Travel agent - will they help with renting DVC??

Given your scenario, I would reach out to a reputable DVC broker and get the ball rolling on a 3-bedroom rental and also reach out to an EarMarked agency and ask them to get you a quote for villas and suites. You won't be able to get any of these numbers until 2017 though. See what they can get for you and then pounce on the one that appeals most. If you end up renting the villa, then ask the agency TA if they would be willing to do the FP's and ADR's for a fee. Some will be willing to do this, but it will most likely be a few hundred dollars.
 
That's really far out. Kids change a lot within a few years. My kids used to be light sleepers but they now sleep like the dead especially when they are as tired out as they would be after a day at WDW. I'm not sure why you only think monorail resorts are an option. You can't use car seats on a bus anyways because how would you anchor it? What do you plan to do on DME? It's a bus. Expanding your selection of possible resorts will really help.
 
Thanks everyone for their help!

To clear up a few things - no, the kids cannot go in a living room. They go to bed at a very early hour, and wake up when people go through their room. So this would have all the adults in bed early, which is not the plan for this sort of family reunion. An adult, however, can go in the living area. Which is why the 3 bedroom setup does work very well. Bed 1 - couple. Bed 2 - couple. Bed 3 - kids. Couch - single adult. A 2 bedroom villa forces one of the couples onto the couch (so the kids can remain in a bedroom), and the single adult into a separate room which can not be guaranteed as nearby. Which would be so so very far from ideal, but would also be the compromise we would make before staying at a non-monorail resort. Again, that is a non-starter.

The trip is likely to be Feb 2018. I am aware of the limited availability of specific room types, so I am trying to figure out the best way to proceed with planning when the time comes, i.e. having the travel agent lined up. And yes, I am also aware that these tend to be extremely expensive rooms. I would like to get the best deal possible, of course, but we are financially equipped for the pricier accommodations.

I feel like we are going a little off track, though. Again, I am focused on a primary question here - is there an agent/broker I can hire who will research and make the best selection between regular booking and renting points? I know they typically make their money through the room booking commissions. But perhaps there are WDW travel agents out there who charge a fee instead, and will then give me unbiased feedback and recommendations??



It is primarily the 3 bedroom villas we are interested in. Another poster mentioned that they tend not to become available through regular room rental. Do you agree this is also the case?
This remains my holdout in simply hiring a travel agent. A travel agent might tell me, sure, you can rent any room at Disney through us. Then, whoops, nope, that room never comes available through regular booking, so we end up in a 2 bedroom (not ideal). When meanwhile we could have gotten that 3 bedroom through a points broker. But not the full scale travel agent service I am looking for. Or vice versa - we could have gotten the room through an agent, and not the broker. By them being limited to only one form on booking, I am limited. I am hoping to find someone who is NOT limited.

If you decide to go with renting points from a DVC owner, you're looking at getting the ball rolling in March 2017...so plenty of time to think about it.
As far as using a TA, sure, that's not an issue. There are plenty of TAs out there. But...they won't be able to book you a villa using points. It would have to be a cash reservation. And that could be a huge issue. There aren't that many grand villas available. Usually, DVC owners book them right at their 11 month window....it's almost as though they're scarcer than hen's teeth. It would be a huge coup to get on. I highly doubt you would be able to rent a grand villa outside of using DVC points. They never make it to that market.

All TAs get their pay from the hotels..not the client. When you use a Disney qualified TA, they get paid by Disney, after making all your reservations. Very few TAs get paid by us, the traveler.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'unbiased' recommendations. TAs want you to be happy with your trip. Word of mouth is the biggest form of advertising a TA can get..if you got a TA who gave you bad info, you wouldn't waste any time telling the world about it. That TA wouldn't get much more business.
So, TAs are going to give you pretty good recommendations...as long as they are Disney qualified!!! I used one, for my first stay in WDW in '99. Man, that woman had no clue what she was doing...caused some not so wonderful experiences once we got there. But, I didn't know any better.

I really think you're going to have issues meeting all of your needs. A monorail resort, with enough beds so that the entire group is together and the kids have their own room. That's going to impossible to get. None of these resorts have accommodations that will give you that kind of room..other than a grand villa.
As for making all your dining ADRs and such? Sure go with a TA. But as others have already mentioned, you are going to have to tell that TA when you want to eat, where you want to eat and how many are eating. It's much easier to just sit at the computer and make those yourself.
FP+ choices? Same thing...you need to do the research yourself.

I have little use for TAs. Between these boards, and others like them, and guidebooks, I feel I'm much better off doing all my own booking. But, others like to use a TA.
 

