Trial Run for Dogs in Resort Rooms

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I agree the term "entitled" is provocative rather than constructive and, therefore, best avoided!

M C-M, Your last comment raises, I think, a key cause of the argument. Trying to explain the win/lose perspective of this new policy doesn't mean that people on the "win" side aren't being considered. The thing is the win/lose argument is centered on the point that that people getting to take their dogs to those resorts are being considered more! ...You can't really explain that without saying it! ...Previously, I could enjoy a walk around the cabins at FW or the grounds of POR as could the dog-owners even without their pets and now I can't, whereas dog-owners can now enjoy it more. That 's not allowing the equal rights to our vacations, which we previously enjoyed. ...Hence, people are upset at the loss. And it adds insult to injury, when it's claimed we're considered the other side less by pointing this out.

For sure. But now that pet owner who wished they could take their pet with them now gets that opportunity.

Policy changes such that they have been recently with Disney have meant that sometimes certain people just got more than other people. If we're talking about enjoying something more well that is the truth for soooo many other things. If you're willing to spend $$$ you get the opportunity to enjoy more things at WDW. If you're willing to spend $$$ you'll likely to get the opportunity to enjoy finer accommodations at WDW with more amenities than someone not willing or unable to spend $$$. If you're willing to spend $ you were able to see the backstage areas of the parks and get to bypass security when the Express Transportation was around. If you were willing to spend $$$ you got your own tent in MK while others just got to look at an eyesore. If we use Universal at all if you're willing to spend $$ for Express Pass or $$ to stay in a resort that provides Express Pass well then you get more in that you get to bypass most of the standby line compared to those who aren't willing or unable to spend the $$ or stay in a resort that provides it. People who were willing to go through the effort to use the 'loophole that shall not be named' got the ability to enjoy more __ than those who didn't partake in the 'loophole that shall not be named'.

While I can understand where you are coming from, the argument of someone else gets to enjoy something more now than me well it just seems...

And as with a variety of things that go on with WDW over time the scales of balance ebb and flow.

 

[LSUmiss]

I agree the term "entitled" is provocative rather than constructive and, therefore, best avoided!

M C-M, Your last comment raises, I think, a key cause of the argument. Trying to explain the win/lose perspective of this new policy doesn't mean that people on the "win" side aren't being considered. The thing is the win/lose argument is centered on the point that that people getting to take their dogs to those resorts are being considered more! ...You can't really explain that without saying it! ...Previously, I could enjoy a walk around the cabins at FW or the grounds of POR as could the dog-owners even without their pets and now I can't, whereas dog-owners can now enjoy it more. That 's not allowing the equal rights to our vacations that we previously enjoyed. ...Hence, people are upset at the loss. And it adds insult to injury, when it's claimed we're considering the other side less by pointing this out.

But pet owners cannot enjoy a stroll around any other resorts other than the 4 mentioned. You are still free to enjoy the grounds of any other resort & BC, BWI, Poly, Contemporary, GF, CBR & DVC if you’re a family of 5 or more. That is what makes the opposing side appear entitled to some of us. It’s that it seems they feel entitled to free pick of ALL of WDW just b/c it used to be that way. Things change. I can see ppl who have already booked or ppl on a budget with families of 5 being upset now. But, a lot of ppl are not in those categories & have made comments that POR or Yacht Club is the their favorite & they don’t want dogs there. Poly is my favorite resort, but if I want to bring a dog I’ll have to deal with Yacht Club. One deluxe resort that accepts dogs is a very limited selection for us that like the policy. But, I get that there are other guests with different likes & needs so not all resorts can be dedicated to my likes or needs. WDW is continuing to be more & more inclusive. This is another way to accommodate just another population.

 

[Tink-osophy]

Obviously in 129 pages there are a lot of points of view, I'm just sticking to the fact that some people really do not spend all day at the parks for a variety of reasons

I know. It's not all serious park attack.

I love resort time!

 

[Tink-osophy]

...While I can understand where you are coming from, the argument of someone else gets to enjoy something more now than me well it just seems...

And as with a variety of things that go on with WDW over time the scales of balance ebb and flow.

Balance does change over time, but that's not a reason not to challenge it.

Also, I don't think you completely understand where I'm coming from, because, "the argument of someone else gets to enjoy something more now than me well it just seems..." isn't at all the same as robbing from Peter to pay Paul. It's not that they get simply to enjoy it more than a group of people, but at the expense of a group of people. That's different and frustratingly misleading. I still enjoy your posts, though.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

But pet owners cannot enjoy a stroll around any other resorts other than the 4 mentioned. You are still free to enjoy the grounds of any other resort & BC, BWI, Poly, Contemporary, GF, CBR & DVC if you’re a family of 5 or more. That is what makes the opposing side appear entitled to some of us. It’s that it seems they feel entitled to free pick of ALL of WDW just b/c it used to be that way. Things change. I can see ppl who have already booked or ppl on a budget with families of 5 being upset now. But, a lot of ppl are not in those categories & have made comments that POR or Yacht Club is the their favorite & they don’t want dogs there. Poly is my favorite resort, but if I want to bring a dog I’ll have to deal with Yacht Club. One deluxe resort that accepts dogs is a very limited selection for us that like the policy. But, I get that there are other guests with different likes & needs so not all resorts can be dedicated to my likes or needs. WDW is continuing to be more & more inclusive. This is another way to accommodate just another population.

