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I know this doesn't seem to be Dis related but it really is, If I can't get out from under some of this drowning debt my kids will never be able to go to Disney again. I recently inquired online regarding debt help, filled out one simple form and got inundated with phone calls. The one guy I actually talked to said what they do is, I put money into an account {In my name only} and they will contact my creditors to get interest dropped, late fees waived, amount owed reduced etc. The caviat is I need to stop paying said creditors letting everything go to collections. I expressed to this guy I was afraid of going to jail, has anyone done anything like this? if so how did it work for you? At this point with all our cards upping their interest and lowering credit I can no longer even make minimum payments, we got into this finacail mess due to a health issue 2 years ago and I cannot see a way out. Any advice would be greatly apprieciated. Thanks
 
Can you just ignore the "debt helpers" and call the cards directly and see about setting up a payment plan? I'm sure they would rather get a steady amount of money over no money at all.

It seems with the debt helpers, it would cause your credit score to plunge. I don't see or understand how NOT paying helps to get you out of debt.

I hope someone else here with experience chimes in. My colleague at work went to a debt helper and she did stop paying. She now has a mark on her credit score that will last for seven years.
 
Agree with PP, go directly to your creditors first.

You can also check with your state's attorney general's office or your local Better Business Bureau to find legit organizations that can help. I believe there must be some non-profit organizations that can help at no cost to you.

Good luck :hug:
 

If you are going to use a Credit Counselor, look for one that is a member of The National Foundation for Credit Counseling. This agency is often known as CCCS, which is a United Way agency in most communities.

http://www.nfcc.org/

You can use that website to find a local counselor. These are non-profit organizations who must meet certain standards.

Run run as fast as you can from any organization that is NOT certified by the nfcc. I'm sure there might be some honest ones, but many of them are huge scammers who prey upon frightened desperate people. It should cost nothing to consult with one of these offices and then decide if you think they can help. Anybody who tries to charge a fee for a Consultation, run!

I'm sure somebody else will come along with the Dave Ramsey info soon. He has quite a following on this board.
 
I used a company a few years ago called genus.org. They were great. I made 1 payment a month to them and they paid the creditors. They worked with them to either get the interest reduced or to nothing at all. The did not take bills that went to collections.. The only catch was the cards were closed.Which was good thing.

I have had 3 other people I am friends with use them with no problems. I dont have one complaint about them. Towards the end of me paying things off they switched to this company called afs http://www.myfinancialgoals.org/

I also wanted to add my 25 year old sister has $25,000 in debt. Not including student loans. The girl loves coach bags and shoes. She went to a credit union last week and was able to take out loan for most of it at a much lower interest than her cc's and another portion of it was put on a credit union cc with 0% interest.
 
From everything I have heard most (not all) of the credit 'fixers' are crooks. Please don't use them, they don't do anything you can't do yourself. I highly recommend Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover book. If you can't pay your cc's you may be able to get them to settle for up to 1/2 of what you owe but, you need to have the cash to pay it.
We have paid off nearly $30,000 in the last year using Dave's principles.
GL!
 
I agree with everyone else. Try to talk to your CC companies yourself, if they won't play ball, then contact CCCS (them, and only them) to see what they can do for you.

I also highly recommend Dave Ramsey. Even if you go with CCCS, his book can really help you make a budget, stick with it, and pay down debt. You just need his book Total Money Makeover, which you can get from the library for free or buy a used copy pretty cheap online. You don't need to buy any of his other products. It's an easy read, takes most people only a few days, if that.
 
I know this doesn't seem to be Dis related but it really is, If I can't get out from under some of this drowning debt my kids will never be able to go to Disney again. I recently inquired online regarding debt help, filled out one simple form and got inundated with phone calls. The one guy I actually talked to said what they do is, I put money into an account {In my name only} and they will contact my creditors to get interest dropped, late fees waived, amount owed reduced etc. The caviat is I need to stop paying said creditors letting everything go to collections. I

What they are also not telling you is that if you get your CC amount owed dropped you will be issed a 1099-Misc. by the company and expected to pick up that as income on your tax return. So, if they excuse $10,000 in debt that $10,000 will be expected to show up on your tax returns and you will owe taxes on it. :scared1:
 
Another recommendation for Dave Ramsey here - using his principles we paid off $34k a year and a half ago...it wasn't easy but SOOOO worth it. We started with his Total Money Makeover book and since then have facilitated the Financial Peace University class at our church. We recently watched his "Live" event (online) - which might be an inspiring place to start. Check first at your local library for his books before spending anything, though :thumbsup2
 
Has anyone heard of or used Inter-service Financial Solutions . I cant find any helpful info on them. I spoke with a lady from the company who gave me a quote, but I want to make sure they are lagit before I go further.
 