I just did a quick search of DVC grand villas, using next June as a future date. The bungalows at the Polynesian won't give you what you're looking for as far as sleeping arrangements go. The GF will, I think anyway. And BLT will most certainly. I'm not sure of what your budget is, but a grand villa, at BLT for a week would be about 750 pts. If you used a broker, that would come out to about $11,000, probably a bit more depending on views. I rounded a bit.
 
There aren't that many grand villas available. Usually, DVC owners book them right at their 11 month window....it's almost as though they're scarcer than hen's teeth. It would be a huge coup to get on. I highly doubt you would be able to rent a grand villa outside of using DVC points. They never make it to that market.

Occasionally a GV can be available at 7 months, or even for random dates that end up going into the cash rez pool. But it's usually SSR or OKW, certainly not BLT or VGF, which sound like the only two villa resorts OP would want to consider.
 
If 3-bedroom + monorail resort are your requirements, you're looking at BLT and VGF as others have mentioned.
For February 2017, points needed for 3 bed at BLT range from a low of 743 points to as many as 1065 depending on when during the month and view (lake or theme park).
Grand Floridian range from 993 ponts to 1174.
Because of the large number of points required for this, my guess is it's unlikely that one person would have all the points you need, it would likely take making contact/contracts with several to pull this off. Probably possible at BLT but I'm going to bet it's unlikely you will find 1000 VGF points available at the 11 month window for a reservation of this nature. YMMV of course

Not trying to be a downer but rather give you an idea of what your chances are for this particular option. IF you can find a fee for Disney planner to do the legwork, I'd closely question how far they'd be willing to go into researching and executing a points rental agreement for this - it's not going to be a quick one click transaction. The other thing to consider is renting points usually is a final transaction - can't be changed or canceled and payment is way in advance of the trip. So should someone get sick, drop out of the trip, or adopt triplets a month before the trip, you are not likely to get a refund if you need to make a change to plans.

Disney used to have a Grand Gatherings department to help with trips such as this. It was disbanded a couple years ago, probably because the demand just wasn't there to support it. So there's not a lot out there geared towards family reunion type trips such as this.
 
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When renting DVC points, you are on your own to do everything else. There isn't a travel agent that will be able to assist with renting points. If you book directly through Disney, you will pay a premium for a 3 bedroom grand villa, if available, but a travel agent can assist with that and all of your other planning. Either way, as others have stated, you will still have to choose your dining locations, fast passes, etc. the travel agent can then book everything for you. One thing I might suggest, that you may not be open to, is the Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin. I don't know how familiar you are with all of the resorts. The Swan and Dolphin are in the Epcot resort area, are not owned and operated by Disney, but are in a prime location, walking distance to two parks. You would still get Disney transportation and extra magic hours, but wouldn't have access to the dining plan or magical express. They offer discounts to teachers, nurses, and military, and WILL guarantee connecting rooms and rooms right near each other. They even have some family suites. We stayed once with a group of 20 something, and had connecting rooms and all rooms were located near each other. The pool is beautiful, and boardwalk and yacht and beach club are right there. When we stayed there it was one of my favorite Disney vacations of all...and we are DVC members and have had many! It was actually this vacation that made me fall in love with the Epcot Resort area and then we bought DVC at Beach Club (after renting for several years) So, just something you could consider if open to. Good luck with your planning.
 
How about the King Kamehamha suite at the Polynesian in the Tonga Longhouse?
According to Tikiman's website it is described as such:
King Kamehameha Suite


The king of all suites is the King Kamehameha Suite that is also located on the marina side of the Tonga Longhouse on the first and second floor.

This suite is 1863 sq-ft and has two bedrooms 3 1/2 bathrooms, a living room and a kitchen. You can add on 3 additional bedrooms to this suite. The king bedroom is 452 sq-ft and has a CD player and DVD player. The second bedroom is 386 sq-ft. Both have their own bathrooms and the King has a master suite bathroom and an additional bathroom.

The master suite bathroom includes a whirlpool bath and bidet. The parlor includes a mini-kitchen, small refrigerator, icemaker, small microwave, dishwasher.
 
I would also look into Wilderness Lodge. It's not connected to the monorail, but it is close, and it's only a ferry ride (no bus needed) to get to the Magic Kingdom. New cabins are being built, so it may be worthwhile to see what those look like. But they may not be more than two bedrooms.

As far as grand villas, I think Bay Lake Tower will be easier to book than Grand Floridan. But I don't think travel agents will work on an hourly basis for you. Maybe, if you did a split stay, and booked a night through Disney before everyone else arrived.
 
