Two on jet ski almost run over by Carnival Magic at PC

[Neptune's Fork]

I don't know if anyone has seen this story on the Carnival Magic almost ran over a couple girls that fell off their jet ski right in the path of the oncoming Magic this past Saurday. There's youtube video and a few news stories about it today. These girls were pulled out of the water by a Sheriff's boat literally seconds before they would have been run over, as you can see in the video.

I know we have a couple maritime people here so I was wondering if these girls would have been run over, would that have affected the ships departure? Would they have had to close the channel for a period of time after that? Or would the Magic just have kept on going? Just wondering what the protocol requirements are for such incidents.

 

[BuzzLightyearInTampa]

I've seen idiots like that buzzing around the Disney ships also. A cruise ship on the water is like a train, neither are stopping anytime soon so you better not go in front of one.

 

[Taylor F.]

I've seen idiots like that buzzing around the Disney ships also. A cruise ship on the water is like a train, neither are stopping anytime soon so you better not go in front of one.

This. Completely. No one "deserves" bodily harm, but you also can't discount that fact that they shouldn't have been near the path of a cruise ship. Like - that close? Really?

 

[Dug720]

This. Completely. No one "deserves" bodily harm, but you also can't discount that fact that they shouldn't have been near the path of a cruise ship. Like - that close? Really?

Darwin Awards candidates for sure.

 

[wilkeliza]

I don't know if anyone has seen this story by the Carnival Magic almost ran over a couple girls that fell off their jet ski right in the path of the oncoming Magic this past Saurday. There's youtube video and a few news stories about it today. These girls were pulled out of the water by a Sheriff's boat literally seconds before they would have been run over, as you can see in the video.

I know we have a couple maritime people here so I was wondering if these girls would have been run over, would that have affected the ships departure? Would they have had to close the channel for a period of time after that? Or would the Magic just have kept on going? Just wondering what the protocol requirements are for such incidents.

I'm sure if it happens the cruise ship would try to stop as quickly as possible but as PP said they are like trains and semi-trucks. As soon as possible for a cruise ship may just be the terminal. At that point yest the port would probably close during the investigation and it would mess up everyone's day not just that particular boat. The girls would have most likely been killed either threw impact or drowning.

 

[cgolf]

Also curious if the Jetski they didn't pull out of the way could damage the thrusters/props on the ship? Definitely not the brightest people in the world, but great job by the water cop. Was almost rooting for him to give them wedgies to pull them in quicker, would have served them right

 

[RHSTigerMom]

The story from the Orlando station reported the following:
"The Brevard County Sheriff’s Office said Deputy Tanner Primmer was providing a security escort for the Carnival Magic when two young women were flipped off a nearby jet ski. Wind pushed both women into the channel of the port, into the direct path of the cruise ship."

It doesn't sound like they intentionally aimed for the ship.

 

[Taylor F.]

The story from the Orlando station reported the following:
"The Brevard County Sheriff’s Office said Deputy Tanner Primmer was providing a security escort for the Carnival Magic when two young women were flipped off a nearby jet ski. Wind pushed both women into the channel of the port, into the direct path of the cruise ship."

It doesn't sound like they intentionally aimed for the ship.

This makes me feel better.

 

[carolinagirl121]

Anytime there is an incident, there will be an investigation to assign fault. I'm not sure how long the ship would have been retained in port, but it likely would have caused delay. If the young ladies had not be pulled from the water, I would imagine there would be a resultant search and rescue effort that could delay other ships. But judging from sea state and visibility and the number of other small boats in the area, I doubt it would have taken very long, especially if air assets were quickly used.

Any thing that goes under or strikes the ship has the potential to cause damage, but unless it was completely drug under, the jet ski probably would have just run down the side of the ship.

 

[Dug720]

The story from the Orlando station reported the following:
"The Brevard County Sheriff’s Office said Deputy Tanner Primmer was providing a security escort for the Carnival Magic when two young women were flipped off a nearby jet ski. Wind pushed both women into the channel of the port, into the direct path of the cruise ship."

It doesn't sound like they intentionally aimed for the ship.

If it was that windy though, they should have been nowhere near the canal entrance at the time ships are leaving.

 

[Maggie'sMom]

The story I link to below indicates they were in the channel before they flipped.

More details were added to the pilot association's website Sunday.

According to the association's posting, Port Canaveral Harbor Pilot Capt. Doug Brown was navigating the 130,000-ton Carnival Cruise Line's Magic out of the Florida port into the Atlantic Ocean when he noticed a personal water craft with two women on board within the ship channel near the jetties.

