And if you knew how MANY points this guy has you might realize one reason they put up with this.. Some guide has made a fortune LOL!)

 

[robind]

6) The original Maximum Point Allowcation Chart has been deemed too generous..... Watch for a new higher chart to post *BEFORE* DVC BLT sales are announced. It seemed too good to be true......

Hope this isn't too dumb a question but what is a Maximum Point Allocation Chart?

 

[MrDVC]

Don't believe what you read on the internet folks.

So, we can assume that any previous and future posts of yours are not to be believed?

Deep Croaker has been spot on in the past. IMO Deep Croaker is one of the higher ups in DVC management, or possibly an administrative assistant to one. The info is too good and accurate to not be inside information.

 

[cidhw95]

whats THV

 

[itsreally4mommy]

WOW! Such a steep price per point hike PLUS higher point requirements is pretty brave on Disney's part w/everyone nervous over the economy.

Call me crazy, but if monorail is such a big deal could it be cheaper in the end to occasionally use your points on a regular room at the current monorail resorts?

 

[noname70]

7 month window is looking pretty good right now.......

 

[MrDVC]

whats THV

Tree House Villas

 

[RobDoc]

Regarding the comment about the predicted price increase - if it truly is similar to the increase when BCV sales began it may be far lower than $10 per point.

In June, 2001, the price per point for DVC (VWL was selling at that time) was $75.

BCV sales began on February 3, 2002 - still at $75 per point (no increase at all when BCV sales began). MS began accepting BVC reservations for owners in March, 2002. (DVC "stopped" VWL sales on February 2, 2002 - but continued to sell available points.)

In June, 2002 the price was raised to $80 per point and another price increase came 6 months later - to $84 per point. This increase was announced in October, 2002 and began in December.

The next increase came in August, 2003 - after BCV had already sold out and SSR sales began at $89 per point.

BCV saw a total price increase of $9 per point over the life of it's active sales from March, 2002 until August, 2003 but there was no increase at all when sales began.

The largest past single increase has been $6 per point. On August 4, 2003 the price was raised (by $5) to $89 when sales began at SSR. SSR opened in May, 2004 and also in May, 2004 the price was increased (by $6) to $95 per point. SSR has seen the largest increase, to date, over the life of it's sales history - beginning at $89 and ending at $104 - an increase of $15 per point.

As of now, we have not had a price increase since March, 2007 when it increased to it's current $104 per point. IMO, we are certainly due for an increase.

I suspect that the economy has played some role in the lack of any increase in the past 16 months. It will be interesting to see what sort of increase will be next.

 

[roadtripper]

Regarding the comment about the predicted price increase - if it truly is similar to the increase when BCV sales began it may be far lower than $10 per point.

In June, 2001, the price per point for DVC (VWL was selling at that time) was $75.

BCV sales began in March , 2002 - still at $75 per point (no increase at all when BCV sales began).

We bought into BCV (as new members) in Feb 2002 at 70pp after incentives, if I recall correctly. Can that be right, or is that just what I told DH it was?

 

[RobDoc]

We bought into BCV (as new members) in Feb 2002 at 70pp after incentives, if I recall correctly. Can that be right, or is that just what I told DH it was?

The $70 number - including incentives - is entirely possible but the raw price per point was definitely at $75 without any incentives. As for the start date of sales, March is the date we've had listed here on the DIS for years now , but I suppose someone could have a February purchase date. You can verify the date by looking at the Orange County records at https://officialrecords.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/docSearch.jsp .

If you find a date earlier than March, 2002 for your purchase at BCV please report back!

Edited to add: I researched old posts here on the DIS (not an easy task) and found this one from February 3, 2002- when sales did begin at BCV at $75 per point. There is also some information/discussion about the incentives offered then. Thanks for the correction, Roadtripper!

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=154520

 

[jade1]

We bought into BCV (as new members) in Feb 2002 at 70pp after incentives, if I recall correctly. Can that be right, or is that just what I told DH it was?

It was $5 off of $75 ($70), or a certain number of nights in a deluxe. Ours says we paid $70, and somehow got the first years points which we rented.

