Trading question

fuzzlekins

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DVC in general is new to me but I've been reading about renting points here. We have an Occidental Vacation Club membership (which works a little differently - no points), so I'm wondering ... Do DVC owners ever trade points for a stay in the Caribbean or something like that? And if so, how would one go about soliciting that? Or, alternately, is DVC part of RCI? (I've never done it but I know we can trade our OVC time thru RCI.)
 
DVC does trade through RCI.

As for private trading, generally speaking you are better off trying to find someone willing to rent your timeshare for a fee, and then use the proceeds from that transaction to rent DVC. The odds of finding a 1-to-1 match with a DVC owner would seem to be rather remote.

But I would investigate RCI first. Many reports of success trading in through RCI, but a lot of it depends upon the desirability of the timeshare you own and how flexible you are in accepting various dates / villa sizes / resorts within the DVC program.
 
DVC does trade through RCI.

As for private trading, generally speaking you are better off trying to find someone willing to rent your timeshare for a fee, and then use the proceeds from that transaction to rent DVC. The odds of finding a 1-to-1 match with a DVC owner would seem to be rather remote.

But I would investigate RCI first. Many reports of success trading in through RCI, but a lot of it depends upon the desirability of the timeshare you own and how flexible you are in accepting various dates / villa sizes / resorts within the DVC program.

Thanks! It's all confusing to me - not sure why. Our timeshare actually allows us to use any week except Christmas, New Year's, or Easter and we can stay at any Occidental all-inclusive resort - we just pay a certain amt based on what resort is picked. I guess I'll have to call someone at OVC to hopefully walk me through the RCI process. This year we're using our OVC week for Aruba but next year we don't expect to use it so it could go toward Disney (I hope!).
 
Thanks! It's all confusing to me - not sure why. Our timeshare actually allows us to use any week except Christmas, New Year's, or Easter and we can stay at any Occidental all-inclusive resort - we just pay a certain amt based on what resort is picked. I guess I'll have to call someone at OVC to hopefully walk me through the RCI process. This year we're using our OVC week for Aruba but next year we don't expect to use it so it could go toward Disney (I hope!).
As a rule AI resorts are a very poor trade value. What are the AI fees for your resort and is it the same if you allow a renter to use it (this type of private exchange is a rental technically)? If you can deposit Aruba then just look at what you can get and what the TPU is. If you can get week 7, that will likely be your best bet. MX is likely to be much lower TPU. That should give you close to 60 TPU for week 7 and in the mid 40's or above for many winter weeks. Then put in a request and hope for the best.
 

As a rule AI resorts are a very poor trade value. What are the AI fees for your resort and is it the same if you allow a renter to use it (this type of private exchange is a rental technically)? If you can deposit Aruba then just look at what you can get and what the TPU is. If you can get week 7, that will likely be your best bet. MX is likely to be much lower TPU. That should give you close to 60 TPU for week 7 and in the mid 40's or above for many winter weeks. Then put in a request and hope for the best.

That just went over my head like a lead balloon. :lmao: What is TPU?

The way it works is we pay a set maintenance fee each year (I believe it will be around $225 for next yr), then we pay the AI portion of any resort stay in MX, DR, Costa Rica, or Aruba. We can stay at any class of resort (Allegro, Grand, or Royal) - we pay an upgrade fee if the resort is above our membership category. So, for instance, we are paying $2142 for a week in the Grand in Aruba for my husband, DD6, and I. That's in June, but the price doesn't change a lot for any other time of year. And yes, our renters would pay the same. The person making the trade could choose their own week and resort. If it costs more than the week at Disney would cost us, then they'd have to pay the difference. So, in a nutshell, I have no idea what that equates to with RCI.
 
That just went over my head like a lead balloon. :lmao: What is TPU?