And to be fair I completely understand if (and of course there is the possibility) this gets expanded to more resorts those who had those other choices will feel them more and more tightened and I get that. And I will still be under the mindset that sometimes others get more. And I will still be under the mindset that the scales of balance ebb and flow. I'm sympathetic to the given choices at the moment (have even gotten into a discussion regarding how it feels for those who are adults only going, etc) and will be even more sympathetic towards those if their choices get limited even further.

 

[Gryhndmom]

I am sorry what Disney, and people who support this new dog policy (I blame them too), have done to your family. I hope the new dog policy is terminated.

So to understand your statement correctly, those of us who support the policy you blame for doing what exactly to this family? Not speaking for others but I am fairly sure I have done nothing to this family or any other family/people by expressing support for this policy.

 

[tee11]

I only just found out about this!

A couple of thoughts:

A year long period is not a trial, it sounds like a done deal?
They will collect the fee, but I highly doubt the cleaning is going to be any different!

I think the hotels they chose to include (other than Ft. Wilderness) in this "trial" are all really poor choices - not sure, if that was discussed here.

Which leads to my questions:

Does anyone know, what this will mean for the resort outside of the hotel room?
Can I expect dogs running around at StormAlong Bay (shared facilities with Beach Club)?
Will we start seeing dogs then as well at French Quarter, since it shares the resort facilities with POR?
In restaurants? Tethered in front of restaurants and shops?
On the children's playgrounds?
In the hotel's entertainment area, where there is children's animation?

They really have knocked out a lot of resorts with this one, for people who do not want to stay with dogs, or have their toddlers/babies exposed to dogs running (or waiting) all over the resort.

 

[jrmasm]

I agree the term "entitled" is provocative rather than constructive and, therefore, best avoided!

M C-M, Your last comment raises, I think, a key cause of the argument. Trying to explain the win/lose perspective of this new policy doesn't mean that people on the "win" side aren't being considered. The thing is the win/lose argument is centered on the point that that people getting to take their dogs to those resorts are being considered more! ...You can't really explain that without saying it! ...Previously, I could enjoy a walk around the cabins at FW or the grounds of POR as could the dog-owners even without their pets and now I can't, whereas dog-owners can now enjoy it more. That 's not allowing the equal rights to our vacations that we previously enjoyed. ...Hence, people are upset at the loss. And it adds insult to injury, when it's claimed we're considering the other side less by pointing this out.

Could you please explain this? I honestly don't understand your statement.

 

[tee11]

Why did they not do: Ft. Wilderness, Saratoga or Key West, and EITHER Movies OR Music OR Sports???
Would have been much better choices, in my opinion.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Balance does change over time, but that's not a reason not to challenge it.

Also, I don't think you completely understand where I'm coming from, because, "the argument of someone else gets to enjoy something more now than me well it just seems..." isn't at all the same as robbing from Peter to pay Paul. It's not that they get simply to enjoy it more than a group of people, but at the expense of a group of people. That's different and frustratingly misleading. I still enjoy your posts, though.

Well I didn't say you can't challenge it. In fact I've said multiple times people should feel free to voice their dislike to Disney but also their like of the new policy.

When you said words like 'expense' to me it doesn't really make it actually better..it makes it worse to me.

But likewise I still enjoy your posts even if we don't agree

 

[LSUmiss]

So to understand your statement correctly, those of us who support the policy you blame for doing what exactly to this family? Not speaking for others but I am fairly sure I have done nothing to this family or any other family/people by expressing support for this policy.

And it’s these types of inflammatory statements that make the other side say things like ppl are being dramatic.

 

[alicecooper]

A message to all those with a neutral view on this policy change. Those with the wait and see approach.

Do you think in a year's time after the trial is over and Disney has made $s from this service they won't consider rolling out to the other resorts?

Also in a year's you decide you don't like it. Will Disney care about your opinion after they start to make $ and everything has been implemented?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Why did they not do: Ft. Wilderness, Saratoga or Key West, and EITHER Movies OR Music OR Sports???
Would have been much better choices, in my opinion.

On the Values I did mention previously that I think it could be because the All-Stars and POP are usually fairly booked up (at least that was my thought process). It was mentioned POR could be because of the closeness to the kennels and it was mentioned on another thread that YC could have been selected because a lack of a DVC component. Don't know if any of those are true of course.