Brown quickly alerted Brevard County Sheriff's Deputy Taner Primmer, who was operating the sheriff's marine unit patrol boat escorting the departing cruise ship. Primmer headed toward the jet skiers when one of the water craft flipped and both of its riders ended up in the water "in extremely close proximity to the bow of the ship now bearing down on their position."

Brown, working with the captain and bridge team of the Carnival Magic, maneuvered the vessel away from the boaters while Primmer pulled both of them aboard his patrol vessel and quickly reversed the boat out of danger.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/nation-now/2017/03/12/carnival-cruise-ship-jet-skiers/99101270/

 

[Neptune's Fork]

Yeah I was going to say, as a boater, you are responsible for taking into account the conditions and operating your craft in such a way so as not to endanger others or yourself. And yes, jet skis have to follow boating rules too. One news story was reporting the girls were from WV, so my guess is they were down there for spring break and were renting the jet skis. Don't know what happened to the jet ski but I wonder if it was destroyed and those girls had to pay for it. That would be a costly mistake on their part. First to come within seconds from getting killed, then getting a hefty bill.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Yeah I was going to say, as a boater, you are responsible for taking into account the conditions and operating your craft in such a way so as not to endanger others or yourself. And yes, jet skis have to follow boating rules too. One news story was reporting the girls were from WV, so my guess is they were down there for spring break and were renting the jet skis. Don't know what happened to the jet ski but I wonder if it was destroyed those girls and to pay for it. That would be a costly mistake on their part. First to come within seconds from getting killed, then getting a hefty bill.

If they rented it, and crashed it, they would pay for it. Unless there's some sort of insurance that they could buy as part of the rental (like for a rental car).

 

[Capt_BJ]

altho this made for some drama and interesting video

IMO it is highly unlikely that they would have been injured and probably would not have even come in contact with the ship. I have on many occasions tried to INTENTIONALLY run down a 'vessel' larger than a waverunner and in every case the bow wave pushes the item out of the way ... up to a point of course. In the unlikely case that the people were very close along side as the ship passed one would simply slow or stop the screws for a few seconds as the stern passed them to totally eliminate the mythical 'suction'. As part of routine man overboard drills we'd drop "oscar" a man sized/shaped dummy with a life vest over the side and NEVER ONCE was he sucked into the screws .... and on my ships the screws were not nearly as 'deep' as they are on a cruise ship. In fact, getting 'oscar' along side close enuf to do a 'ship pickup' ... getting him/it within a couple of yards .... is DIFFICULT as the bow wave and prop wash keeps pushing AWAY from the ship.

(during my CG time in the Carib' I MANY TIMES interdicted small vessels with folks from various places with the intention of entering the US by sea. These 'vessels' were often small and made by hand and unseaworthy ... after we got the folks off the 'vessel' was deemed a hazard to navigation and preferred course of action was sinking it. It was not unusual to sink drug runner boats back in the 80's too. Sinking a 50 foot long sail boat made of mahogany {typical Haitian sailboat} is not as easy as it looks. Getting one to burn is NOT easy and then they typically burn to the water line and the remains stay afloat. They can soak up hundreds of rounds of .50 machine gun and float very happily. A good ramming SMACK can break 'em in half IF you get a lucky broadside hit with sufficient speed. Too slow or an angled hit and they just would slide down the side of the ship. It was a GOOD exercise for junior officers learning ship handling tho)

Does make me wonder about the value of the 'escort vessel' supposedly providing a security function for the cruise ship exiting the port. Remember the USS COLE? Security in this case was not able to keep a couple of kids away from the ship ... and they hadn't 'planned an attack' .... food for thought ....

 

[truck1]

I know we have a couple maritime people here so I was wondering if these girls would have been run over, would that have affected the ships departure? Would they have had to close the channel for a period of time after that? Or would the Magic just have kept on going? Just wondering what the protocol requirements are for such incidents.