We used In Charge Debt Solutions to assist us with our credit card debt and have paid it all of except one card which will be paid in full soon. We pay them each month and they send out payments to each creditor. The got our interest down from 29% to 9% on some of the cards, 9.5% on a few (the companies would not go that low when we tried to talk to them). I have had no complaints with this organization. We were never told to stop making payments and certainly never had anything to go into collections. We have paid the full amount owed on the cards; only the interest was reduced.

I have read one of Dave Ramsey's books and we plan to begin his plan in the new year. We would like to pay off our vehicles and such, along with the before mentioned credit card. I don't know when he wrote his first book but I had never heard of Dave Ramsey when we went with In Charge or we may have tried his way first.
 
OP, you may want to read this article from today's USA Today Money Section. It explains why it's a really bad idea to quit paying your bills.


Be careful of debt counselors: Some can make matters worse
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BEWARE OF RIP-OFFS

Debt negotiation differs from credit counseling or a debt-management plan. It can be risky and could have a long-term negative impact on your credit report and ability to get credit. As a result, many states regulate debt-negotiation companies.

Tip-offs to rip-offs

Avoid firms that:
Guarantee they can remove your unsecured debt.
Promise that unsecured debts can be paid off with pennies on the dollar.
Require substantial monthly service fees.
Demand payment of a percentage of savings.
Tell you to stop paying or communicating with your creditors.
Require you to make monthly payments to them, rather than to your creditors.
Claim creditors never sue for non-payment of unsecured debt.
Promise their system will have no negative impact on your credit report.
Say they can erase accurate negative information from your credit report.

For more information

To file a complaint or to get free information on credit and other consumer issues, contact the Federal Trade Commission at 877-FTC-HELP (877-382-4357) or visit www.ftc.gov.

Source: Federal Trade Commission


Yahoo! Buzz Digg Newsvine Reddit FacebookWhat's this?By Kevin McCoy, USA TODAY

Joseph Pickett says he was struggling with about $21,000 in credit card debt last year when an unsolicited e-mail ad dangled the prospect of eliminating the financial burden.
After replying to the message, Pickett, a 24-year-old night manager for a Northern California hotel, says he charged nearly $3,000 to Financial Solutions, a company that told him to stop paying the credit card bills and demand formal proof of the debt.

The advice came from a firm that a federal indictment in Florida alleges was part of a scheme involving income tax conspiracy, tax evasion and wire fraud, a USA TODAY review shows.


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Today, Pickett says the debt has grown to roughly $25,000, and the credit card firms have written off the total, further blotching his credit record. Financial Solutions had told him that outcome was unlikely, he says.

"If the indictment is true, obviously, I've been victimized — they lied to me," Pickett says.

Amid signs of a steep recession, an Internet-based industry of self-described debt-counseling firms is offering consumers ways to eliminate or reduce credit card bills and repair credit records. But prosecutors, government officials and consumer advocates say some of the programs seem too good to be true — and are.

"Usually, the first form of advice some of these companies offer is to stop paying your debt, which is, quite frankly, the absolutely worst thing you can do," says Stephen Cox, spokesman for the Council of Better Business Bureaus, calling such a recommendation "one of the red flags."

Although there are no definitive national statistics on debt-related scams, reports from federal and state agencies indicate the problem seems to be rising.

The Council of Better Business Bureaus logged 892 complaints across North America about all types of credit and debt-counseling issues from January to June. That puts the category on track to top the 1,704 reported during 2007.

American consumers filed 3,092 complaints about debt management or credit counseling in 2007, Federal Trade Commission records show.