The way it works is we pay a set maintenance fee each year (I believe it will be around $225 for next yr), then we pay the AI portion of any resort stay in MX, DR, Costa Rica, or Aruba. We can stay at any class of resort (Allegro, Grand, or Royal) - we pay an upgrade fee if the resort is above our membership category. So, for instance, we are paying $2142 for a week in the Grand in Aruba for my husband, DD6, and I. That's in June, but the price doesn't change a lot for any other time of year. And yes, our renters would pay the same. The person making the trade could choose their own week and resort. If it costs more than the week at Disney would cost us, then they'd have to pay the difference. So, in a nutshell, I have no idea what that equates to with RCI.
I'll try to keep this short and simple. Almost all timeshare exchange companies including the big 2, RCI & II, use s trade power formula. You must have sufficient trade power to qualify for a given trade. II won't tell you that you don't have enough trade power, their info is hidden and their formula relatively secret though the components are known. RCI used to be that way as well but they've changed and now they tell you what the trade power for a given resort and week is, it's called TPU. To get a 2 BR at DVC you're generally going to need a TPU in the mid 40's. You also need to search sufficiently ahead to have the best chance of success, for DVC that's around 10-12 months out minimum though 2 years out gives you a better chance. You need to understand this info if you plan to exchange through RCI.

I can't speak for your system but often with this type of arrangement you're limited to exchanging with RCI for the resort you're actually designated at or there may be other restrictions. You'll need to investigate that issue. I picked Aruba because I got the sense that might be where you own. Unfortunately most of the deposits for your resort system would be under 20 TPU and you'd need 2 or 3 deposits combined for an additional fee of $109 to hope to trade to DVC plus the roughly $200 exchange fee. For Aruba during high season the AI fee exchanging through II is closer to $2700 for 2 people plus the exchange fee.

Nothing against you but I have a fundamental issue with the resorts that charge a small fee then pass along much of the maint fee to the exchanger as part of the AI fee. However, other than Aruba, generally the TPU or other trading power is reflective of that issue with very low demand, low trade power and a lot of unused availability.
 
Yikes. Sounds like I'll probably be better off renting my week out privately and renting DVC pts directly. We've rented our weeks out before but not often. The retail value of our week in Aruba (compared to Expedia, etc.) is about $4000, so we love the OVC and it's generally not too hard to find a renter for that kind of a deal. ;) Just didn't know whether it would work out better as a trade but it sounds like not.
 
Yikes. Sounds like I'll probably be better off renting my week out privately and renting DVC pts directly. We've rented our weeks out before but not often. The retail value of our week in Aruba (compared to Expedia, etc.) is about $4000, so we love the OVC and it's generally not too hard to find a renter for that kind of a deal. ;) Just didn't know whether it would work out better as a trade but it sounds like not.
If you can deposit Aruba for the highest demand weeks it very well may be worth it but otherwise, likely not. Plus you'll have to pay to belong to RCI unless it's included with your membership. For Aruba you'd have to deposit somewhere between week 5 & 14 and at least a 1 BR to have enough trade power to be pretty certain you'd have a chance at a 2 BR, some additional weeks MIGHT get you a 1 BR but you might just miss the TPU. The hotel unit would give you a chance for a 1 or 2 BR only a very few weeks. If you can't pick both the resort and week to deposit from your system, you should not do so. If you can and you can get a top week, it's reasonable to do so. As noted, you could make multiple deposits and combine them but that's unlikely to be cost effective in this situation.

The AI fee to that resort for summer through RCI is over $3300 for those same 3 people. Not only is your resort transferring about 3/4 of the maint fee to the exchanger, they're jacking up the AI price over that an additional $1000. Those are some of the reasons whey AI resorts tend to have a lot of exchange availability and low trading power. Aruba is a bit of an anomaly in that it's demand, while seasonal, is relatively high much of the year. I'm sure most of the other resorts in the system have AI fees that are far more variable. Again, not directed at you, just providing the info.

ETA: I doubt retail prices have a lot of impact. I'd figure you could get around $600-800 for the hotel unit for a mid summer week exclusive of the AI fee. Is the AI fee optional for owners? If so, how much would the week stay be for summer without the AI and in addition to the $225 maint fees?
 
