TSM standby-less test Oct. 6-9

[elgerber]

A 50 minute wait using FP+? Interesting..do you happen to have the link to that thread? In neither of our trips did we ever have any wait to speak of in a fp + line and one was taken during the busy season. I wouldn't consider 50 minutes short fp+ or not.

We were there last week, and never waited in anything close to that either. At the Jungle Cruise on a Saturday night at MK, with PM EMH open till 2 am, and insanely crowded walkways, we pretty much walked through the line and right into the boat. We never waited more than a couple minutes with our FP+. And we we did ride TSMM with a FP+ during the test (I had booked it at the 60 day mark). We also walked right into our car on that, the cars in front of us went empty because no one else was in the line.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

If you are going to insinuate the posters I was referring to are lying, then there is no point to continuing the conversation. I've had a lot of interaction with those posters and they have never been less than honest. I give people the benefit of the doubt unless they have given me a reason not to. They haven't.

Thank you Angel Ariel!

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

And we we did ride TSMM with a FP+ during the test (I had booked it at the 60 day mark). We also walked right into our car on that, the cars in front of us went empty because no one else was in the line.

How sad that there have been a couple that posted here that they were unable to ride because they were not able to get a FP+ or didn't want to give up the FP+s that they had already set for the day were turned away from the standby line.

 

[Jennasis]

I have an idea. How about those who love FP+ continue to love it and stop trying to convince those who don't that they're wrong, and those who don't like FP+ can continue to dislike it and complain about it without trying to convince those who like it that they're wrong and the system blows.

Deal?

 

[elgerber]

How sad that there have been a couple that posted here that they were unable to ride because they were not able to get a FP+ or didn't want to give up the FP+s that they had already set for the day were turned away from the standby line.

Yeah, we thought it was kind of a waste that we rode all alone, when there were other people that wanted to ride. They were directing people to iPads and Kiosks still when we got off, so they must have still had FP+ available at that time.

 

[cakebaker]

But you certainly don't mind suggesting that I'm lying about my post being deleted from the the facebook page just last week. Just as I am "an anonymous person on DIS claiming this and that happened to them is not fact" is in fact a fact to me. And who on DIS isn't "an anonymous person"? BTW, I've been a member of DIS longer than you and have more posts than you along with many others that are posting in this thread. And will trust those that have been around longer than a few months.

I'm not sure which of us has been around longer and it doesn't matter to me, but I'm posting under a relatively new ID- I've been on and off the Dis since around 2000 or so. I'm not explaining it again, you can go back and read if you'd like. And before I get the insults thrown at me that I'm hiding something or that I got kicked off the Dis, it's neither.

We are all anonymous of course. There are many times I personally know something to be a fact, but can't prove it. I don't take it as an insult because someone questions what I say.

Regardless, I'm not saying you're lying. I'm saying I didn't see it, but I'm not going to make the leap that Disney, as a standard practice, deletes posts from their face book page based on a single report from someone. And if they did, there is no evidence that shows their doing it now. And if they are, who cares?

But I took your bait....hook, line and sinker.

Ah, I'm baiting...add that to the list of blind and refusing to see facts.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Yeah, we thought it was kind of a waste that we rode all alone, when there were other people that wanted to ride. They were directing people to iPads and Kiosks still when we got off, so they must have still had FP+ available at that time.

It seems like they were dumping more FP+s in each hour. But at other times, when those ran out, others were turned away and not told that more FP+s were being added. Just like the sign that was placed outside the ride around 1 p.m. on at least the first 2 days that said the ride had reached capacity for the day.

 

[faneuil]

I have an idea. How about those who love FP+ continue to love it and stop trying to convince those who don't that they're wrong, and those who don't like FP+ can continue to dislike it and complain about it without trying to convince those who like it that they're wrong and the system blows.

Deal?

Which is why both options should remain.
I still firmly believe Disney does understand people vacation differently.
I also firmly believe Disney does realize they have more than onsite, 10 day guests.

Here in the Orlando area, they are advertising AP's like crazy. My mom used her old AP discount card to buy one of those F&W plates. 3 CMs asked her if she was going to renew, if she knew about the payment plan, etc. I got a thank you for renewing. (First time ever).

The Disney commercials also highlight the PARKS not the resorts. So they do know they need to cater to all their different types of guests.

I think one of the best things about Disney is you can go - with no ADRs, no FP+ and enjoy yourself. You can also go and have everything planned to the minute and enjoy yourself. It's all personal preference.