In October, the FTC and agencies in 22 states announced a legal crackdown targeting 33 operations that allegedly claimed the ability to remove negative information from consumers' credit reports, even if that information was accurate.

In Florida alone, Attorney General Bill McCollum reported his office had received more than 1,400 debt-related complaints as of Oct. 15. That represents a 62% increase from 2007. McCollum is suing five companies that allegedly failed to make good on promises to help consumers resolve debt problems. Last month, he announced a $240,000 restitution settlement involving New Leaf Associates, a firm that allegedly victimized more than 2,000 consumers who paid thousands of dollars each for "non-existent" debt services.

Debt was charged off

The alleged scheme in some ways resembled the program Pickett signed up for last January. He says he hoped the $2,995 program — described as an "education" package in a Financial Solutions audio summary — would help eliminate charges he'd run up on two credit cards to pay medical bills for his ex-wife.

Following Financial Solutions' instructions, Pickett says he stopped paying his credit card bills and sent form letters that challenged the debt and sought verification of the amount owed.

One of the credit card firms eventually responded with a letter that said the program he was using was fraudulent. The letter urged him to make a repayment schedule, Pickett says. Financial Solutions advised him to ignore the letter, he says.

A collection notice arrived in May. Pickett says he followed Financial Solutions' instruction to respond with a letter stating that he was contesting the charges and seeking proof of any debt.

Shortly afterward, Pickett said he checked his credit report and discovered the credit card companies had "charged off" the debt — written it off as unpaid. That added another negative mark to his report, and left open the potential for additional collection efforts. Pickett says it also prompted a cut in his overall credit limit.

Realizing the outcome could have been the same even without Financial Solutions, Pickett says he complained. A company representative offered him a credit repair program for a discounted fee of $850, he says.

"I don't know what's going to happen to my credit at this point," says Pickett, who declined the new offer.

Indictment says program didn't work

According to the Florida criminal indictment, Financial Solutions is a self-described "asset protection, debt elimination and education business" run by Arthur Merino, 36, of Seattle. Internet registrations show Merino was the administrative contact for at least one of the Financial Solutions websites used by Pickett, USA TODAY found.

"The (debt-elimination) programs did not work," the indictment charges. "Customers who participated in the programs did not eliminate their debt, and in fact, were worse off after having challenged their creditors as instructed."

Financial Solutions was among the vendors for Pinnacle Quest International, a Florida-based multi-level marketing group that allegedly organized and promoted tax fraud and other schemes, according to a related civil lawsuit filed by the U.S. Justice Department. Pinnacle had 830 salespeople, thousands of customers and about $54 million in gross sales in 2002 to 2006, according to the civil complaint.

Merino is one of 13 defendants in the criminal indictment. They were part of a scheme that sold memberships for $1,350 to $18,750 to participants who were offered DVDs, seminars and other information about debt elimination, anti-tax theories and offshore financial transactions, the indictment charged.

Merino's attorney, Randall Lockhart, declined to comment.

Despite the experience, Pickett remains unperturbed. He said he believes his credit hasn't been completely ruined because he's making timely car loan payments and is current on two other credit cards.

As for the possibility he could still face lawsuits about the charged-off debt, he offers a fail-safe response: "Hey, that's what bankruptcy (court) is for."

But Cox, the Council of Better Business Bureaus official, urges anyone facing similar problems to contact a reputable non-profit credit counselor.

"It is incumbent upon the consumer to do their homework and check out any agency with whom they're considering doing business," agrees Gail Cunningham, a spokeswoman for the National Foundation for Credit Counseling,. "Otherwise, your financial problems may get even worse."
 
I agree with what everyone on this board has said. I would be wary. If they are holding money in an account for you, they will wait for a period of time after you stop paying your debts and then attempt to negoiate a lump sum settlement with the creditors. This is a bad way to go. You could get sued in the interim. There is also no guarantee they this agency can settle the debt. Debt settlements in this manner are not good especially if you are curently paying your ccs.

I would go as others have said with CCCS. It is a reputable agency and they try to work with your current creditors to lower payments and/or interest rates. You would still continue to make payments to the ccs.