 

[zalansky]

So, can anyone confirm CM's are no longer eligible for a DVC discount as of today?

 

[Greg K.]

The $70 number - including incentives - is entirely possible but the raw price per point was definitely at $75 without any incentives. As for the start date of sales, March is the date we've had listed here on the DIS for years now , but I suppose someone could have a February purchase date. You can verify the date by looking at the Orange County records at https://officialrecords.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/docSearch.jsp .

How's this:

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[RobDoc]

We bought into BCV (as new members) in Feb 2002 at 70pp after incentives, if I recall correctly. Can that be right, or is that just what I told DH it was?

I just wanted to report that roadtripper was indeed correct. Sales began for BCV on February 3, 2002 at $75 per point - plus an available $5 incentive. I looked back at old DIS threads from early 2002 (not an easy task) and found this thread (among others) - from that date outlining the new incentives.

VWL sales "ended" on February 2, 2002 (although they did continue on for a few more months) and BCV sales began the next day. In March (6th?), MS began accepting reservations from BCV owners for dates in August, 2002 when the resort officially opened.

Here is a link to the thread from 2/3/02 BCV Sales Begin

Thanks to roadtripper for the correction!

 

[jarestel]

There are plenty of folks who will pay $120+ pp for monorail rides and the ability to hoof it to MK. Don't kid yourselves, BLT will sell very quickly. And in a few years when DVC prices are higher, it will seem like a bargain.

BTW, if a posted rumor comes to pass within the approximate timeline, I would consider the poster to be fairly reliable.

 

[bookwormde]

Jarestel

This is what I thought 3 months ago, but as the economy softens further 1st time purchase will suffer (particularly with the likely $20,000+ starting point). Being on the monorail is a strong draw only for those who have looked before and decided not to buy and existing members who have been waiting. Of the existing members those who have been considering purchases for less than a weeks worth of points for the accommodation they like, and who are aware of the new booking rules, will certainly be having second thoughts. Even some of those who would buy full week +, amounts of points and were going to by it in several small contracts for resale purposes will be given pause that small contract may not have the previous allure. This is particularly an issue with the extreme high demand that is likely to be maintained for a significant portion of the year initially.

It is only a guess but I would think that 1/3 to ½ of the points sold in the first 3 months would fall I the 2 questioning groups I mentioned above. If only ½ decide to delay or not to purchase at all that is a big impact on initial sales.

Anecdotally virtually everyone who is a small contract considerer has stated that it does not make much sense with the new booking rules.

I am one who will no longer consider BLT or any other add on.

I guess we will see in a couple of months.

bookwormde

 

[jarestel]

This is what I thought 3 months ago, but as the economy softens further 1st time purchase will suffer (particularly with the likely $20,000+ starting point). Being on the monorail is a strong draw only for those who have looked before and decided not to buy and existing members who have been waiting. Of the existing members those who have been considering purchases for less than a weeks worth of points for the accommodation they like, and who are aware of the new booking rules, will certainly be having second thoughts. Even some of those who would buy full week +, amounts of points and were going to by it in several small contracts for resale purposes will be given pause that small contract may not have the previous allure. This is particularly an issue with the extreme high demand that is likely to be maintained for a significant portion of the year initially.

It is only a guess but I would think that 1/3 to ½ of the points sold in the first 3 months would fall I the 2 questioning groups I mentioned above. If only ½ decide to delay or not to purchase at all that is a big impact on initial sales.

Anecdotally virtually everyone who is a small contract considerer has stated that it does not make much sense with the new booking rules.

I am one who will no longer consider BLT or any other add on.

I guess we will see in a couple of months.

bookwormde

Like you, I wouldn't consider BLT, but only because I don't care for the Contemporary Resort. However, don't underestimate the number of folks who think monorail transportation & walking to theme parks is the be all and end all of DVC nirvana.

Small add-ons at resorts for existing members are pretty much a drop in the bucket as far as total sales go. I still think many small add-ons will occur but whether they do or don't, BLT will still be a "hot" property.