Tux on semi-formal night? What are M & M wearing that night?

[PinClubs]

Originally posted by Lisa F

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It may sound a little selfish to you, but the "I'm going to do what I want to do" attitude regardless of the atmosphere and experience that 3000 other cruisers bought into sounds a LOT selfish to me.
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You are absolutely right, but considering that you give me no dining options except cafeteria stlye dining - hot dogs, hamburgers, etc I think you are being unreasonable.

I am currently on the phone with Disney Cruise lines complaining about this issue. I don't care if you have formal night every night, but sharing the restaurants would be just a nice thing to do.

Jeff

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by PinClubs
Originally posted by Lisa F

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It may sound a little selfish to you, but the "I'm going to do what I want to do" attitude regardless of the atmosphere and experience that 3000 other cruisers bought into sounds a LOT selfish to me.
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You are absolutely right, but considering that you give me no dining options except cafeteria stlye dining - hot dogs, hamburgers, etc I think you are being unreasonable.

I am currently on the phone with Disney Cruise lines complaining about this issue. I don't care if you have formal night every night, but sharing the restaurants would be just a nice thing to do.

Jeff

Topsiders is far from cafeteria style dining.

Anne

 

[PinClubs]

Originally posted by Fawn:
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ALL the children? You are assuming your opinion is the only opinion anyone could possibly have. This is a big world, with lots of ideas...don't be so judgemental.

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Yes, all the children. I play with them all on a regular basis. We, (my wife and I) took "ALL" the children to see Lilo & Stitch the day it was released and then took them to the mall for a pin trading meet. We do things like that often. I know "All" the children in my neighborhood very well.

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Bottom Line: Disney is your host, and has requested proper attire at meals, with formal wear only two nights out of 7. Get into the "Disney" spirit, lighten up and have some fun!

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I don't care if you want to dress up on all 7 days, just give me a dining option too. I "am" trying to lighten up, it is you that is trying to keep things formal, stuff, pretentious and boring.

Jeff

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by PinClubs I don't care if you want to dress up on all 7 days, just give me a dining option too. I "am" trying to lighten up, it is you that is trying to keep things formal, stuff, pretentious and boring.

Jeff [/B]

I don't find dresing up to be any of the above. I think it's FUN!!!

One of the reasons I wanted to cruise was to be able to dress up, which is something I rarely have the chance to do.

Anne

 

[LenDVC92]

I brought a tux and a sports jacket on the 7-night. I wore the tux on both formal and semi-formal nights, and the sports jacket with a shirt and tie and Dockers for Lumaire's and Palo. It didn't make sense to carry suit for semi-formal night if I was already lugging a tux. As others have reported there was a wide range of dress among the guests on both evenings. I’m glad that I don’t have to wear a suit and tie to work every day anymore, but it is fun to dress up once in a while.

On the other topic: My children are not adults, and my wife and I are not a children. We don't always like to do the same things or need to be together all the time, even on vacation. I don't consider letting them do what they enjoy while I do something I enjoy "ditching" them. We can do things as a family sometimes, and on our own at other times. It's just as appropriate to have Palo be "adults only" as it is not to allow parents on the teen beach (as I found out when I got caught trying to get a peek at what was going on... they were definitely having more fun than us, btw).

Len.

 

[StaceyA]

Originally posted by LenDVC92

On the other topic: My children are not adults, and my wife and I are not a children. We don't always like to do the same things or need to be together all the time, even on vacation. I don't consider letting them do what they enjoy while I do something I enjoy "ditching" them. We can do things as a family sometimes, and on our own at other times. It's just as appropriate to have Palo be "adults only" as it is not to allow parents on the teen beach (as I found out when I got caught trying to get a peek at what was going on... they were definitely having more fun than us, btw).

Len.

I, being an adult with no kids, appreciate that Palo's is Adult only because my Husband and I can go and have a quiet dinner without any kids.

That is funny that you got snagged peeking in on the teens....LOL!

 

[Lisa F]

Originally posted by PinClubs
I "am" trying to lighten up, it is you that is trying to keep things formal, stuff, pretentious and boring.

I think dressign up on a disney cruise, while formal, is anything BUT stuffy, pretentious or boring. As a kid I remember raiding my mom's closet with my friends (and raiding their mom's closets as well). We'd dress up, play with the makeup, wear high heeled shoes that were too big and have a grand old time. Then there were the special occasions when we got to dress up for REAL. We had fancy clothes in our sizes, got to wear ribbons in our hair. My best friend loved his suit and the fact that he had a "real tie" and not one of those clip on things. The problem, though, is that most of the time we were going places where we were expected to sit quietly and behave like adults.

As I said before, the disney cruise is the perfect blend of time honored cruising traditions with family fun and entertainment. Kids get to have that perfect blend of playing dress up and getting to be like adults (something every kid I know well loves to do, whether it is play house or pretend you are a teacher or something else) while at the same time still being allowed to be kids. They can dress up and go to a fancy "broadway show" only the show doesn't deal with adult themes and doesn't require kids to sit still for 2 or more hours at a time. THey can laugh and giggle and have a great time watching it, and it's OK.

