Tour Groups from Brazil Watch....

[irunnoft]

Just to be clear - this isn't about prejudice on my part. I could care less if the groups were from Brazil or America. I think the point that may be getting lost here isn't the nationality of the groups, but rather the size, behavior and number of the groups. Someone posted earlier in this thread a comment about them not speaking English. I don't recall reading anybody making a comment about their foreign language as being a problem until they pretend not to understand some basic English when guests have attempted to stop them from cutting in line, etc.

Sure, somebody is always going to be in line in front of you in Disney World, but when you get one person in front of you in a line for the FP kiosk and that person has 200 tickets, it's like you're standing in a line and you're the 201st person in line! There is no way anybody can draw a reasonable correlation between the tour guides hitting the FP machines and a Dad getting 3-4 tickets for his family. That just doesn't make sense.

Again, the same bodes true for lines - whether they be stand-by or FP - sure somebody will be in front of you. No big deal. However, when you have maybe ten kids in bright green shirts plow into you and push themselves like a wave from Typhoon Lagoon around you and your kids to get in front of you - that's a problem. Not only because of the danger and rudeness of the act, but also because these kids blatantly disregard decent behavior and act as if it is an inalienable right for them to catch up to the others who just ran in front. The tour guides seem to look down on us as well as the children. I'm not trying to be hateful here, but I've definitely had the feeling that these kids look down on us.

Someone posted something about the dance groups at the Coronado Springs. I didn't stay at CS, but I did see those groups on our last trip. The only time I saw them was when we went to Pepper Market. To my knowledge, I never saw any of those groups in the parks. Now as far as being loud, noisy and inconsiderate when they returned to CS after being in the parks, that's a shame.

I think that any group of teens/adolescents has the ability to become obnoxious very quickly - regardless of nationality. That's pretty much a given. Being away from home, being in Disney, being hopped up on junk food, etc. is all a recipe for obnoxious behavior. However, there are things that could be implemented by WDW and the tour guides that would stop it. A strong response and zero tolerance from WDW would work and tour guides that were more vigilant and less like camp counselors/friends would be a start. The tour guides can put an end to a lot of this nonsense, but as of now they choose not to.

I'm sorry, but there is a distinct difference between the flag people and your everyday families. I haven't seen families suddenly break into chanting! These kids are obnoxious. Sorry. No real way to sugar coat it. One last shining example. On Kilimanjaro Safari on an extra magic hour early morning Safari, one of these groups ruined it for the whole expedition. Some of the boys began shouting at the animals and making so much noise that you couldn't hear the driver. The boys were yelling "Bambi" at almost every animal. The oblivious tour guide did nothing. Said nothing. It was people on the ride who'd had enough who commented loudly enough that got them quiet. However, they had the boys had the audacity to look incredulous - as though they'd done nothing wrong. This wasn't just one or two boys making this noise, by the way, there were several.

Sure, it's the Magic Kingdom and sure I want everybody to have a magical time there. Everybody deserves that. However, I think that one person's rights to that magical time end where another person's begins. Creating mobs that become so noisy and so rowdy that they literally terrorize some small families and drive little kids to tears is going too far. I don't care if they scream on rides like BTM or ToT. You're supposed to scream on those rides - but when they start yelling and screaming just to be loud and obnoxious on the Safari or during movies in various countries in EPCOT - that's not cool. That's not just "kids having fun". That's kids behaving poorly and nobody doing anything about it. I also know a lot of them want to see the characters and get their pics taken with them. I've got no problem with that, but you should see some of the things they do to the poor CMs in the character costumes. One person told me about how she'd seen one of the kids jump the line run up to Winnie the Pooh and tie him to a lamp post all before the character's handler could get Disney security there.

 

[Shelton123]

Once I saw a few families vacationing together. There was a total of about 7 kids ranging from 3-6, I assume. Well one of the mom's was getting a fastpass. The others waited near the side of the pathway, when a Brazilian tourist group just runs over all seven kids. I saw them all on the cround crying. The tourists just went on like nothing happened.