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Just a side note for point renting. We rented for our trip last fall and we had to go with a private rental because none of the rental brokers had enough points to secure a 1 week rental at any of the monorail resorts. I was able to find what I needed on the DVC rent/trade board here on the DIS. However, it was just 1 family of 5 renting, not several families who wanted to all be in the same suite.
 
You could research and find if there is a TA who would charge by the hour of work, but why not just read here? You're here already asking questions. Just ask different ones.

Your username is killing me since you say you don't want to plan. :)

People here have laid out the spaces you might want. Read deeper in the threads about each dvc on the monorail and see if any of them work for you.

By the way, are you not planning to go to Animal Kingdom at all???
LOL Well, I suppose planning is all relative. But I am aware that I still need to put a lot of work into the other planning, i.e. what and when we want to eat, which nights we dine together or separately, which days at which parks, which rides to get FPs. That's a lot. And I am the planner for everyone. I have the responsibility of hustling these people into some order of a plan. I would like to have a travel agent on top of executing that, for example, sorting through the restaurants to know which have a large table open on these dates, and hopefully which have a table open on closer dates when we suddenly have to change plans because someone flaked.
Also, I travel out of the country a lot, often with spotty wifi, so can not depend on being available online at the exact time reservations open up to get things booked. I want someone who can handle that. That's a freaking JOB.

Animal Kingdom is not ruled out, but if we do it, it will be one day, and with local family members. Which is more of the anomaly of the trip.
Given your scenario, I would reach out to a reputable DVC broker and get the ball rolling on a 3-bedroom rental and also reach out to an EarMarked agency and ask them to get you a quote for villas and suites. You won't be able to get any of these numbers until 2017 though. See what they can get for you and then pounce on the one that appeals most. If you end up renting the villa, then ask the agency TA if they would be willing to do the FP's and ADR's for a fee. Some will be willing to do this, but it will most likely be a few hundred dollars.
Yes, I am open to this. My question is if anyone knows, and can highly recommend, agencies that do offer something like this, as opposed to just commission based work.

That's really far out. Kids change a lot within a few years. My kids used to be light sleepers but they now sleep like the dead especially when they are as tired out as they would be after a day at WDW. I'm not sure why you only think monorail resorts are an option. You can't use car seats on a bus anyways because how would you anchor it? What do you plan to do on DME? It's a bus. Expanding your selection of possible resorts will really help.
The kids are not the only reason for the monorail requirement. My choice was for the 4 seasons. I was outvoted - strongly - by adults who prefer to stay on property. I didn't really lay out every single minutia of our our lives in my initial post, lol, but yes, we do have our reasons, and we are very set on monorail. And we don't want to plan around the hope that the kids are different sleepers, because honestly, they are great sleepers. The kind of sleepers that other parents envy. They just require a quiet, dark room. We are not making plans based on hoping their sleeping patterns undergo an immense change, because we really do everything possible to prevent that. They are very scheduled, very structured kids, and that works for everyone.

All TAs get their pay from the hotels..not the client. When you use a Disney qualified TA, they get paid by Disney, after making all your reservations. Very few TAs get paid by us, the traveler.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'unbiased' recommendations. TAs want you to be happy with your trip. Word of mouth is the biggest form of advertising a TA can get..if you got a TA who gave you bad info, you wouldn't waste any time telling the world about it. That TA wouldn't get much more business.
By unbiased, I mean that TAs earn their commission through hotel bookings, so obviously will point me there. I don't expect them to point me towards renting points, even though that may be the better option for circumstances. Thus, I am looking for someone who is open to looking at BOTH options and giving me unbiased advice. Someone who straddles the line of both broker and travel agent. Even if their payment structure is then fee-based.

One thing I might suggest, that you may not be open to, is the Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin. I don't know how familiar you are with all of the resorts. The Swan and Dolphin are in the Epcot resort area, are not owned and operated by Disney, but are in a prime location, walking distance to two parks. You would still get Disney transportation and extra magic hours, but wouldn't have access to the dining plan or magical express. They offer discounts to teachers, nurses, and military, and WILL guarantee connecting rooms and rooms right near each other.
So about a year or so ago my sister stayed at the Swan and Dolphin as it was selected by her in-laws and she had little say in the matter. They guaranteed connecting rooms. She did not get connecting rooms. It was a disaster. Which has led to a vow to never trust another Disney connecting room reservation again.