They can go to a fancy dinner in a fancy dining room in their fancy clothes, but they are still not only allowed but ENCOURAGED to be kids. They can eat the type of food they want (whether that is "kid food" or whether they are adventurous and want to try "adult food). They can take pictures with mickey and minnie who are also in their formal clothes. It's all a big show, but everyone is a part of it... and all that anyone is asking is that you don't purposefully do what you can to diminish that show for others.

I'm not saying you have to wear a tux or a gown. There were plenty of families where the father just wore a suit (and I'm sure they were not all $5000 armani suits) and the mother wore a fairly simple dress or pantsuit. People were dressed at all levels of formality, but everyone had made an effort and everyone we observed seemed to be having fun with it.

As far as dining options if you just don't feel like dressing up, I was under the impression that topsiders was an option. I remember reading a post from more than one person saying that they serve the same menu as in the diningroom... you pick up your appetizer at the buffet on the way in (or a few if you want to try a few) and then a server brings you an entree and dessert. Are they no longer doing that?

Lisa

 

[ruvidu]

and I hope our dinning partners do. In three cruises we have always noted that most people try to go by the suggested dress code. Yes, some people do read their information paks when they arrive. You always see some folks though that you assume just have no class or couth. I was thinking about the non-formal resturant idea and the only way it would work is to make Palos the t-shirt and shorts place to go on formal and informal night. You could either make a reservation ahead of time or the head server direct you there if you show up at your designated dinning area dressed unappropiatly. You could have a great meal and dress like you were at a hot dog stand.
No, don't flame me, I was just kidding about Palos but I do get upset when I see a minority trying to impose their veiws and opinions on a majority. Same bunch that smoke in non-smoking, park in fire lanes and handicap spaces.

 

[LenDVC92]

Why is it that we seem to have this same discussion about every two weeks on this board, but I never hear anyone making such a big deal about restaurants on land. I know of lots of places where it would be very inappropriate to dine wearing shorts and a tee shirt. Maybe I've missed it, but I can't recall reading a post on this or any other WDW board saying the Disney is being unfair because the require a jacket to eat at Victoria & Albert's. Most people seem to understand the rules and make their choices accordingly. Why should a cruise vacation be different?

Lisa said it best when she called it a show and we all get to play the part of elegant cruisers on a classic ship. It kind of ruins the scene if some of the players are way out of costume.

 

[PinClubs]

Len wrote:

Why is it that we seem to have this same discussion about every two weeks on this board, but I never hear anyone making such a big deal about restaurants on land. I know of lots of places where it would be very inappropriate to dine wearing shorts and a tee shirt.

Good point Len...

The difference is that WDW has numerous choices in and out of the theme parks, so if Victoria and Albert's and 10 others for all I care require a jacket that is fine with me. I will eat somewhere else, but on the ship you don't have as many choices and the formal dress people are monopolizing them and don't seem to care about the poeple who don't need to put on airs.

Like I said before, I don't care if you have formal dining every night; just leave a choice from one of the major restaurants.

Lisa F wrote:

The reason that all of the diningrooms are formal at the same time is because you have a bunch of milling around time before dinner where you can take pictures with the characters etc. It would be silly to have 1/3 of the people at a particular dinner seating in formal dress while the rest are in resort casual at say, the captain's cocktail party. Like I said, it's about an atmosphere and about an experience that many people actually enjoy and do not consider to be a burden.

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Apparently some elitists on the cruise don't want to associate themselves with the "little people".
Jeff

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by PinClubs
<snip>but on the ship you don't have as many choices and the formal dress people are monopolizing them and don't seem to care about the poeple who don't need to put on airs.

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Apparently some elitists on the cruise don't want to associate themselves with the "little people".
Jeff

As has been stated, you do have a choice, you can dine at Topsiders or in your cabin. Both places will serve you the same menus as are in the restaurants. Look at the poll going on on this forum, overwhelmingly people LIKE the dress code. You are the one who is trying to impose yourself on the majority, not vice versa. And now you are simply being quite rude by insinuating that those who prefer to follow DCL's guidelines are elistist and snobs.

You seem to equate dressing up with snobbishness, and think that those of us who LIKE to dress up are "elitists".

I prefer to think that those who follow DCL's guidelines and respect their dress requests are being polite, and those who choose to ignore the hosts requests are either rubes or boors. How would you feel if people had gone to your wedding in shorts and t-shirts? It has nothing to do with putting on airs, contrary it's simply common courtesy.

Anne

 

[TnRobin]

Ladies and gentlemen,

You are reminded that personal attacks against other posters is in violation or the Posting Guideline. Everyone here is entitled to his/her own opinion. And the are just that opinions.

 

[Lisa F]

Originally posted by PinClubs
Apparently some elitists on the cruise don't want to associate themselves with the "little people".