At this time, I just don't see Disney pigeon holing everyone into the same type of vacation style and planning.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Ah, I'm baiting...add that to the list of blind and refusing to see facts.

How else am I suppose to take that you seem to believe the poll that most love FP+ but suggest that my and others post about having facebook posted deleted as "some anonymous person on DIS saying this and that"? I wasn't the only one that mentioned that it seemed you just called several posters a liar.

 

[KatieCharlotte]

you should have told me a month or two ago that you wanted to ride that'.

Or,"You should have told me a month or two ago that you would feel up to riding that today at this very moment."

I have a kid with anxiety and moving-screen-induced dizziness who will suddenly feel ready to conquer something like Soarin, and a kid who loves to be scared but gets occasional motion sickness that requires a break from anything that spins or moves fast. DH is exactly the same. The third child is like most kids her age -- constantly trying new things as she gets older. The thought of pre-booking our days at WDW makes me

RE construction complaints: The hub was under construction when I was at MK. In the morning, a crane was blocking the castle. I have absolutely no problem with construction projects and look forward to more at DHS, AK, and Epcot, which are nowhere near their true potential.

 

[Suvadoo]

A 50 minute wait using FP+? Interesting..do you happen to have the link to that thread? In neither of our trips did we ever have any wait to speak of in a fp + line and one was taken during the busy season. I wouldn't consider 50 minutes short fp+ or not.

Sorry, I don't.

 

[Angel Ariel]

How else am I suppose to take that you seem to believe the poll that most love FP+ but suggest that my and others post about having facebook posted deleted as "some anonymous person on DIS saying this and that"? I wasn't the only one that mentioned that it seemed you just called several posters a liar.

To be fair, my post actually quoted another poster (vacationer[insert numbers I can't remember here]).

Personally, I just don't see the point in participating here if one chooses to think that others are not being truthful in their experiences just because that person hasn't seen it themselves.

I mean, I get that we're all anonymous and I don't just accept whatever is written here as gospel either, but I don't think it benefits anyone to lie about having a FB comment deleted so I have no reason to think they're making it up. When a poster gives me a reason to think they're making stuff up, yes, I'll call them on it...but until then this is a forum for sharing our experiences. It would be a pretty quiet/less than helpful forum if we just didn't believe most of what was said because it was someone else's experience and not our own.

(The above is not directed at any particular poster, just musings of my own).

 

[cakebaker]

***you seem to believe the poll that most love FP+ ****

Where you do get this from? If I didn't say it in every comment I made about that poll, it wasn't many I skipped. I said it wasn't scientific, I said I didn't think it was any more accurate than facebook or negative comment here- said it again and again and again. I'll say it again- the poll here is no more scientific or representative of a majority of people than the general opinons posted on the dis or facebook.

What I do say is this: IF you believe that the dis comments and facebook give us an accurate indication of what most people think about fp+, then you have to give that poll the same weight.

So to base what I was doing to you on that, is incorrect.

Who sides with who on the dis is often connected to who they agree with on an issue. But, if you think I was calling you a liar, you have my apologies. I was not. I can see where my including the description of people being anonymous can be taken as a slight, it was not intended.

For example, someone just posted they read there were 50 minute waits in a fp+ line. At the moment, I don't believe that in general, for no specific reason, line waits of 50 minutes in the fp+ line happen. Am I calling this person who says that they read that a liar? No- I'm not calling the person who claimed it is a liar either- I want to know more facts and see the details before I decide if I believe it actually happens for no particular reason- I'm not accepting on face value that this occurred because 50 minute waits are a result of the implementation of fp+.

 

[Suvadoo]

A 50 minute wait using FP+? Interesting..do you happen to have the link to that thread? In neither of our trips did we ever have any wait to speak of in a fp + line and one was taken during the busy season. I wouldn't consider 50 minutes short fp+ or not.

I didn't want to be accused of fabrication, so I continued to search: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3340227

 

[cakebaker]

I didn't want to be accused of fabrication, so I continued to search: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3340227

Thank you. As I posted previously, I'm not at all saying you didn't read it, I just want the details of why it happened.

 

[FlipHipster]

I understand what you are saying, but if Disney turned rides into FP+ only then, in effect, FP+ would become the new SB line with long waits. I read a post yesterday from someone who had just returned from their trip. In the MK, FP+ lines were 50 minutes for 2 of their 3 picks of the day (not A& E or 7D). I don't consider that a short wait.
I think the only way to reduce ride wait times is to limit the number of guests in each park. But I think Disney is trying to squeeze everyone in like a bunch of sardines.

