Travel to Rome and Munich

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The Disboards is my go to forum for everything! I have not found another forum I like as much as the Disboards. I love researching my WDW vactions, but this time I have a different destination. I am going to Rome and Munich for 9 days in December. Any tips, must see places, stories...etc?

My cousin lives in Munich (2 year work assignment), so I will be staying at her flat. In Rome I will be staying in a hotel.

Thanks!
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I highly recommend tripadvisor.com fourms for learning specific details about these places (even though I love the DIS boards too!). They have a forum for each country, and specific forums for each city.

I'm planning a trip to Rome and Munich as well; we'll be starting in Rome and ending in Munich, but going to many other places inbetween. (Florence, Venice, Salzburg).

How many days will you be in Rome? How are you getting from Rome to Munich? Are you going anywhere else, or are you interested in going anywhere else?

In Rome, are you interested in seeing religions sites, or just historical ones? If you want things like an audience with the Pope or a tour of the excavations under St. Peters, you will need reservations. Evenif you aren't religious, I presume you'd be interested in the Vatican museums where you can see priceless works in cluding the Sistine chapel. I don't *think* you need to book ahead for December, but you will want to check that out on tripadvisor. :) They will know.

For us, in Rome, we're visiting the Coliseum, Forum, Palatine Hill (you can get one combo ticket for those three sites) one day, and the Vatican and St. Peter's another day.

My DH isn't so much into big cities, so we aren't staying too long in Rome, just 3 days. Then we're moving on to Florence, and the Cinque Terra.

In Germany, we're staying mostly in small towns in Bavaria where we can enjoy the scenery and visit sites like Neuschwanstein castle, the abbey at Ettal, and Weiskirche. In Munich itself, since we are teetotalers and will have our children with us, we won't be focusing on beer halls, but will visit the Marienplatz to see the Glockenspiel, and also the Deutsches museum, which is the world's largest museum of technology (DH will like this place, and so will the kids).

Since your cousin lives there, it's likely she will know the places that the locals go - the best restaurants, things to see off the beaten path, plus the major tourist sites. Since you will be there in December, the Christmas markets should be open. I would *love* to be able to shop at the German Christmas markets (some people travel there solely for that purpose) but if you're not into shopping or Christmas stuff, then of course, that won't be too exciting for you.

Because of our limited time, we are not taking the children to Dachau, but it is an easy day trip from Munich if you want to visit. (I have been there before. It is VERY intense. I'm not sure we'd take the kids at their ages even if we did have the time. It's very worthwhile to see, though. I don't regret going).

It's hard to advise you on what to see when I'm not sure if you'd like churches, museusm, castles, WWII sites, olympic sites, alpine scenery, hiking, or what. What types of things would you like to see? You will have to pick and choose only your favorites for the time you have.

I hope you will post a trip report when you come back! Our trip isn't until next year. I'd love to read a report here on the DIS! :thumbsup2
 
Laurie31.

Thank you so much for the information. I will check out tripadvisor

We are flying into Rome, staying for 3 nights and then flying from Rome to Munich. I would love to visit other countries, but the main reason for my trip is visiting my cousin, so the bulk of the vacation will be in Germany. I am sure we will find plenty to do in Germany!

I am really interested in all sites: religious, hisorical...anything really. The history behind Rome is amazing to me. I can't wait to see Rome. I would love an audience with the Pope, I am going to look into that. I will check it out on Tripadvisor.

What hotel do you plan on staying at in Rome? They have so many options! I don't want to go with the cheapest, but I don't want the most expensive either... Will you take the train from the airport to the hotel or will you just taxi from the airport? Right now we have a car set up to meet us at the airport, but I am wondering if taking the train would be a better option??

My cousin plans on taking us to Neuschwanstein castle. I am excited to see it! We probably won't focus on beer halls either, but I am sure we will stop at one or two just for the experience.

My cousin told me to come in December for the Christmas Markets! She said they are amazing. I love Christmas, so I am excited to see Germany during the holiday season.

I am going to ask my cousin about going to Dachau. I am sure it is very intense. But, it almost seems like something an adult should see when in Germany. I don't know. I have heard so many stories my entire life, but to actually see one of the camps in person...I just can't imagine the emotions one feels.