FWIW, playing with RCI's Trade Power Calculator shows:

5764-Occidental Grand Aruba
2BR unit , week 7 in 2014
==> 59 TPU

Wow, all that for a MF of <$300/yr?
 
FWIW, playing with RCI's Trade Power Calculator shows:

5764-Occidental Grand Aruba
2BR unit , week 7 in 2014
==> 59 TPU

Wow, all that for a MF of <$300/yr?
That's the only applicable week that's that high, some of the rest are 52 Feb and early March. The questions are whether there are additional charges to deposit on the resort side and whether you can get and deposit that week.
 
Thanks, Dean, fair enough.

From the other side of the coin (inbound RCI exchange guest), I see that AI is mandatory.
RCI exchange info said:
Additional Information
  • Mandatory 7 Night All Inclusive Program. Fees are per person, per night in double occupancy: Sep01/2012-Dec21/2012 US$155; Dec22/2012-Apr06/2013 US$190; Apr07/2013-Jun28/2013 US$165; Jun29/2013-Aug31/2013 US$190; Sep01/2013-Dec20/2013 US$165. Children 3-12 years old 50% off.
    Program includes all meals and beverages.
  • To expedite your check in, please prepay the All Inclusive by calling Occidental Vacation Club at: 1888/538-8048, at least 30 days before your travel dates. Cash payments are not accepted. Fees are subject to change without notice.
  • A US$100 refundable deposit will be held upon check in to a credit card for incidental expenses (calls, etc).

RCI shows lots of inventory ... so I played both sides again. RCI will offer 31 TPU for 2BR deposit for week 50 but only charges 29 TPU to book the same.

(I'm not interested other than the fun of checking out the back story.)
 
Wow, still very confusing to me (and I'm even a numbers person)! As PP mentioned, AI is mandatory for OVC members b/c we don't pay anything for the hotel stay itself - that's the upfront membership fee. I lucked out big time b/c I picked up my membership (lifetime w/ bonus wks and can be willed to my daughter) for $1000 on Ebay. It was a steal, needless to say. We've used it to stay in Orlando at Liki Tiki Village for $155 for a whole week (plus the annual maint. fee of course). That's an exchange privilege where we don't have to get RCI involved. I believe we are automatically members of RCI through the club, but could be wrong on that. We're also only looking for a studio at a Disney resort. And when we use our OVC, we do deluxe hotel room. That's not to say someone else couldn't upgrade I guess but again, not really sure how that transferring works since it's not a straightforward "timeshare" where we own a certain unit at a certain resort for a certain week. Royal Club is also a really good deal. Could have done that in Aruba for about $2900 (prices out to about $7000 on Expedia) - no idea what it's worth in RCI. But for the sake of simplicity and since it doesn't sound like it would wind up being greatly in my favor or anything, I guess I'll go with the renting of pts scenario instead. I appreciate all the info though! :) I may want to trade for some other resort/location someday.
 
Wow, still very confusing to me (and I'm even a numbers person)! As PP mentioned, AI is mandatory for OVC members b/c we don't pay anything for the hotel stay itself - that's the upfront membership fee. I lucked out big time b/c I picked up my membership (lifetime w/ bonus wks and can be willed to my daughter) for $1000 on Ebay. It was a steal, needless to say. We've used it to stay in Orlando at Liki Tiki Village for $155 for a whole week (plus the annual maint. fee of course). That's an exchange privilege where we don't have to get RCI involved. I believe we are automatically members of RCI through the club, but could be wrong on that. We're also only looking for a studio at a Disney resort. And when we use our OVC, we do deluxe hotel room. That's not to say someone else couldn't upgrade I guess but again, not really sure how that transferring works since it's not a straightforward "timeshare" where we own a certain unit at a certain resort for a certain week. Royal Club is also a really good deal. Could have done that in Aruba for about $2900 (prices out to about $7000 on Expedia) - no idea what it's worth in RCI. But for the sake of simplicity and since it doesn't sound like it would wind up being greatly in my favor or anything, I guess I'll go with the renting of pts scenario instead. I appreciate all the info though! :) I may want to trade for some other resort/location someday.
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