Not sure I read those posts but this could just be Disney still monkeying around with the FP+/SB ratios. As long as the 2 queues are merging, any change they make to the FP+ queue is going to affect both queues. This sounds like what they are trying to test with A&E/Soarin'/TSMM. Also, the 1hr return time window seems like it could end up being an issue. If you release 1k FP+ per hour, how do you prevent all of those guests showing up at the same time or within a say, 5 min window? That could just end up snowballing and cause long lines the rest of the day.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Or,"You should have told me a month or two ago that you would feel up to riding that today at this very moment."

I have a kid with anxiety and moving-screen-induced dizziness who will suddenly feel ready to conquer something like Soarin, and a kid who loves to be scared but gets occasional motion sickness that requires a break from anything that spins or moves fast. DH is exactly the same. The third child is like most kids her age -- constantly trying new things as she gets older. The thought of pre-booking our days at WDW makes me

RE construction complaints: The hub was under construction when I was at MK. In the morning, a crane was blocking the castle. I have absolutely no problem with construction projects and look forward to more at DHS, AK, and Epcot, which are nowhere near their true potential.

Yes, I can't imagine planning a trip with FP+ only and with children with those troubles would be very hard. What I hate about the new system, is I remember the year my DS decided he would finally try Splash and fell in love. With the old system, we were able to let him ride this new favorite several times. This is much harder with FP+. I would think it would close to impossible with FP+ only. I loved seeing the delight in his eyes when he came off so excited, asking if he could ride again and being able to say yes.

 

[cakebaker]

That's what I was looking for- the reason for the wait.

Space Mountain had been down during the day so I supposed they had lots of backed up fast passes. As for Kali, Dinosaur was down most of the day and folks with passes there were being sent to Everest and Kali.

We had much the same thing happen to us. POC was down for a couple of hours and they were directing guests to ride the Jungle Cruise and to go to that kiosk to reschedule if they didn't want JC. It made for a huge mess and I really wish when a ride went down, they'd just hand out anytime passes.

 

[flicx]

An anonymous person posting on the dis saying this that or the other happened to them is not a FACT- What I see now is a facebook page that has a long list of complainers voicing their concerns. IF they were doing it before, they obviously are not doing it now- And no, I don't believe there are more and Disney is just weeding them out. But, if they were, so what? Who cares? In what way does them editing a facebook page affect my vacation?

As for surveys- I didn't see the surveys spoken of. I can't make a decision as to whether I think they were skewed. But if they were, what was Disney's point in doing a couple of skewed surveys? Because the surveys I get are not skewed.

Did Disney just want to fool themselves for a while and now they can handle the truth? If the truth is this system is a failure, then why isn't it showing in the bottom line? The parks are wildly popular right now, more than they've ever been.

And then we fall back on the gold standard for some who don't like fp+- My opinions are what they are because I don't want to see the facts. No, you don't see the facts. The system is successful to this point. The only data available backs up what they're seeing in the parks- an increase in attendance and an increase in profits.

You don't like the system, ok. It doesn't work for you? Ok. But it does for more people than it doesn't and frankly, you're just going to have to get used to it.

I'd be nicer about this, but I don't get that courtesy in return. So, bottom line- it's here, it's not going anywhere. That's a fact that some just won't see. Clicking your little ruby reds together and crying for home isn't going to change a thing.

Okay I give up. All the posters who said they had feedback removed from facebook made it up. No skewed surveys either, I imagined seeing it on this very site! To answer your question as to why a company would skew a survey is an easy one. When you advertise x % of people like something, they can say look, we got this survey to back it up, simply put propaganda. Enjoy your day

 

[cakebaker]

Okay I give up. All the posters who said they had feedback removed from facebook made it up. No skewed surveys either, I imagined seeing it on this very site! To answer your question as to why a company would skew a survey is an easy one. When you advertise x % of people like something, they can say look, we got this survey to back it up, simply put propaganda. Enjoy your day

Yeah, cause that's what I said- it was all made up.

Well now I'm convinced- Disney is a huge propaganda machine. Their parks aren't really full and their profits aren't really going up- But boy, those animatronics are something else- that's what they're filling the parks with you know. Those aren't real people.

I haven't quite figured out how they're going to successfully print the money that isn't really there, but I bet they have their ways!

You have a great day too!