 

[Tink-osophy]

But pet owners cannot enjoy a stroll around any other resorts other than the 4 mentioned. You are still free to enjoy the grounds of any other resort & BC, BWI, Poly, Contemporary, GF, CBR & DVC if you’re a family of 5 or more. That is what makes the opposing side appear entitled to some of us. It’s that it seems they feel entitled to free pick of ALL of WDW just b/c it used to be that way. Things change. I can see ppl who have already booked or ppl on a budget with families of 5 being upset now. But, a lot of ppl are not in those categories & have made comments that POR or Yacht Club is the their favorite & they don’t want dogs there. Poly is my favorite resort, but if I want to bring a dog I’ll have to deal with Yacht Club. One deluxe resort that accepts dogs is a very limited selection for us that like the policy. But, I get that there are other guests with different likes & needs so not all resorts can be dedicated to my likes or needs. WDW is continuing to be more & more inclusive. This is another way to accommodate just another population.

Pet-owners have always been able to enjoy all the resorts and can still pick any resort and enjoy a stroll. You can still go to the Poly, just without your dog. My family, now, can't go to POR or FW at all. It's not the same thing.

Being able to bring your dog is a want, being able to breathe easily (physically and emotionally) is a need. Becoming more inclusive for animals is becoming less inclusive for some humans. That IS a loss, whatever way you paint it. I love animals (and wish I didn't have to avoid some of them), but Disney was built for humans first and foremost. It would be fairer if dogs were catered for as an extra.

(There's nowhere else spacious and green in the same way as POR and FW, which would explain why Disney picked them (CBR and CSR aren't the same at all, especially at the moment), so it doesn't mean I still have a huge choice. In those, terms there wasn't a huge choice before!)

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

Why did they not do: Ft. Wilderness, Saratoga or Key West, and EITHER Movies OR Music OR Sports???
Would have been much better choices, in my opinion.

Old Key West and Saratoga Springs are DVC.

 

[Jafar30]

A message to all those with a neutral view on this policy change. Those with the wait and see approach.

Do you think in a year's time after the trial is over and Disney has made $s from this service they won't consider rolling out to the other resorts?

Also in a year's you decide you don't like it. Will Disney care about your opinion after they start to make $ and everything has been implemented?

We'll just have to wait and see. And if it's a disaster then we as guests can say no more Mr. Nice Guy

 

[tee11]

On the Values I did mention previously that I think it could be because the All-Stars and POP are usually fairly booked up (at least that was my thought process). It was mentioned POR could be because of the closeness to the kennels and it was mentioned on another thread that YC could have been selected because a lack of a DVC component. Don't know if any of those are true of course.

I just read that the "dog rooms" in Animation will be all the Mermaid rooms and Car Suites! Those are already the most popular rooms, and always booked up! Mermaids are never included in any promotion. So that can't be it!
It is really, really puzzling, that they would test this at their newest and largest budget resort, and at all the resorts that share facilities with another resort... On top of that I just read, that the rooms at Yacht Club have just finished (?) complete renovation, everything new... I mean, really??

 

[mikethedigiartist]

So instead of saying board your dog because coming back to your room sounds horrible. I suggest saying "consider how you tour WDW and whether bringing a dog fits in your style. Board your dog if its not conducive."

I agree. I should have qualified my statement — for the way I like to vacation at WDW I would really dislike having to arrange my day to accommodate my dog.

Not having the flexibility to stay in the parks as long as I want to does sound horrible to me. If I were on vacation at a beach house, cabin, or similar then bringing a dog along sounds like a great option, but that might not appeal to everyone either.

Obviously in 129 pages there are a lot of points of view, I'm just sticking to the fact that some people really do not spend all day at the parks for a variety of reasons

With the number of people crowding the parks it seems hard to believe that there's anyone that doesn't spend all day in the parks.

It's already hard enough for our family to go places because of dogs, so we were really looking forward to a dog-free atmosphere.

Do you think or have any experience with a reasonably decent hotel or resort that is pet friendly and overrun with dogs? (I'm not being sarcastic, just trying to understand why it sounds like a potential hardship for you.)

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I just read that the "dog rooms" in Animation will be all the Mermaid rooms and Car Suites! Those are already the most popular rooms, and always booked up! Mermaids are never included in any promotion. So that can't be it!
It is really, really puzzling, that they would test this at their newest and largest budget resort, and at all the resorts that share facilities with another resort... On top of that I just read, that the rooms at Yacht Club have just finished (?) complete renovation, everything new... I mean, really??

Well with YC and renovation didn't they take out the carpet? I'm trying to remember if that was the resort other than POP.

I think specific rooms booking up is one thing. But majority or all of the resort booking up is another thing. And that happens enough times at the All-Stars and POP. All-Star Movies isn't included in promotions frequently either.

 

[fla4fun]

A message to all those with a neutral view on this policy change. Those with the wait and see approach.

Do you think in a year's time after the trial is over and Disney has made $s from this service they won't consider rolling out to the other resorts?

Also in a year's you decide you don't like it. Will Disney care about your opinion after they start to make $ and everything has been implemented?

I have made my displeasure known to Disney, but I still want to wait and see if anything is done to balance the scales and make it possible for both sides to be happy. I do not believe they will stop the test at this point, no matter how much negativity is thrown their way. My hope is that they make and enforce the changes necessary for it to work. They have a lot of work to do to earn my trust back, but I still think it’s possible for them to do so.