TSA Question

[Casemily]

There are security related things that are "need to know" TSA knows, airline gate agents would know, general public is not need to know. I am legally not allow to expand on specifics. Just know, the initials have a reason to be there, yes you can easily reprint a boarding pass, and if the issue does come up and there are not initials, you may( depends on time) miss your flight. I really don't know how to be more clear without putting myself in jeopardy as to what I can talk about. The op asked if there was a reason for initials on paper boarding passes, yes there is. Thanks!

 

[sam_gordon]

There are security related things that are "need to know" TSA knows, airline gate agents would know, general public is not need to know. I am legally not allow to expand on specifics. Just know, the initials have a reason to be there, yes you can easily reprint a boarding pass, and if the issue does come up and there are not initials, you may( depends on time) miss your flight. I really don't know how to be more clear without putting myself in jeopardy as to what I can talk about. The op asked if there was a reason for initials on paper boarding passes, yes there is. Thanks!

Casemily, I understand you can't say what it's for. But in all honesty, I didn't ask IF there was a reason for the initials, I asked WHAT the reason was. I'm having a hard time thinking of a scenario the initials would be needed. Just about every other TSA policy I can understand the reason for, doesn't mean I agree with it, but I can understand.

I don't want to put you in any kind of jeopardy and I appreciate your input.

 

[goofy4tink]

In the spirit of OPs original question - what is the purpose of an Airport Security Screener asking a person to state his or her name when having the BP or ID document examined?

I haven't been asked for any info when going through security...at least not the past 4 or 5 times that I actually remember. And two of those were in the past few weeks. They look at my bp, look at me, scribble, and I'm off.

People....let's not go down the this road again. We all realize that incidents happen. We all know that there are bad apples in every single basket of apples. Doesn't matter whether they are TSA employees, doctors, priests, bookkeepers or school teachers. There are those who are just 'bad'. Let's leave it at that, shall we??!!

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I haven't been asked for any info when going through security...at least not the past 4 or 5 times that I actually remember. And two of those were in the past few weeks. They look at my bp, look at me, scribble, and I'm off.

People....let's not go down the this road again. We all realize that incidents happen. We all know that there are bad apples in every single basket of apples. Doesn't matter whether they are TSA employees, doctors, priests, bookkeepers or school teachers. There are those who are just 'bad'. Let's leave it at that, shall we??!!

 

[CPT Tripss]

I haven't been asked for any info when going through security...at least not the past 4 or 5 times that I actually remember. And two of those were in the past few weeks. They look at my bp, look at me, scribble, and I'm off.

People....let's not go down the this road again. We all realize that incidents happen. We all know that there are bad apples in every single basket of apples. Doesn't matter whether they are TSA employees, doctors, priests, bookkeepers or school teachers. There are those who are just 'bad'. Let's leave it at that, shall we??!!

It's quite routine at SFO and not infrequent at the NYPA and DC area airports. Less frequent at others. If the passenger is non English speaking, or has a "funny" foreign name, it can become amusing.

 

[goofy4tink]

It's quite routine at SFO and not infrequent at the NYPA and DC area airports. Less frequent at others. If the passenger is non English speaking, or has a "funny" foreign name, it can become amusing.

Okay....I have just been informed that I am wrong...that the TSA routinely asks for passengers to state their name. And from what I can see, it is at the airports you mention, as well as other large ones. So, I stand corrected. Sorry.

 

[Lewisc]

Okay....I have just been informed that I am wrong...that the TSA routinely asks for passengers to state their name. And from what I can see, it is at the airports you mention, as well as other large ones. So, I stand corrected. Sorry.

Part of the new "chat down" program. People keep saying we should try the Israeli system. They rely on interviews with passengers and not just technology (scanners, x rays).

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...ial-profiling/57102152/1?loc=interstitialskip

I suspect it take more training, and a better class of employee then what the TSA is hiring, if such an approach has a shot of working.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Part of the new "chat down" program. People keep saying we should try the Israeli system. They rely on interviews with passengers and not just technology (scanners, x rays).

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...ial-profiling/57102152/1?loc=interstitialskip

I suspect it take more training, and a better class of employee then what the TSA is hiring, if such an approach has a shot of working.

Training???....YES...but you can't get much ruder or your nose sticking much higher in the air, than that statement.

AKK

 

[coco392]

my wife and I add an hour to every visit due to racial profiling
I am white and have never been asked once, not once to stop for a full bag search and questioning

my wife who has an Italian background with dark hair and olive skin has gone through the whole kit and kaboodle a dozen times !!!!!

we actually think its quiet funny now. we take a deep breath and say 'again'.