How about the King Kamehamha suite at the Polynesian in the Tonga Longhouse?
You can add on 3 additional bedrooms to this suite.
This would be lovely. And I have read that many of the resort suites offer connecting rooms to increase the number of bedrooms, and that would be the absolutely IDEAL circumstance. Just keep adding on the bedrooms. We could have the whole party together.
However, it still seems to rely upon the connecting room which is NOT guaranteed. So thus, just like any regular connecting rooms, not a viable option. If, however, people here have further knowledge about how connecting rooms to suites are more guaranteed than their standard room counterparts, I'd definitely be all ears!

I would also look into Wilderness Lodge. It's not connected to the monorail, but it is close, and it's only a ferry ride (no bus needed) to get to the Magic Kingdom.
A ferry is definitely more appealing than a bus, but my party has been pretty firm. Monorail. Again, the 3 bedrooms exist in the monorail resorts. And I am open to either of the 3 resorts, and I am somewhat flexible on dates. I think the prices being quoted here are actually much more reasonable than I was expecting. I do think it can be done. I was just hoping to hire someone to determine the BEST possible way to do it, and to handle it all.

Just a side note for point renting. We rented for our trip last fall and we had to go with a private rental because none of the rental brokers had enough points to secure a 1 week rental at any of the monorail resorts.
Well now, that is a new potential problem no one has mentioned before!
 
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If you are interested in renting a grand villa at one of the monorail resorts, I would suggest getting in touch with David's. We initially started out working with them when we rented. They could probably give you a better idea if a grand villa would be available for rental during the time frame in which you are looking. They have a chat feature on their website and are quick when it comes to email replies. Their customer service is great. This may at least help you make the initial decision of trying to rent versus making a reservation through Disney.
 
LOL Well, I suppose planning is all relative. But I am aware that I still need to put a lot of work into the other planning, i.e. what and when we want to eat, which nights we dine together or separately, which days at which parks, which rides to get FPs. That's a lot. And I am the planner for everyone, including one pair of notoriously flaky adults. They are lovely, but they are also prone to saying, on Tuesday, "Oh, we scheduled a group dinner for Thursday? I made a plan to meet up with local friends Thursday. Oops!" Or booking plane tickets for the wrong dates. That kind of stuff. I have the responsibility of hustling these people into some order of a plan. I would like to have a travel agent on top of executing that, for example, sorting through the restaurants to know which have a large table open on these dates, and hopefully which have a table open on closer dates when we suddenly have to change plans because someone flaked.
Also, I travel out of the country a lot, often with spotty wifi, so can not depend on being available online at the exact time reservations open up to get things booked. I want someone who can handle that. That's a freaking JOB.

Animal Kingdom is not ruled out, but if we do it, it will be one day, and with local family members. Which is more of the anomaly of the trip.
Yes, I am open to this. My question is if anyone knows, and can highly recommend, agencies that do offer something like this, as opposed to just commission based work.

The kids are not the only reason for the monorail requirement. My choice was for the 4 seasons. I was outvoted - strongly - by adults who prefer to stay on property. I didn't really lay out every single minutia of our our lives in my initial post, lol, but yes, we do have our reasons, and we are very set on monorail. And we don't want to plan around the hope that the kids are different sleepers, because honestly, they are great sleepers. The kind of sleepers that other parents envy. They just require a quiet, dark room. We are not making plans based on hoping their sleeping patterns undergo an immense change, because we really do everything possible to prevent that. They are very scheduled, very structured kids, and that works for everyone.

By unbiased, I mean that TAs earn their commission through hotel bookings, so obviously will point me there. I don't expect them to point me towards renting points, even though that may be the better option for circumstances. Thus, I am looking for someone who is open to looking at BOTH options and giving me unbiased advice. Someone who straddles the line of both broker and travel agent. Even if their payment structure is then fee-based.

So about a year or so ago my sister stayed at the Swan and Dolphin as it was selected by her in-laws and she had little say in the matter. They guaranteed connecting rooms. She did not get connecting rooms. It was a disaster. Which has led to a vow to never trust another Disney connecting room reservation again.


This would be lovely. And I have read that many of the resort suites offer connecting rooms to increase the number of bedrooms, and that would be the absolutely IDEAL circumstance. Just keep adding on the bedrooms. We could have the whole party together.
However, it still seems to rely upon the connecting room which is NOT guaranteed. So thus, just like any regular connecting rooms, not a viable option. If, however, people here have further knowledge about how connecting rooms to suites are more guaranteed than their standard room counterparts, I'd definitely be all ears!

A ferry is definitely more appealing than a bus, but my party has been pretty firm. Monorail. Again, the 3 bedrooms exist in the monorail resorts. And I am open to either of the 3 resorts, and I am somewhat flexible on dates. I think the prices being quoted here are actually much more reasonable than I was expecting. I do think it can be done. I was just hoping to hire someone to determine the BEST possible way to do it, and to handle it all.