In the alternative, I would try to negoiate with the cards myself...ie lower interest rates, etc...move balance to a 0% card, etc. instead of stopping payment.

Other than bankruptcy, this type of credit counseling agency is the very last alternative. Often these agencies lead you into a bankruptcy.
 
You also may want to go to www.creditboards.com which is a discussion board very similar to DisBoards but strictly related to credit and debt. There is a lot of good advice, and some sample letters, there.
 
I used to be a loan officer so I saw alot of credit reports and made credit decisions based on credit scores. DON'T STOP PAYING YOUR BILLS!
If you stop paying and go into collections it will reflect poorly on your credit report and it will be QUITE A LONG TIME before you are able to regain a decent score again.
Work with your creditors first. call them on your own. Try to negotiate with them on a lower interest, lower payments, etc. They'll take something before bankruptcy or nothing.
Consumer Credit Counseling WILL affect your credit score. It's just one step above bankruptcy and it does go on your credit report.
Look into Dave Ramsey's book...I hear it does wonders for people!

I HIGHLY recommend you really look into all your options before listening to a phone call or email. Alot of these organizations will charge you hefty fees and do nothing for you.
Consumer Credit Counseling is a legit business (someone posted the link) and one I'd definitely recommend if this is your only option. Things happen so don't beat yourself up. Banks/creditors always see periods of highs and lows on credits. The worst thing you can do though is stop paying. You'll be in better shape if you pay what you can and work with the companies to get yourself out of debt!
 
From everything I have heard most (not all) of the credit 'fixers' are crooks. Please don't use them, they don't do anything you can't do yourself. I highly recommend Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover book. If you can't pay your cc's you may be able to get them to settle for up to 1/2 of what you owe but, you need to have the cash to pay it.
We have paid off nearly $30,000 in the last year using Dave's principles.
GL!

I agree too. I would go to the CCC's first and see what they can do, but even with that, I would suggest reading Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover. It is a life style change and it seems like it would be hard to do, but it WORKS. He also has a radio show on everyday. It's amazing to hear some of the stories and how his advice has helped so many people. Some Churches also offer classes on his program.

I wish you the best of luck. :goodvibes
 
Thanks so much for everyones advice. I'm really at the end of my rope. After a careful review how exactly how much debt we pay every month and what our income is we are actually paying more than we make every month. I just don't know what to do, I tried calling the card that just ,for no reason whatsoever, upped our interest rate and asking them to lower the rate I was told in broken english "Oh I'm so sorry" I said they company was making it impossible for me to continue making timely payments and again I got "Oh so sorry" I just don't know what to do. I will try the things people here have suggested look into the book, and ccc..... but the lure of a quick fix is strong... however as I said in OP I don't want to go to jail.. I have 4 boys I need to get through college someday. Thanks again
 
I know where you are coming from, but please be careful about where you post infomation. I made that mistake and it ended up on other nastier boards. I'd recommend a non profit credit counseling service.
 
Thanks so much for everyones advice. I'm really at the end of my rope. After a careful review how exactly how much debt we pay every month and what our income is we are actually paying more than we make every month. I just don't know what to do, I tried calling the card that just ,for no reason whatsoever, upped our interest rate and asking them to lower the rate I was told in broken english "Oh I'm so sorry" I said they company was making it impossible for me to continue making timely payments and again I got "Oh so sorry" I just don't know what to do. I will try the things people here have suggested look into the book, and ccc..... but the lure of a quick fix is strong... however as I said in OP I don't want to go to jail.. I have 4 boys I need to get through college someday. Thanks again

"The lure of the quick fix" Remember you didn't suddenly wake up in debt. It took you a while to get here.

"The lure of the quick fix" probably will mean that your chances of getting those 4 through college go DOWN not up as your credit takes a hit because that "company" that "promised" the quick fix did nothing but make a bad situation worse.

Now as for "creditboards"... I was curious once and went over there....:scared1: Lots of folks who think that just "quit paying" is the way to go. So use caution.

You have some good advice, but you have to act. There is no "quick fix" and remember if it sounds too good to be true then it is.

And as for your first post about letting everything go to collections... GEE that sounds fun. Collectors calling hourly, Repo men taking the car, etc.....
 
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