Two ships collided in Cozumel this morning...

This confirms my decision not to take a Carnival Cruise.

Your choice... (IMO, Carnival cruises are pretty awesome... Especially on the new ships!)

Look, it's possible that it was due to a bad manoeuvre from the port team (not necessarily Carnival, they have someone coming on board for the "parking" of the ship)... but high winds and high current conditions are currently the explanation for the incident.
 
That is the pilot, they are employed by the port and come on board to guide the officers. And I do not think the ship was on auto-pilot. That would be ridiculous. However, some bad judgment calls were made. (high wind or not)

I did not know they called them "pilot". Thank you. :)
 

This confirms my decision not to take a Carnival Cruise.
Correlation does not imply causation. I doubt that every Carnival captain and every Cozumel harbour pilot is looking to smush their boat into another one.

You probably have other reasons to not cruise on Carnival, and that's perfectly fine. But this should not be one of them.

I would cuss too!!! You would heard a lot of "caaaalissss" and "tabarnacccc" !!! (I'm French Canadian.) :rotfl2:
A while back I worked with a Montrealer so often that I was starting to use the French-Canadian swear words.
 
Is this just for Cozumel specifically? How do they get aboard - tender?
Every port has pilots who are on the bridge when ships come into and leave port. They are brought aboard by a pilot boat that meets the ship, and they depart via the same boat.
 
Your choice... (IMO, Carnival cruises are pretty awesome... Especially on the new ships!)

Look, it's possible that it was due to a bad manoeuvre from the port team (not necessarily Carnival, they have someone coming on board for the "parking" of the ship)... but high winds and high current conditions are currently the explanation for the incident.
Captain is responsible for that ship irrespective of the pilot being on board. From the accountability perspective, he is responsible whether he’s on the bridge, at the time of collision or not.

I kniw you have a soft spot for Carnival, but they have a history of hiring boat Captains with subpar performance and poor decision making: optics vs safety. Costa is a Carnival company, lest anyone forgets.
 
Awww, the Glory was DH & I's first cruise together! But I just read a CNN article that said multiple passengers didn't even realize they had collided or just felt a slight jolt. It also states that high winds & currents were a factor.The damage looks horrible, but I assume when you're in a vehicle that large, maybe it looks worse than it felt? It also states that neither sailing will be majorly affected. Maybe they'll just be down a dining room? Just happy that no one was seriously injured!

This confirms my decision not to take a Carnival Cruise.

That's too bad. We've enjoyed every one we've been on. But you do remember when the Disney Dream hit the dock in Nassau, right? Accidents can happen on any cruise ship.
 
Captain is responsible for that ship irrespective of the pilot being on board. From the accountability perspective, he is responsible whether he’s on the bridge, at the time of collision or not.

I kniw you have a soft spot for Carnival, but they have a history of hiring boat Captains with subpar performance and poor decision making: optics vs safety. Costa is a Carnival company, lest anyone forgets.

The highest number of ships a company have (ex: Carnival Corp 102 vs DCL 4), the stronger the chances of seeing incidents happen. While I have not seen pro rata numbers regarding incidents, the odds of having something happening during a sailing are obviously pretty low, regardless of the Cruise Line you'd choose to sail with.
 
welllllllll no one has the complete right answer .. cuz there isn't one!

I'm gonna speak in very general terms:

all commercial ports have pilots (it is an OLD profession) ..... country laws require ships use local PILOTS. As I mentioned the relationship between the captain/master gets complicated but TECHNICALLY the pilot is 'just an adviser' which local law requires the master to have on board.

Many times the Mater doesn't do the actual 'driving', either hands on the controls or what's called 'having the conn'. The person with the conn has the masters permission to issue orders directly to the person who may be handling the controls (helmsman) or may have actual 'hands on' the controls. No matter who has the conn, the master is responsible ... THAT'S LAW. Deciding to ignore a pilot is a high risk action but it happens, sometimes with good reason. Giving the pilot the conn happens but not always. Every situation is different. I've had pilot come aboard who didn't speak a word of english and others come aboard drunk, and others who came aboard, collected their fee and found a chair and said and did nothing until it was time to get off!

In some ports there are different pilots for different parts of the evolution. In San Francisco one pilot is responsible for entering the Bay, depending on where you are going a different pilot may come on board - Sacramento pilot- and often a special docking pilot is employed. It depends. Last time I was in Coz they had only 'harbor pilots' and not docking pilots. Docking pilots are common when tugs are the norm and Coz' has few tugs as there is little commercial freight traffic. When a docking pilot and tugs are used the ship is usually sitting 'dead', everything in neutral .... but the master is STILL RESPONSIBLE!!!!

https://www.marineinsight.com/careers-2/maritime-pilot-and-his-duties/
 
One of the two ships was suppose to dock here yesterday (Roatan) but could not due to winds. It has been crazy the past two days and expected to stick around til Monday night for us; I wonder what those on the ships that sail south for warmer weather do for excursions on days like now. Lots of lost revenue for the destinations.
 
Accidents happen, glad no one was hurt seriously.

For one, I will be on the Legend in a few weeks, and so hope those winds in the Western Gulf are not when we are there.
 
welllllllll no one has the complete right answer .. cuz there isn't one!

I'm gonna speak in very general terms:

all commercial ports have pilots (it is an OLD profession) ..... country laws require ships use local PILOTS. As I mentioned the relationship between the captain/master gets complicated but TECHNICALLY the pilot is 'just an adviser' which local law requires the master to have on board.

Many times the Mater doesn't do the actual 'driving', either hands on the controls or what's called 'having the conn'. The person with the conn has the masters permission to issue orders directly to the person who may be handling the controls (helmsman) or may have actual 'hands on' the controls. No matter who has the conn, the master is responsible ... THAT'S LAW. Deciding to ignore a pilot is a high risk action but it happens, sometimes with good reason. Giving the pilot the conn happens but not always. Every situation is different. I've had pilot come aboard who didn't speak a word of english and others come aboard drunk, and others who came aboard, collected their fee and found a chair and said and did nothing until it was time to get off!

In some ports there are different pilots for different parts of the evolution. In San Francisco one pilot is responsible for entering the Bay, depending on where you are going a different pilot may come on board - Sacramento pilot- and often a special docking pilot is employed. It depends. Last time I was in Coz they had only 'harbor pilots' and not docking pilots. Docking pilots are common when tugs are the norm and Coz' has few tugs as there is little commercial freight traffic. When a docking pilot and tugs are used the ship is usually sitting 'dead', everything in neutral .... but the master is STILL RESPONSIBLE!!!!

https://www.marineinsight.com/careers-2/maritime-pilot-and-his-duties/

So if the story that it was on autopilot is true, that is a major no-no.
 

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