Wow, I actually take the time to explain an alternate point of view without name calling and this is the response I get? Well, if by "elitist" you mean someone who has good manners, wears appropriate clothes in appropriate situations and doesn't flaunt their money (saying I paid THOUSANDS for this experience) as a reason that they should get their own way no matter how it affects other people, then sign me up for that club.

Lisa

 

[jaletu2000]

Don't want to get in the cross fire - just want to ask a question. Would it be appropriate for my DH and two sons to just wear dark suits for the formal dining? It would be really difficult to get tuxs and bring them with us from Memphis - not to mention the cost. I was thinking dark suits for the formal and lighter suits for the informal. For myself - it would be easy to purchase a dressy skirt and formal tops. I agree that dressing up is fun but don't want to go over board for a three night cruise.

 

[StaceyA]

Originally posted by jaletu2000
Don't want to get in the cross fire - just want to ask a question. Would it be appropriate for my DH and two sons to just wear dark suits for the formal dining? It would be really difficult to get tuxs and bring them with us from Memphis - not to mention the cost. I was thinking dark suits for the formal and lighter suits for the informal. For myself - it would be easy to purchase a dressy skirt and formal tops. I agree that dressing up is fun but don't want to go over board for a three night cruise.

If you are going on the 3 night cruise, there isn't a formal and semi formal night, that is just on the 7 day.
Unless they changed it, but I don't think so, you would just need the nice clothes (dress and suit) for the night you dine in Tritons.

Stacey

 

[Dave_from_Marietta]

jaletu2000 -

As StaceyA said, the 3-night cruise is definitely more formal than the 7-night cruises. I wouldn't even bring a tie on the 3-night... just a sportcoat to wear over an open-collared golf shirt. As for the ladies... it's a great opportunity to wear that sun-dress that you only wear on vacation!

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Originally posted by jaletu2000
Don't want to get in the cross fire - just want to ask a question. Would it be appropriate for my DH and two sons to just wear dark suits for the formal dining?

On the 7-night cruise, dark suits are fine for the formal and semi-formal nights. That's what the majority of men wore on the 3/23/02 cruise. There were also plenty of men in tuxedos, and there were a surprisingly number who just wore dress shirts and slacks, sometimes without even wearing a tie -- and a few who either lost their luggage or made no effort what-so-ever.

Originally posted by jaletu2000
I agree that dressing up is fun but don't want to go over board for a three night cruise.

Actually, there are no formal nights on the 3- and 4-night cruises. There's no need to bring any suit. For men, something along the lines of Dockers or other slacks and a collared shirt (polo shirt or sportshirt, long- or short-sleeved) is fine every night. For Triton's and Palo, your DH could just wear a sportcoat over that.

 

[Fawn]

Originally posted by ducklite


How would you feel if people had gone to your wedding in shorts and t-shirts? It has nothing to do with putting on airs, contrary it's simply common courtesy.

Anne

Hmm...interesting point. I believe it was mentioned that someone wore a suit for his wedding? Why would you do that if you don't enjoy wearing suits? Because it was the appropriate and proper thing to do for a semi-formal wedding, I would imagine?

How would you feel if one of your wedding guests showed up in shorts and an old T-shirt. Would you feel that was appropriate...that it showed good manners? I, for one, would be insulted!

I believe part of this problem may be that you don't understand that Topsiders IS a nice choice as an alternative. It does not serve cafeteria food nor cafeteria style if you don't wish. And if you order room service, you can take your tray anywhere up on the decks and have a lovely meal under the stars. This is NOT a second class choice here.

 

[Dave_from_Marietta]

Originally posted by PinClubs in a seperate, but related thread

<b>There is no question that this is a matter of personal taste which will never be agreed upon...</b>

That's very true, Jeff. And as others have mentioned, this is a real "hot button" topic that comes up a lot. I've learned to hold my tongue in most of these discussions because the emotions can run so high and very few opinions get changed in the end.

<font size=3><b><i>That being said...</i></b></font>

I took a look at your wedding photo album. Very nice. Very elegant. Every bit the picture-book fantasy that I'm sure you (or Missy) had hoped for. You're pretty handsome for an old guy (just kidding... I'm not that much younger than you). And your bride is <b><i>gorgeous!!!</i></b>.

For anyone interested, here's a good <a href="http://www.pinclubs.com/wedding/Damon/23.htm"><font color=blue>photo of Jeff and Missy</font></a>. And I <b><i>love</i></b> this <a href="http://www.pinclubs.com/wedding/Damon/21.htm"><font color=blue>photo of Missy and her daughter</font></a>.

I hope you had as good a time as it appears you did in your <a href="http://www.pinclubs.com/wedding/"><font color=blue>album</font></a>.

 

[jaletu2000]

Hooray! So glad I asked my question and thanks you guys for replying so fast! I mis-read the thread to mean all cruises had formal nights - LOL. Well, we are definitely on the right cruise. My DH will be the most relieved. Don't know if we'll ever get to do the 7-night cruise eventhough it sounds great but at least I know what to do about clothing! Thanks again for the info!