I will try to do a trip report when I get back. Thanks again for all of the information!! :goodvibes
 
I was in Germany for awhile during high school, and some of my favorite things to see/do in and around Munich were:

-Ride the U-Bahn and S-Bahn around to explore
-Eat/have a beer at Hofbräuhaus
-Visit the BMW Museum
-If you like churches, visit the Asamkirche, Peterskirche and Frauenkirche. All are VERY beautiful.
-Visit the Olympic Park
-Marienplatz - lots of good shopping, food, and the Glockenspiel.
-Go to Tierpark Hellabrun - it's a pretty cool zoo. It's divided into all the different areas of the world (Asia, Africa, Australia, etc) and they have just about any animal you can think of, plus a petting zoo.
-Dachau. We spent an entire day there - looking at everything, going through the museum and they also have a film that they play. It's pretty intense to be there, but I think that if you're going to be anywhere near it, you have to go. You can ride the S-Bahn there if transportation would be an issue.

There's tons to do, and I did quite a bit more than what I mentioned, so if you have any questions, I can try and help!
 

The Inn at the Spanish Steps, fantastic small hotel, 12 rooms or so with a location that can't be beat.

The only other tip I have (I could go on for an hour) is simple. Don't drink cappuccino after 10:30 am. You'll be pegged as a tourist.

Oh, one other thing. Don't fault the service if you have to ask for your check after dinner at least twice. Dinner is the event of the evening in Italy. The table is yours as long as you'd like. In some cases it may border on insulting if you eat and run.
 
I too strongly suggest posting or reading elsewhere; for English language sites I recommend TripAdvisor or VirtualTourist. While there are three posters from Bavaria here (two from Franken actually), none of us chooses to post much anymore. And while I have worked in Rome, I don't know how much travel advice you will find here.

You are much better off at the sites already suggested. There is also a very small travel section on flyertalk.com; the Germany forum at least is well monitored and we do answer specific questions there. There are several trips about travel in Upper Bavaria and the surrounding area there.
 
I like to visit museums while in other countries. I also like to see the fantastic archetecture, and having a tour guide is a good way to learn a lot of history, which makes the experience even more meaningful. Some people will tell you to stay away from the "tourist traps", but there are just some things I want to see, and I figure they are tourist traps for a reason. It's also fun to go off the beaten path and mingle and eat with the locals,too. Have fun!
 
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Laurie31.

Thank you so much for the information. I will check out tripadvisor

We are flying into Rome, staying for 3 nights and then flying from Rome to Munich. I would love to visit other countries, but the main reason for my trip is visiting my cousin, so the bulk of the vacation will be in Germany. I am sure we will find plenty to do in Germany!

I am really interested in all sites: religious, hisorical...anything really. The history behind Rome is amazing to me. I can't wait to see Rome. I would love an audience with the Pope, I am going to look into that. I will check it out on Tripadvisor.

I believe Papal audiences are only on Wednesdays. It is free to attend, but you need a ticket I believe.

You say "we" are flying into Rome. If you mean just you and another adult, you might be very interested in the Scavi tours of St. Peters, since you are interested in Rome's history.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/i...uffscavi_doc_gen-information_20040112_en.html

We would *love* to go, but they do not allow children under 15, so that rules it out for us. I understand, though. It is a priceless archeological site; they have to draw a line someplace.

I have just finished reading The Agony and the Ecstasy and learned so much about Michaelangelo. I have been to Rome and seen the Sistine Chapel before, years ago, but now I will see it with new eyes. Also the Pieta, which he carved when he was only 23, and which moved me to tears. The history in Rome is almost overwhelming.



What hotel do you plan on staying at in Rome? They have so many options! I don't want to go with the cheapest, but I don't want the most expensive either... Will you take the train from the airport to the hotel or will you just taxi from the airport? Right now we have a car set up to meet us at the airport, but I am wondering if taking the train would be a better option??


Oh, I feel your pain on the hotel choosing!! It is so overwhelming, even to choose what part of Rome to stay in. After much MUCH deliberation, we have chosen to stay at the Beehive, which is a hostel, but with private double rooms as well. However, now I'm going to check out pittsburghmarc's recommendation too. (it's too early to book for us, so we don't actually have reservations yet).

We are planning to take the train...BUT train tickets are 11 Euro each, and if my DD11 has to pay full price, then that's 44 Euro for all of us, and we could get a cab for less, which would take us directly to our hotel. Cabs are about 40 Euro from the airport to the center of Rome. However, if we can get a family saver-type ticket, then we may stick with the train. Major European airports and train stations are well-signed in several languages; you won't have any trouble whichever you choose. :goodvibes




My cousin plans on taking us to Neuschwanstein castle. I am excited to see it! We probably won't focus on beer halls either, but I am sure we will stop at one or two just for the experience.