I say I'm going with her - 'no sir we don't need to see you'. it's my wife I'm going too. 'oh is that your wife'.

the fun in being an international body or with Hispanic look.

I guess my point is if you are going to racially profile just be open and say it. at least we wouldn't have to go through the silly pretence that it doesn't exist.

anyway we have a bit of a laugh about it. no point whinging about it, it's part and parcel of what happens to catch these nuts.

 

[Lewisc]

Training???....YES...but you can't get much ruder or your nose sticking much higher in the air, than that statement.

AKK

Poor choice of words.

I'm thinking of an article a few years ago in which one of the TSA people was saying, at that time, they were paying less then what the fast food places in the airport were paying new employees. The fast food employees were treated by their customers better then how some of the passengers treat TSA employees. Fast food working conditions were better. Literally the TSA were getting people McDonalds wouldn't hire. Not likely to be qualified to do a psychological analysis based on a brief chat.

What would be a better choice of words? more qualified? more experienced? better education?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Poor choice of words.

I'm thinking of an article a few years ago in which one of the TSA people was saying, at that time, they were paying less then what the fast food places in the airport were paying new employees. The fast food employees were treated by their customers better then how some of the passengers treat TSA employees. Fast food working conditions were better. Literally the TSA were getting people McDonalds wouldn't hire. Not likely to be qualified to do a psychological analysis based on a brief chat.

What would be a better choice of words? more qualified? more experienced? better education?

And maybe I jumped a bit hard..no hard feelings I hope.

You will find today all are HS grads and many have college degrees. The folks in those security checks have a hard job.........dealing with the public that doesn't want to be delayed or have to go though scanners or pat downs. Hell I miss the days of getting to the airport at the last minute and running to the gate!

A public that has a few that just love to jump on them every chance they can! I do love the video of the parents claiming the TSA agent was abusing thier lil girl, yet.....they seemed to think getting it on video was more inportant then stopping it! Frankly if I thought they were abusing any of my kids......any of them, I would not be holding the camera,more liky the agents throat!



You did hit the nail on the head..........training was and is the key. Not to mention the behind the scenes agents watching the cameras

AKK

 

[sam_gordon]

my wife and I add an hour to every visit due to racial profiling
I am white and have never been asked once, not once to stop for a full bag search and questioning

my wife who has an Italian background with dark hair and olive skin has gone through the whole kit and kaboodle a dozen times !!!!!

we actually think its quiet funny now. we take a deep breath and say 'again'.

I say I'm going with her - 'no sir we don't need to see you'. it's my wife I'm going too. 'oh is that your wife'.

the fun in being an international body or with Hispanic look.

I guess my point is if you are going to racially profile just be open and say it. at least we wouldn't have to go through the silly pretence that it doesn't exist.

anyway we have a bit of a laugh about it. no point whinging about it, it's part and parcel of what happens to catch these nuts.

I was fortunate(?) enough to work the VP Debate in 2004(?). A number of people from my company worked there (for our company). Another maintenance guy from my company walked through security carrying his toolbag, no problem. My now boss (who is black) walks through next carrying nothing and they pull him aside for a pat down. Secret Service handles the security.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Part of the new "chat down" program. People keep saying we should try the Israeli system. They rely on interviews with passengers and not just technology (scanners, x rays).

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...ial-profiling/57102152/1?loc=interstitialskip

I suspect it take more training, and a better class of employee then what the TSA is hiring, if such an approach has a shot of working.

According to the linked editorial, the "chat down" program here in the good old USA is a big fail. Some one in the TSA leadership bought into the pseudoscience of "micro expression" and fiigured they would nab the "bad guys." As noted in the editorial, not a single "bad guy" has been caught by the Airport Security Screeners! They do however manage to nab the "stupid guys" (those who bring fireworks, grenade simulators, throwing stars, etc.) the "forgetful guys" (oops, left my handgun in my bag, sorry) and lots of "not quite with it guys" (what, a half empty 4 oz. tube of toothpaste isn't OK?).

Maybe those ads on pizza boxes and self serve gas pumps don't appeal to the "sharper tools."

As far as how Airport Security Screeners are treated by the flying public, two adages come to mind. "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise" and "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

 

[CPT Tripss]

And maybe I jumped a bit hard..no hard feelings I hope.

You will find today all are HS grads and many have college degrees. The folks in those security checks have a hard job.........dealing with the public that doesn't want to be delayed or have to go though scanners or pat downs. Hell I miss the days of getting to the airport at the last minute and running to the gate!

A public that has a few that just love to jump on them every chance they can! I do love the video of the parents claiming the TSA agent was abusing thier lil girl, yet.....they seemed to think getting it on video was more inportant then stopping it! Frankly if I thought they were abusing any of my kids......any of them, I would not be holding the camera,more liky the agents throat!