 

[itchin2go]

Found this article that may be of interest:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-brazil1208jul12,0,4887201.story

Sorry if it's been posted before. I found it interesting.

My one brush with one of these groups left a bad taste in my mouth. Sad that they're affecting the reputation of their country. My guess is that they don't behave nearly as bad at home.

 

[Rogue9287]

wow, after reading this thread, I hope they are all gone by the time I get there. (27th)

Not because they will annoy me but because I don't want to get into a fight with 50 brazilian kids.

if they are as loud and obnoxious as every says, that could definatly happen. I can't stand obnoxious people, and if they pull that stuff (line cutting, holding up FP machines, etc) I will say something, and I garuntee it will not be pretty. They will not run over me, or keep me from enjoying my hooneymoon in any way, shape of form.

 

[arielchickenofthesea]

Wow, I am glad we go in May and September. I could not take that in the Parks. Really, though, the way to deal with this is to write Disney and let them know what you think. If enough people that go in July, write them, there may be some changes made to these antics. That really does sound bad. Remind me to NEVER book a trip in July!

ariel

And YAY for the DIS for being a place to find out about such things! DIS is great for planning that trip. I am sorry for those who must plan their trip in July. I would be definitely mad if I waited to see the Fourth of July fireworks and saw a bunch of Brazilian flags waving about and heard the kids chanting Brasil! Brasil while they pushed in front of everyone else!!!! That would make my blood boil! Better not to go in July, better to keep my blood pressure down...

 

[Buzz Litebeer]

If you have a problem with a Brazilian tour group, get the name of the group (it's on their shirts, flags, etc) and notify Guest Relations. Note: some of these groups change shirt color daily, so be sure to get the NAME -- not the color -- of the group.

If enough guests complain about a particular tour group (not tour groups in general), then that group may find itself facing sanctions from Disney in the future. Worst case scenario: the entire group is kicked off-property (that happens infrequently but I have heard of it happening).

 

[sbell111]

... Sure, somebody is always going to be in line in front of you in Disney World, but when you get one person in front of you in a line for the FP kiosk and that person has 200 tickets, it's like you're standing in a line and you're the 201st person in line! There is no way anybody can draw a reasonable correlation between the tour guides hitting the FP machines and a Dad getting 3-4 tickets for his family. That just doesn't make sense.

Here's the correlation:

It makes no difference whther the tour guide get's 50 fast passes or if each person get's his/her own. You are still #201 (actually 51, since each group has 50 kids). Had you arrived at the machines prior to the group, you would be #1.

Again, the same bodes true for lines - whether they be stand-by or FP - sure somebody will be in front of you. No big deal. However, when you have maybe ten kids in bright green shirts plow into you and push themselves like a wave from Typhoon Lagoon around you and your kids to get in front of you - that's a problem. Not only because of the danger and rudeness of the act, but also because these kids blatantly disregard decent behavior and act as if it is an inalienable right for them to catch up to the others who just ran in front. The tour guides seem to look down on us as well as the children. I'm not trying to be hateful here, but I've definitely had the feeling that these kids look down on us.

Two thoughts: First, why is it that in all my travels to WDW during the times that big tours are there, I have never been affected by this attrocious behaviour. My thinking is that it's because people in these forums are making more of it than it really is. Second, your post is chock full o' hate. I don't understand why that is so.

Someone posted something about the dance groups at the Coronado Springs. I didn't stay at CS, but I did see those groups on our last trip. The only time I saw them was when we went to Pepper Market. To my knowledge, I never saw any of those groups in the parks. Now as far as being loud, noisy and inconsiderate when they returned to CS after being in the parks, that's a shame.

Kids are kids. Kids in large groups at WDW will certainly act like kids.

I think that any group of teens/adolescents has the ability to become obnoxious very quickly - regardless of nationality. That's pretty much a given. Being away from home, being in Disney, being hopped up on junk food, etc. is all a recipe for obnoxious behavior. However, there are things that could be implemented by WDW and the tour guides that would stop it. A strong response and zero tolerance from WDW would work and tour guides that were more vigilant and less like camp counselors/friends would be a start. The tour guides can put an end to a lot of this nonsense, but as of now they choose not to.