My cousin told me to come in December for the Christmas Markets! She said they are amazing. I love Christmas, so I am excited to see Germany during the holiday season.

When you go to Neuschwanstein, be sure to walk over to the Marien Brücke

so you can get this view of the castle:

neuschwanstein_5.jpg


with snow! :goodvibes

We are planning to visit Hohenschwangau as well. You can buy a combo ticket for both castles. :thumbsup2


I'm sure your cousin will have a great time showing you around, and you will have the benefit of a "local" guide. :thumbsup2

We might actually check out a bier hall, too, just to say we did. Plus, we will be there during Oktoberfest, and during the daytime, there are activities appropriate for children; it's not only a drinking free-for-all - lol.

I envy you the Christmas markets! I love Christmas too. :goodvibes Since they don't have Thanksgiving there, they kind of go straight into Christmas, so everything should be decorated when you are there!


I am going to ask my cousin about going to Dachau. I am sure it is very intense. But, it almost seems like something an adult should see when in Germany. I don't know. I have heard so many stories my entire life, but to actually see one of the camps in person...I just can't imagine the emotions one feels.

Oh, I would highly recommend that you go. Actually, we might consider taking the children if we only had more time. It's an important part of history, but it's so much more than history. It's something that no movie or book can prepare you to see - the reality of such a place. I can still feel...it's hard to explain...you could feel death. You could feel the death there. :sad1:

I will try to do a trip report when I get back. Thanks again for all of the information!! :goodvibes

You're welcome!

And I look forward to reading it! :goodvibes
 
Laurie31 - Thank you for your post. I read it and plan on responding more when I have some time. I plan on checking out the book you just read!

Thanks again!!!
 
I live in Naples, rather than Rome, but I will give a few pieces of advice that is more of the blending in and being familiar with your surroundings stuff. KNowing what places to visit, etc is really easy in Rome. Just get a good guide book.

Be prepared for rain. Dec is part of the rainy season. It can be miserable.

Carry a small packet of Kleenex in your purse. You may encounter a bathroom that requires you to pay for paper (they decide how much you will get). Some bathrooms (such as those found in the train stations and airport) require money for entrance. Have Euro change handy. Some bathrooms have attendants. It is not ok to stiff them. Even if you only give 10 or 20 cents, drop something in the plate. You can even encounter attendants in a McDonald's restaurant.

Of course, do the touristy stuff. I highly suggest hitting the Sistene Chapel very early in the morning. The waiting line can be very long and extend around the building. At the Coliseum, enter the Forum. At the entrance of the Forum, in the evenings, there is an old lady who feeds the stray cats. She calls them by name and they really do come running. I am a cat lover, so this was a highlight of one of my day trips. She will have a sign asking for people to donate money so that she can feed the cats. You don't have to give money, but it would be good for the strays.

Street vendors are funny. Of course, you are in Europe, so you can haggle. Go cheap. My husband can get the initial price of 20Euro for a pair of knock off glasses down to 20Euro for 2 pair. If they don't accept what you want to pay, just walk away without speaking. They will chase you down if they want to sell the item. Don't fall for the "You are my special American friend. I give you special price." :rolleyes: To them, ALL Americans are their special friend because most are afraid to haggle and they pay whatever price they are told to pay.

Trevi fountain is most beautiful at night. Beware of the vendors walking around with cheap crap in their hands. They can actually ruin your experience. I swear there are dozens of them and the piazza is not that big. Seems as one leaves you alone, another one is bugging you. Don't accept a rose offered to you. They are being sold. Accepting one means you will pay for it. They like to catch Americans off guard. We generally accept things being handed our way. Have some gelato in the ice cream shop at Trevi fountain. They will let you sample if you ask.

The pizza is very different from American style. I have found Rome to be more geared to tourists than Naples. Just basic tomato sauce and a few chunks of buffalo mozzarella cheese in the center is the traditional Italian pizza from Naples. The taste will be slightly off since that cheese is made in my region, but give it a try. Completely different texture. Rather spongy/rubbery. If you can get past the initial shock of the flavor and texture, you will learn to appreciate how good it is and never want traditional mozzarella again. If you order a pizza, it is meant to feed one person. The crust is thin and there are few toppings. You can grab a slice in small shops. Basically, the pizzas are made ahead of time and they warm the slice on a small grill as you order. Don't be surprised if you see a sliced hotdog and french fries pizza. WARNING WARNING!!!!!!!!!! Don't ask for a pepperoni pizza. Pepperoni is Italian for green bell pepper. So, if you want a green bell pepper pizza, ask for a pepperoni pizza. The closest to American pepperoni you will get is a spiced salami. The pizza diavola would be a good one, but it also has hot pepper juice, etc on it to make it hot. I suggest you get a fried rice ball. Don't ask what the mushy/pasty stuff is in the center. I don't know. All I know is the rice balls are one of my favorites.