Well now, that is a new potential problem no one has mentioned before!

Swan and Dolphin are not Disney-run hotels. Connecting rooms are NOT guaranteed at Disney ~ ever. If/when a phone CM tells you they are available, they are wrong. What you are talking about is called a lock-off, and they aren't available with unlimited bedrooms. That isn't how the resorts are built.

Is this your first Disney visit? Because frankly, you aren't going to find a TA that is going to do all that for you. If you cancel a dinner reservation within 24 hours of the reservation, you're charged $10 per person.
 
The difficulty with trying to rent a grand villa is the very high point cost. Using the example above, you'd need an owner that had 800-1000 points, wasn't using any of them, AND had given that many points to David's to unload for them. That trifecta might not be as rare as hen's teeth, but it's pretty darn close.

In practice, you'd probably end up working with a number of owners, having a series of shorter reservations, that the owners would have to ask DVC member services to link together.
 
How about the King Kamehamha suite at the Polynesian in the Tonga Longhouse?
According to Tikiman's website it is described as such:
King Kamehameha Suite


The king of all suites is the King Kamehameha Suite that is also located on the marina side of the Tonga Longhouse on the first and second floor.

The King Kamehameha Suite is not available using DVC points from anyone but it may be reserved directly through Disney by calling directly or via a travel agent.

Dreams Unlimited Travel would be able to assist with that reservation and associated park admission, dining plans, ADRs, etc. Depending on availability, it might be able to be reserved even now for your 2018 trip - although the actual pricing would be updated once that becomes available sometime in 2017.
 
Swan and Dolphin are not Disney-run hotels. Connecting rooms are NOT guaranteed at Disney ~ ever. If/when a phone CM tells you they are available, they are wrong. What you are talking about is called a lock-off, and they aren't available with unlimited bedrooms. That isn't how the resorts are built.

Is this your first Disney visit? Because frankly, you aren't going to find a TA that is going to do all that for you. If you cancel a dinner reservation within 24 hours of the reservation, you're charged $10 per person.
I realize connecting rooms are not guaranteed. I put that in my very first post about how we are not considering connecting rooms for that EXACT reason. I referenced the Swan and Dolphin only in response to the other poster's suggestion.

Yes, I have been to Disney quite a bit. But I have never had to plan a large group. I am aware that a TA won't be able to perform magic and pull a dining reservation out that doesn't exists. But if one does, s/he will be the one to find it. It was simply an example of how I have enough hassles corralling people, I would prefer to hand much of the booking off to someone else.
The difficulty with trying to rent a grand villa is the very high point cost. Using the example above, you'd need an owner that had 800-1000 points, wasn't using any of them, AND had given that many points to David's to unload for them. That trifecta might not be as rare as hen's teeth, but it's pretty darn close.

In practice, you'd probably end up working with a number of owners, having a series of shorter reservations, that the owners would have to ask DVC member services to link together.
Is this not what a broker would do, then?

The King Kamehameha Suite is not available using DVC points from anyone but it may be reserved directly through Disney by calling directly or via a travel agent.

Dreams Unlimited Travel would be able to assist with that reservation and associated park admission, dining plans, ADRs, etc. Depending on availability, it might be able to be reserved even now for your 2018 trip - although the actual pricing would be updated once that becomes available sometime in 2017.
But that suite still just has 2 bedrooms. I need at least 3. Would a connecting room to that suite be any more guaranteed than a regular set of connecting rooms? Because I would not book a 2 bedroom suite with a connecting rooms if there is a risk I would show up and not have the connecting room.
 
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But that suite still just has 2 bedrooms. I need at least 3. Would a connecting room to that suite be any more guaranteed than a regular set of connecting rooms? Because I would not book a 2 bedroom suite with a connecting rooms if there is a risk I would show up and not have the connecting room.

Yes, Disney can guarantee a connecting room with a premium suite with that ability - based on availability.
 
The King Kamehameha suite is in the Tonga longhouse which is a suite-only, club level longhouse. If you book the suite with the connecting rooms, it will be guaranteed. If you want this, I would get in touch with a TA now. I'm sure Dreams Unlimited or another EarMarked Agency can handle this for you. When contacting them, why not let them know your dilemma and ask if, in addition to quoting you a WDW room or package, if they would be willing to work on a fee-basis to investigate the possible DVC rental for you. This is an unconventional request, but someone may be willing to work with you. You really won't know until you ask an agency to start working on this for you. If you want the Poly suite with connecting rooms, you really need to book it ASAP.
 




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