Perhaps it is because the tour operators and Disney management don't see it as such a huge issue.

I'm sorry, but there is a distinct difference between the flag people and your everyday families. I haven't seen families suddenly break into chanting! These kids are obnoxious. Sorry. No real way to sugar coat it.

I couldn't care less if a group of kids is 'chanting'.

One last shining example. On Kilimanjaro Safari on an extra magic hour early morning Safari, one of these groups ruined it for the whole expedition. Some of the boys began shouting at the animals and making so much noise that you couldn't hear the driver. The boys were yelling "Bambi" at almost every animal. The oblivious tour guide did nothing. Said nothing. It was people on the ride who'd had enough who commented loudly enough that got them quiet. However, they had the boys had the audacity to look incredulous - as though they'd done nothing wrong. This wasn't just one or two boys making this noise, by the way, there were several.

We let things bother us sometimes. Sometimes, those things just aren't that big of a deal. I guess that you would hate it when I moo at the water buffalos or when my wife and I call just about every dear-like animal a 'boinga-boinga'.

Sure, it's the Magic Kingdom and sure I want everybody to have a magical time there. Everybody deserves that. However, I think that one person's rights to that magical time end where another person's begins. Creating mobs that become so noisy and so rowdy that they literally terrorize some small families and drive little kids to tears is going too far. I don't care if they scream on rides like BTM or ToT. You're supposed to scream on those rides - but when they start yelling and screaming just to be loud and obnoxious on the Safari or during movies in various countries in EPCOT - that's not cool. That's not just "kids having fun". That's kids behaving poorly and nobody doing anything about it. I also know a lot of them want to see the characters and get their pics taken with them. I've got no problem with that, but you should see some of the things they do to the poor CMs in the character costumes. One person told me about how she'd seen one of the kids jump the line run up to Winnie the Pooh and tie him to a lamp post all before the character's handler could get Disney security there.

Again, I think that you are using language that is greater than the sum of the issue. I also find it difficult to believe that Pooh got hogtied, but I generally believe nothing that I hear third-hand and very little of what I hear second-hand.

 

[inkkognito]

I couldn't care less if a group of kids is 'chanting'.

Really? So on a ride like Soarin', where the beautiful soundtrack is part of the experience, chanting and drowing it out is okay with you? I don't know how often you visit the parks and how you manage to do so under such a lucky star, but I live by WDW and see it on a daily basis in July.

That's not to say that all the Brazilians tour groups act badly. I've seen many who are acting courteously too, and I've seen American groups like cheerleaders, Pop Warner, etc. acting as bad or worse than the Brazillians. But drowing out soundtracks is NOT acceptable.

 

[asta]

Here's the correlation:

It makes no difference whther the tour guide get's 50 fast passes or if each person get's his/her own. You are still #201 (actually 51, since each group has 50 kids).

The information regarding tour groups being only 50 members is no longer true. We were at WDW from 7/10-7/14 and encountered at least two groups touring as a group of about 150 members. I counted as they went by and stopped counting after 120. I thought that Disney used to restrict these groups to 50 but I can tell you that that is no longer being inforced. In my earlier entry in this thread, I mention that this might make the groups less annoying because it is easier to avoid one large group of 150 on one attraction vs three smaller groups of 50 on three different attractions.

One other thing that I noticed is that these groups were totally throwing off the estimated wait time posted outside of attractions. We noticed several instances where the ques were outside of the buildings and the normal ques but the posted times were showing under 30 minutes. I even asked a couple of CMs if these times could possibly be even close. They told me that they knew these times were wrong but did not have a new wait time. I don't think they could keep up with the huge influx of one of these tour groups all at once.

 

[joe1946]

It makes no difference whther the tour guide get's 50 fast passes or if each person get's his/her own. You are still #201 (actually 51, since each group has 50 kids). Had you arrived at the machines prior to the group, you would be #1.

It does make a difference, because I'd get in a fast pass line with only one person ahead of me but I wouldn't get in a fast pass line if I saw there were 50 people ahead of me.