Try eating at a trattoria. This is a small family restaurant that is usually attached to someone's home. They are usually found in an alley. You will find few tables and most likely will be able to see the kitchen from your seat. Mom might even be cooking in her nightgown....lol. The menu is limited since they are just cooking one or two things each day. Great food. The good restaurants (non-tourist) will not have salt or pepper on the table. Don't insult the cook by asking for it. Pasta will be al dente (slightly chewy). If you get a touristy place, they will cook it mushy to your liking without having to ask.

watch out for thieves. They are everywhere in Italy. Have wallets in the front pockets. Wear purses with the strap across your chest or if not, always make sure the purse is held with your hand and a bit to the front. Keep wrist straps utilized for all cameras. Watch out for scooters. They like to buzz by for the steal. Subways are famous for thieves. Just be aware of your surroundings. If you find you have been pickpocketed, no need to go running after him. I guarantee he ran out of your car and made the pass to his buddy in the car behind you. A British tourist had this happen on my last trip. Sad that he really thought he was going to get his wallet back. You will likely encounter a belt salesman on the street. For the men, don't allow this salesman to grab your pants waist and shake the pants up and down in an attempt to convince you that you need to buy a belt. What he is most likely doing is distracting you from noticing a hand in your pocket. Easy target and loss of wallet.

Don't give to beggars. Do the locals a favor. They are annoying. We prefer they go back to where they came from or just move on from lack of sympathizers. As a warning, giving to them will only mean they will follow you and ask for more. In addition, if it is a small child of 2-5 years, they might even latch on to your leg like a monkey and not let go until you give them more. It happened to a couple that was on one of our tours.

Don't walk out in front of scooters or Smart cars. They don't stop for anyone. Crossing the street, at least in my area, is a learned skill. if you find yourself having trouble crossing, just find some locals and blend in with them as they cross. They know what they are doing. We had to use this technique for a while until we caught on to the system ;) I remember one day we went downtown and stood at a corner for a good 15 minutes waiting to cross. A man sitting at that corner walked over to us, grabbed our hand and just walked across as pretty as you please. We just looked at each other with disbelief. :confused:

The Euro exchange rate is killing us right now. Be prepared. Oh, and the Italian brand name stuff such as purses, etc are not as cheap as most people like to make you believe they are here in Italy. Just the price tag in the window will make you gasp. Then, add 40% for the exchange rate. :eek: Go find the African selling the knockoff :rolleyes1.

That is all I can think of right now. Enjoy your trip. :goodvibes
 
I'd recommend that you post on fodors.com. I also suggest that you research and locate specific restaurants in Rome. We were expecting terrific food in Rome and did not find it - I guess we were unlucky with our restaurant picks.

On fodors.com, if you do a search under Missypie and Italy you will find the trip report of our Italy trip and if you search under Missypie and Germany you will find the trip report of our Germany trip.
 
We were expecting terrific food in Rome and did not find it - I guess we were unlucky with our restaurant picks.

I would have to disagree with your assumption. The food in Italy is different depending on the region. The further south, the poorer the recipes. Rome and below is where you find basic stewed tomato type sauces. You have to go to Tuscany to get what most Americans think of when they imagine fantastically mouthwatering Italian food. The sauces are richer with more of a meat base. Oh, the delicious meat sauces. Truly heaven on a plate. You have to go to Florence for that.

I know in my region, aside from seafood dishes, there are not many meat based sauces. Just some crushed tomatoes, basil, olive oil and garlic. You can barely tell the difference between their sauce and my grandmothers southern American stewed tomatoes. Pretty bland when served over plain pasta, but you get used to it. I still can't get use to the tough little tomato skins though. I found that by ordering Penne Siciliana (basically the tomato sauce with grilled eggplant pieces) it adds more flavor. :thumbsup2

And to add to my other post, dishes vary from region to region. Where I live, there is no lasagna, tortellini, or ravioli. You might be able to find a restaurant here or there that serves it, but most likely it is a tourist trap. If you find lasagna, you might be disappointed. Not the mile high thick layers of rich sauce and gobs of cheese. I remember thinking "Is that it?" :rotfl2: Here, the main pasta is penne.
 

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