Uhm....Bahamas is now requiring vaccinations for all passengers over 12..

[jjb1974]

Disney listens to their shareholders.

I'm not confident Disney is making money on a boat running at 25% capacity. If they are, congrats to them.

 

[orum]

Not sure that Congress can easily override the employment visa issue. A cruise to nowhere isn't a PVSA issue so much as it's an employment visa issue under current law and legal precedent.

Do you have a pointer to more info on the employment issue? I am confused on why this one any just a PVSA issue. If it was an employment issue wouldn’t that have required additional changes for Alaska too? Congress passed a waiver of PVSA for Alaska this season and I haven’t seen any mention about employment/visa issues there.

 

[tvguy]

It is dumb to say its the customers fault for wanting to go on a cruise so all the poor communication, decisions, and slow decisions are on the customer. Its on Disney not the customer.

If Disney was communicative about what they were thinking people wouldn't have had as many issues with final decisions being delayed. Disney again made a poor decision to hide all information until they dropped all the changes at a single time (and then still had to update their policies 16 times because of omissions, changes, and errors). Example you can't tell me they decided everything at a single time, they could have been releasing information on changes as they were decided.

Also "got burned" as in being ill prepared and slow at making decisions. A country requiring vaccination is hardly "getting burned" its called be prepared for that potential with what options you might go with next. On this forum months and months ago there was discussion about Caribbean countries and the potential of vaccination requirements.

I don't know, after cruising 41 years you can't book a cruise with blinders on. I guess we can agree to disagree on whether and how much responsibility customers have to be aware that things can happen to disrupt your cruise. People get upset if they miss Castaway Cay due to weather, but they should know that is a possibility there, and with any port or circumstance beyond a cruise line's control. It's all in your documents. And the Bahamas vaccine requirement is no different than what we all face in our lives outside requirements, where restaurants and work places are requiring vaccines.

 

[icc2515]

Do you have a pointer to more info on the employment issue? I am confused on why this one any just a PVSA issue. If it was an employment issue wouldn’t that have required additional changes for Alaska too? Congress passed a waiver of PVSA for Alaska this season and I haven’t seen any mention about employment/visa issues there.

A ship leaving and returning to a US port without stopping in another country would essentially need all the crew to be US citizens or have employment visas allowing them to work in the US. Most importantly they would fall under the same labor laws as everybody else in the US. LIke overtime and benefits. Not going to happen. It is a slippery slope to allow this exception the next thing you know Disney would be bringing in foreign labor to replace their IT department.

 

[icc2515]

People get upset if they miss Castaway Cay due to weather, but they should know that is a possibility there, and with any port or circumstance beyond a cruise line's control. It's all in your documents.

At least when you miss Castaway you can look forward to things like deck parties, pirate day, the kids can enjoy their clubs, plenty of pool activities, oh wait....

 

[icc2515]

I'm not confident Disney is making money on a boat running at 25% capacity. If they are, congrats to them.

Apparently RC can make money at 50% and Disney is about 3 times the price so maybe they can.

 

[tvguy]

At least when you miss Castaway you can look forward to things like deck parties, pirate day, the kids can enjoy their clubs, plenty of pool activities, oh wait....

True I guess depending on what you take of advantage of on a cruise. We did attend a New Year's Eve party in the Atrium, but never found time for the pools, my 16 year old had no interest in the kids clubs, and my 12 year old did attend a music trivia contest in the kids club and was appalled that the Castmember running it got trivia wrong about the Beatles..............

 

[sethschroeder]

And the Bahamas vaccine requirement is no different than what we all face in our lives outside requirements, where restaurants and work places are requiring vaccines.

And?

That has nothing to do with Disney not releasing an update in information or policy by now.

I guess we can agree to disagree on whether and how much responsibility customers have to be aware that things can happen to disrupt your cruise.

And?

People should expect things to change. The whole point is Disney doesn't communicate and takes long periods to release any information.

Again this is on Disney not the customer that no information is being released.

If people were upset about changes or policies being adjusted as time went by that would be on the customer.

 

[icc2515]

True I guess depending on what you take of advantage of on a cruise. We did attend a New Year's Eve party in the Atrium, but never found time for the pools, my 16 year old had no interest in the kids clubs, and my 12 year old did attend a music trivia contest in the kids club and was appalled that the Castmember running it got trivia wrong about the Beatles..............

Right, that's the nice thing about a cruise. My thing is sitting in the adult pool enjoying the drink of the day occasionally going to the walk up restaurant to get a bowl of fruit.

 

[orum]

A ship leaving and returning to a US port without stopping in another country would essentially need all the crew to be US citizens or have employment visas allowing them to work in the US. Most importantly they would fall under the same labor laws as everybody else in the US. LIke overtime and benefits. Not going to happen. It is a slippery slope to allow this exception the next thing you know Disney would be bringing in foreign labor to replace their IT department.

But that is what is happening in Alaska now with a suspension of the PVSA. I have seen people point out labor law issues in addition to the PVSA, but I haven’t seen any articles beyond the PVSA.