 

[meowser]

I just got back from a trip and was at Disney from July 16 - July 20. I saw several tour groups - many (but not all) of them from Brazil.

I didn't see any of the behavior that people are describing here. No chanting, no bad behavior. The one time I got mingled in the middle of a group (in line for Toy Story Mania), they allowed us (and others mixed in with them) to move ahead of them in line.

Yes, they were large groups, but they were so large that they were pretty easy to avoid.

 

[DisneyBarlans]

I saw this thread and I to laugh, because every time we go to Disney we see these big tour groups of kids with the kids running wild and no adult chaperones. Anyway, when I was in New York last weekend, guess who I ran into? Another Brazilian tour group! And they had bright green Disney shirts on! They must have just come from Disney and they were touring New York. I swear, they follow me wherever I go!

 

[wendy46001]

.I couldn't care less if a group of kids is 'chanting'.

The chanting is the worst
what a way to ruin a ride...

last time it was living with the land
the kids didnt care for the ride...so they decided to just chant their way through the building....it was so loud and so disruptive...we weren’t even in their boat and still couldn’t hear the dialog...

when we asked the CM to go around again, she sadly apologized and said this was the thrid group that decided to do it...

these kids need guidelines and supervision...Preferably chaperones that are required to follow the rules...

I wont even go into how they were acting at Walmart last night

 

[inkkognito]

I wont even go into how they were acting at Walmart last night

Chewing raw coffee beans from the display, then spitting them back on the bags? That's what I saw 'em doing at Target this weekend.

 

[irunnoft]

Here's the correlation:

It makes no difference whther the tour guide get's 50 fast passes or if each person get's his/her own. You are still #201 (actually 51, since each group has 50 kids). Had you arrived at the machines prior to the group, you would be #1.

You couldn't be more incorrect on everything you posted. You don't understand this unless you've experienced it. In one FP line, there was one tour guide person in front of me. I was technically second in line. At first I didn't realize this was a tour guide in front of me or I would've jumped to a different line. When this person whipped out a stack of hard tickets about two inches thick, even though I was physically the second person in that line, I technically became something like the 200th person in line. Yes, BTW, these groups do get larger than 50 kids. And to reply to the comment about had I arrived prior to the group I would've been #1, that's a bit self-evident, huh? Yes, and had I been born before my sister, I would be the oldest of my parents' two children! I don't want to feel like I have to run a marathon and race these people to the kiosks. That's not the point of a Disney vacation. I would like to see WDW provide the tour guides with a separate machine or location for them to distribute tickets to tour guides because it would allow them to not clog the lines for families and also give them some control over the queue time, number of passes, etc.

Two thoughts: First, why is it that in all my travels to WDW during the times that big tours are there, I have never been affected by this attrocious behaviour. My thinking is that it's because people in these forums are making more of it than it really is.

Wrong again. If it is imaginary, then why did I find this very site by Googling Brazilian Tour Groups WDW? There are plenty of blogs and quite a few by current and former CMs about the bad behavior of these tour groups. This isn't fiction. I've seen more than my fair share of bad behavior and it's been enough that I'm not taking my family back in July. I don't know how far some people are willing to go for a practical joke, but we take our summer vacations very seriously and for me to NOT take my family back to Disney World, it has to be due to something a little more real than a figment of mine or anybody else's imagination.

Second, your post is chock full o' hate.

Sorry, wrong again. The only thing I hate is having my vacation ruined or messed with. I guarantee that if you talk to other people in the parks, you're going to find that very few of them are thrilled with the tour groups. Very few of them sit back and say "My! What wonderful kids!" - especially the ones who have had their children stepped on, pushed, shoved, etc. I don't hate the kids, the tour guides, the countries or anybody. I dislike the behavior, not the person/people. There's a HUGE difference.

I guess that you would hate it when I moo at the water buffalos or when my wife and I call just about every dear-like animal a 'boinga-boinga'.

Did you even just post this on the internet for millions to read?