You did hit the nail on the head..........training was and is the key. Not to mention the behind the scenes agents watching the cameras

AKK

Advocating assaulting rogue Airport Security Screeners?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Advocating assaulting rogue Airport Security Screeners?

LOL..Tripps I think we would both agree..........but the bottom line is I advocate assault among other things on anyone who hurts a child.

In this case, that was much discussed, was a set up for the publicity.... no charges. suit nothing,.......a set up!

AKK

 

[CPT Tripss]

LOL..Tripps I think we would both agree..........but the bottom line is I advocate assault among other things on anyone who hurts a child.

In this case, that was much discussed, was a set up for the publicity.... no charges. suit nothing,.......a set up!

AKK

Are you referring to any of these situations?

http://******************/article/tsa-detains-disabled-child-for-suspected-explosive-residue

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012...a-gives-pat-down-to-girl-with-cerebral-palsy/

http://tsanewsblog.com/4306/news/tsa-harasses-two-disabled-children-in-philadelphia/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/1...r-disabled-man-subjected-to-airport-pat-down/

There isn't always a suit or charges . . . and TSA all to frequently "loses" the security tape.

 

[dawnball]

Not to start with whether TSA is security theater or not, I just have a question about a single procedure of theirs...

When I've presented my printed boarding pass at the ID check, they check the ID then initial the BP. What's the purpose of the initial? Yes, it shows you went through the security check, but when is the initialed BP checked again? And, if you use an eBP, you won't have an initial. So what's the point?

Please, keep this thread solely on the initialed BP. I just don't understand why they're initialing. Guesses are 5 for a nickel.

Semi-random gate searches and post-security checks. Scanned eBP are tracked electronically. Different airports (and sometimes different terminals/checkpoints) have slightly different sets of squiggles.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Are you referring to any of these situations?

http://******************/article/tsa-detains-disabled-child-for-suspected-explosive-residue

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012...a-gives-pat-down-to-girl-with-cerebral-palsy/

http://tsanewsblog.com/4306/news/tsa-harasses-two-disabled-children-in-philadelphia/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/1...r-disabled-man-subjected-to-airport-pat-down/

There isn't always a suit or charges . . . and TSA all to frequently "loses" the security tape.

The 1st article didn't open and reading the others its more cases of opinion and people delayed and mad about it. Not to mention the father , all upset of the alleged *ABUSE*, seemed to have plenty of time to video it instead of taking his child and leaving.

gee..........maybe people more into thier 15 minutes of fame with a media happy to help them with one sided terms of *abuse*, *rough* and *aggressive*

Lets not forget the hammer(HARD plastic as good as steel).......................the parent.......*ho my child is not a terrorist they always had the hammer*.......forgeting the TSA doesn't know them from Adam and the family could very well use the hammer as a weapon.

Not to mention I could see the articles about the TSA letting a hammer on the plane and then saying the TSA isn't doing their jobs!

As sad as disabliled child are and as distastful as it is to have to search them.........steel braces, etc could indeed be weapons or hiding places for weapons, ligiuds, etc.


Maybe the family should have arrived earlier to make sure they make the flight?


To think that terrorist would not think twice about using the elderly or kids to hiding weapons is very silly pie in the sky thinking. Hard as it is to say, if having to check everyone leads to better safety and yes it does, then it has to be done.


Sorry, again .....you give opinion and stories, but no reason not to follow the giudeline set up for your and my families safely. There is no abuse here!

AKK

 

[Lewisc]

As far as how Airport Security Screeners are treated by the flying public, two adages come to mind. "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise" and "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Rubbish. It's not like the "anti-TSA" people have some kind of database and are only rude/confrontational to those TSA agents who treated passengers poorly in the past.

Thank God the TSA employees don't have that philosophy. I can't imagine how we'd be treated if they did.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Rubbish. It's not like the "anti-TSA" people have some kind of database and are only rude/confrontational to those TSA agents who treated passengers poorly in the past.

Thank God the TSA employees don't have that philosophy. I can't imagine how we'd be treated if they did.

That's an interesting perspective of the lesson of "the Golden Rule."

Don't you think politeness and some degree of respect towards pax on the part of Airport Security Screeners would lessen what little grief they get from pax? There is little if any of tonka's "grabbing by the throat," maybe you have reports.

Here is the story in the Dis censored link. IIRC TSA says they never separate parents from children. Yes, I know those evil terrorists would use disabled kids . . . just like drug smugglers used breast augmentation to move their product. You want the Airport Security Screeners to check out suspected enhancements too? Are there no limits?