Worst case scenario, more then likely the ship would have been delayed for any number of reasons. Anytime theres an incident that involves a ships, the CG will gets involved. To what degree all depends on the situation. (for example, the Celebrity Summit that got near the guys dock in FtL. CG looked, saw the ship was under positive control the whole time, never contacted the bottom, and was always in the channel, case closed with in minutes) At worst, the bridge crew will all get drug tested, interviewed, and the ships data logs will get pulled. This will paint a picture of who said what, when, where, how, and what the ship was doing, where it was, speed, location in the channel etc. All of this will be going on while whoever does recoveries for Brevard County searches. In that theres 2 choices. 1st, depending on time of day, boats with side scan sonar will look. If they find anything of interest, it gets gps marked, and a dive team will enter the water. Option 2, is the wait and see what pops up and where. It all varies by agency, time of day, location, whos in charge and in what mood, time of year.............They may also do a cursory exam of the ship, as there are any number of protrusions and intakes on a ship that could catch an object on the way by.

Assuming in this case, the ship actually strikes and sinks the jet ski for example, and theres suspected damage, the ship reports it to the CG and the CG team and the ships engineers will give the ship a once over, and a determination will be made as to whether the ship can continue, or it would need to stay in port, or if divers need to meet the ship at her next stop.

Realistically, theres no real clear cut answer as every situation is different and each response will be different.

In this case, the spotters on the Magic had already seen what happened, and notified the bridge. What isn't told in most news stories, is the harbor pilot and the Capt , already had the bow moving away from the accident. The bow was moving to stbd on the way out, to pass the ski, on her port side which also had the effect of both moving the ship away, and also letting the wind push the ski away from the ship. The pilot boat which was leading the way, had also turned and was coming back to assist also. I'm not taking away from the Deputy, because he did an outstanding job by himself.

The bigger question is, why are the deputies on the boats by themselves. In any different situation, things could have gone much worse. For example. What would have happened if the ds got pulled over the side due to conditions?

 

[Neptune's Fork]

Thanks guys, that's great information you've provided as usual. What likely happened to the jet ski? Those people's comments seemed to say it went under when the ship hit it. And what would the Sheriffs do once they took the kids ashore?

 

[hanscarlet]

The video is incredible. GO SHERIFF! Man he gets both those girls in and gets that boat the hell out of the way, nice hustle! I really appreciated the speed with how quick the boat moves - it seems like it moved quickly while at sea but when the video begins, they seem so far away and to think how quickly the boat moved.... and totally agree with others, my first reaction was, "who jetskis in PC especially around 4:30 when the ships are leaving?"

 

[Dug720]

Adding to the "weird stuff on/around ships"...

Apparently today a college kid jumped off the fathom Adonia per someone on the whip who witnessed it. Guy ran through the spa yelling, went onto the Spa Terrace, climbed over the barrier and jumped - then proceeded to try and swim away from the rescue boat (the Adonia makes the Magic look big...I guess that's one advantage to a smaller ship if you go over...more likely to survive) and fight them when they did get him in. I'm guessing this is either he WANTED to end it or he took something illegal and had a bad reaction.

 

[truck1]

Thanks guys, that's great information you've provided as usual. What likely happened to the jet ski? Those people's comments seemed to say it went under when the ship hit it. And what would the Sheriffs do once they took the kids ashore?

There was another video from one of the local stations that showed the aftermath so to speak and it sounds like the jet ski just bumped down the side of the Magic. From the same video, it looked like the SO boat and pilot boat were both waiting on the Magic to clear the area to recover it. We have 2 skis that are very similar to the one in the video and they are incredibly buoyant, even upside down and or full of water. It takes a little know how and weight in the right spots to reflip an upside down ski. Ask me how I know.

As far as what happened to the kids or the ski, since on the surface it looks like a combination of bad luck and coincidence, probably nothing. The ds might go to the vendor and check paperwork and a cursory investigation but it probably ended there.

Btw, is anyone else having issues with the board hanging up while trying to type? Been having that problem both on my phone and laptop the last couple of days.

 

[truck1]

Adding to the "wried stuff on/around ships"...

Apparently today a college kid jumped off the fathom Adonia per someone on the whip who witnessed it. Guy ran through the spa yelling, went onto the Spa Terrace, climbed over the barrier and jumped - then proceeded to try and swim away from the rescue boat (the Adonia makes the Magic look big...I guess that's one advantage to a smaller ship if you go over...more likely to survive) and fight them when they did get him in. I'm guessing this is either he WANTED to end it or he took something illegal and had a bad reaction.

Been there done that before but in a lake. On 2 different occasions. Had a guy jump in a lake and try and swim to the other side after fighting everyone at a party. He got picked up by SO after a brief fight. Other guy at night jumped in the same lake and kept saying he wanted to die. Until he realized he wasn't alone in the lake.

Alcohol is a funny thing. It reacts differently in different people especially those on prescription meds or illegal drugs. You never know how its going to react until it does.