I'm sorry but you seem to have all the classic forum traits of a troll. I knew that there would be posts like this in response to what I wrote. I prefaced throughout my posts that I didn't dislike these people or hate these people. I hated what the large groups have done to the experience of vacationing in WDW in July which is the prime time for families to take a summer break in Orlando.

I only posted my observations and thoughts on the matter so that others who are planning trips in July and early August might be forewarned. I was also trying to find out if my experiences and observations had been singularly mine or if this was a shared experience that others had been through as well. If large groups of pushy, loud, rude, chanting, entitled teens from South America don't bother you - more power to you. You're a better man than I, Charlie Brown.

 

[sbell111]

... I'm sorry but you seem to have all the classic forum traits of a troll.

You know, I almost posted the same thing about you after your last post, but I decided not to. The fact is, you are the one stirring the pot, not me. Therefore, guess who's the troll.

I knew that there would be posts like this in response to what I wrote. I prefaced throughout my posts that I didn't dislike these people or hate these people. I hated what the large groups have done to the experience of vacationing in WDW in July which is the prime time for families to take a summer break in Orlando.

Guess what? It's also 'prime time' for these groups to go and has been for some time.

You decided to go to WDW during an incredibly busy (and hot) time and then whine that it was busy. Wow.

... If large groups of pushy, loud, rude, chanting, entitled teens from South America don't bother you - more power to you. You're a better man than I, Charlie Brown.

I guess so, because kids being kids doesn't greatly bother me./ Certainly not enough for me to hold onto my angst long enough to spill bile in an internet forum about it afterward. I also think it's funny that you called them 'entitled', since all I read from your posts is that your entitlement. How dare a group get fast passes before you, indeed.

 

[irunnoft]

You know, I almost posted the same thing about you after your last post, but I decided not to. The fact is, you are the one stirring the pot, not me. Therefore, guess who's the troll.Guess what? It's also 'prime time' for these groups to go and has been for some time.

You decided to go to WDW during an incredibly busy (and hot) time and then whine that it was busy. Wow.I guess so, because kids being kids doesn't greatly bother me./ Certainly not enough for me to hold onto my angst long enough to spill bile in an internet forum about it afterward. I also think it's funny that you called them 'entitled', since all I read from your posts is that your entitlement. How dare a group get fast passes before you, indeed.

I've been going to WDW since it opened. I assure you that I know, have known and expect it to be busy in July. Duh! I'm not whining about it being busy. I certainly don't feel entitled to trample other guests' kids or push them out of their viewing spots for fireworks shows. Again, you're missing the mark - line up your sights before you shoot next time....you JUST might be more accurate!

Like I said before, if none of this bothers you, then have at it and more power to you! You're welcome to take my spot in WDW in July. As for me and my family, I'll respectfully choose not to return during that time period unless WDW takes some major steps to deal with some of these very real issues and problems.

 

[sbell111]

With that, I rest my case.

 

[itchin2go]

Two thoughts: First, why is it that in all my travels to WDW during the times that big tours are there, I have never been affected by this attrocious behaviour. My thinking is that it's because people in these forums are making more of it than it really is. Second, your post is chock full o' hate. I don't understand why that is so.Kids are kids. Kids in large groups at WDW will certainly act like kids.Perhaps it is because the tour operators and Disney management don't see it as such a huge issue.I couldn't care less if a group of kids is 'chanting'.We let things bother us sometimes. Again, I think that you are using language that is greater than the sum of the issue.

I've never been on Splash Mountain, but, I mean, the drop can't possibly be as big as everyone says. Whiners.

 

[Buzz Litebeer]

I thought that Disney used to restrict these groups to 50 but I can tell you that that is no longer being inforced.

It amazes me that every so often someone will post a statement like "X is against the rules. We saw X at Disney. Therefore, Disney is no longer enforcing their rules."

Just because you see someone doing something wrong does not in any way mean Disney is no longer enforcing rules. For all you know the tour groups were told to split up when they entered the park but regrouped later. I can't tell you how many times I've had a situation where I've informed a guest of a policy or procedure only to have the guest roll their eyes at me and walk away -- or even get verbally abusive.

Don't blame the bad behavior of your fellow guests on Disney, kids.