I also don’t think they should do this exemption for the Caribbean, because it isn’t as necessary as the Alaska situation. I just wanted to read more about issues beyond PVSA.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Do you have a pointer to more info on the employment issue? I am confused on why this one any just a PVSA issue. If it was an employment issue wouldn’t that have required additional changes for Alaska too? Congress passed a waiver of PVSA for Alaska this season and I haven’t seen any mention about employment/visa issues there.

They were banned in 2014 after a Supreme Court case, based on the CBP's interpretation of the D-1 visa. They were legal prior to that, actually.

The easy to read references you can look at are at

https://www.travelpulse.com/news/cruise/say-farewell-to-cruises-to-nowhere.html
and

https://www.travelpulse.com/news/cruise/customs-explains-end-of-cruises-to-nowhere.html
To be honest, the D-1 visa issue may exist with that PVSA exception as well, but it may have been overlooked.

I find a waiver (and CBP covering their eyes) far less likely in the Caribbean, as the AK exception was to benefit the AK ports. an exception in the Caribbean would be solely to benefit foreign flagged cruise lines, with the added factor that many of these ships are flagged Bahamas and the restrictions that are biting them are Bahamian.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

And?

That has nothing to do with Disney not releasing an update in information or policy by now.

And this thread is about the Bahamas requiring vaccinations for all passengers 12+. Not about how DCL is or is not keeping people informed as to how they're going to handle it.

 

[orum]

They were banned in 2014 after a Supreme Court case, based on the CBP's interpretation of the D-1 visa. They were legal prior to that, actually.

The easy to read references you can look at are at

https://www.travelpulse.com/news/cruise/say-farewell-to-cruises-to-nowhere.html
and

https://www.travelpulse.com/news/cruise/customs-explains-end-of-cruises-to-nowhere.html
To be honest, the D-1 visa issue may exist with that PVSA exception as well, but it may have been overlooked.

I find a waiver (and CBP covering their eyes) far less likely in the Caribbean, as the AK exception was to benefit the AK ports. an exception in the Caribbean would be solely to benefit foreign flagged cruise lines, with the added factor that many of these ships are flagged Bahamas and the restrictions that are biting them are Bahamian.

Thanks. I was wondering why there was a straightforward way to do it in Alaska. It must have something to do with the fact that the Alaska ones don’t go “nowhere “, but go to other US ports in Alaska.

it would be interesting if a Port Canaveral to Miami or another US state would satisfy that if Congress passed a similar waiver for the PVSA.

Thanks

 

[tvguy]

And?

That has nothing to do with Disney not releasing an update in information or policy by now.




And?

People should expect things to change. The whole point is Disney doesn't communicate and takes long periods to release any information.

Again this is on Disney not the customer that no information is being released.

If people were upset about changes or policies being adjusted as time went by that would be on the customer.

Well, we are now 27 hours after the Bahamas issued their emergency order on Vaccines for cruise ships. I don't find that a long period of time to release information.

 

[icc2515]

I find a waiver (and CBP covering their eyes) far less likely in the Caribbean, as the AK exception was to benefit the AK ports. an exception in the Caribbean would be solely to benefit foreign flagged cruise lines, with the added factor that many of these ships are flagged Bahamas and the restrictions that are biting them are Bahamian.

You hit the nail on the head. Allowing closed loop cruises only benefits cruise lines and virtually all of them are foreign companies. Almost all the crew is foreign.

 

[SusanKey]

I booked through Costco and have yet to receive an email from DCL. I called Costco and they confirmed my information and said everything looked good on their end. I called DCL and they told me that Costco had never entered my email or physical address on their end so Disney could see it. If I hadn’t called I wouldn’t get my luggage tags let alone emails. I can easily see how people don’t know what the latest rules are. Lesson learned, I’m booking with Dreams next time!

The same thing happened to me.

 

[icc2515]

Well, we are now 27 hours after the Bahamas issued their emergency order on Vaccines for cruise ships. I don't find that a long period of time to release information.

Got some transposition errors there. Plus all the other cruise lines have already responded to this. Most by the end of business on Friday. Disney is notorious for burying their head in the sand and not releasing information.

 

[tvguy]

Got some transposition errors there. Plus all the other cruise lines have already responded to this. Most by the end of business on Friday. Disney is notorious for burying their head in the sand and not releasing information.

Okay. LOL.

 

[jrapps]

Well, we are now 27 hours after the Bahamas issued their emergency order on Vaccines for cruise ships. I don't find that a long period of time to release information.

Its a problem when the order goes into effect as fast as it does, and impacts cruises set to sail in 11 days.

Every other cruise line responded within hours. Not Days

And where did you get 27 hours from? They announced on Thursday. It is now Sunday.

 

[tvguy]

Its a problem when the order goes into effect as fast as it does, and impacts cruises set to sail in 11 days.

Every other cruise line responded within hours. Not Days

Aren't these other lines the ones with their own vaccine protocols in place