Tom Sawyer Island

Douglas Dubh

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This is not news or rumor but the thought occurred to me recently that now that there is no longer a TSI in MK Disney should rename Discovery Island in Bay to TSI and reopen it. Instead of having animals like it used to it could recreate TSI on a larger scale, with several tunnels and towers and other things kids could explore. Might be a draw for all the guests that will be staying at Lakeshore Lodge in the future as well as guests at the current Bay Lake resorts
 
OK, but what does Disney do to monetize this venture? Without a clear way to make a profit this will never even hit the planning stage.
Same way they used to back when it was Discovery Island. Charge a small entrance fee. Or make it free for those staying at Fort Wilderness, Lakeshore Lodge, and Wilderness Lodge, but then raise the room rates slightly.
 

I personally wouldn't be interested. We didn't go to TSI when it was free, so we definitely won't be paying to see it anytime soon.
 
I'd love to see Discovery Island back to what it was, with the animals...I'd pay to go over there occasionally - was there often in the 70s and early 80s and enjoyed it. Maybe blend a little TSI theming in there, but keep it about animals and trails. Since it's only accessible by boat, it's quite easy to monetize as before - no pay, no go! Even better if they added a little food/bar restaurant out over the water to make it worth staying for a good 1/2 a day.
 
My understanding is it is currently a sanctuary for wild birds. Since they closed Treasure Island due to dropping attendance I'm not convinced it'd be worth it to retheme to something that was also deemed not popular enough to keep in MK.
 
My understanding is it is currently a sanctuary for wild birds. Since they closed Treasure Island due to dropping attendance I'm not convinced it'd be worth it to retheme to something that was also deemed not popular enough to keep in MK.
Well the birds could fly elsewhere; there’s several islands and some lakeshore around Bay Lake and the Seven Seas Lagoon.

But I would think a bunch of climbing structures and stuff would be a lot less overhead than live animals. And they aren’t using it for anything now.
 
I believe we should leave the island alone and preserve it as a wildlife habitat. TSI has shown a decline in attendance over the years despite an exponential increase in the general population. Furthermore, with Animal Kingdom and two water parks already available, there is no need to bring back anything from the Discovery Island era.
 
Well the birds could fly elsewhere; there’s several islands and some lakeshore around Bay Lake and the Seven Seas Lagoon.

But I would think a bunch of climbing structures and stuff would be a lot less overhead than live animals. And they aren’t using it for anything now.
That's... not how sanctuaries for animals work. If we take it back now, wildlife will suffer for it. Untouched island > lakeshore. I don't know which other islands you're referring to, but roughly 1/3 of the area they own that makes up WDW is set aside for conservation. They're likely all sanctuaries already. IMO Disney would be wise to leave this harder to access and thus easier to protect island alone and build where it is easier to get folk to and fro.
 
My understanding is it is currently a sanctuary for wild birds. Since they closed Treasure Island due to dropping attendance I'm not convinced it'd be worth it to retheme to something that was also deemed not popular enough to keep in MK.

Yeah it would never be a viable "attraction" at this point, as it would require too many cast members to operate it.... not counting the costs to redevelop the area after 25 years of neglect. Now many of the structures are in pretty bad shape based on some of the unauthorized visits to the Island... and those were years ago.

Animal Kingdom was it's doom...
 
My understanding is it is currently a sanctuary for wild birds. Since they closed Treasure Island due to dropping attendance I'm not convinced it'd be worth it to retheme to something that was also deemed not popular enough to keep in MK.
Good point. IIRC, it closed one DAK opened. With an entire park dedicated to animals there was no longer a demand/need for a small island.
 
Which is why I suggested an expanded TSI. Families with young kids might appreciate a place where they can move and be active on a non park day. And the structures would be as expensive to develop and maintain as animal enclosures.
 
Families with young kids have the tightest purse strings nowadays. I think they would be hesitant to pay extra just to play on an island.
 
Families with young kids have the tightest purse strings nowadays. I think they would be hesitant to pay extra just to play on an island.

Bottom line is TSI wasn't really appreciated all that much... and it was free (if you were in the park). So the idea of a Pay to Play Island seems to have no basis for sucess. If they just wanted to build a jungle gym for kids, they'd do it at Disney Springs... where they wouldn't have to do any wild life impact studies or come up with a transportation system for guest and employees, or spend tens of millions to redevelop the area. Only to service a small fraction of their guests....

I do think their original plans for Treasure Island were cool.... building Ben Gunn's Fort and the Benbow Inn would have be great to explore... along with The Walrus. But that was all dumped in favor of a more zoological park, so it's not that they haven't thought of it, it's that it just hasn't been viewed as viable.
 
Which is why I suggested an expanded TSI. Families with young kids might appreciate a place where they can move and be active on a non park day. And the structures would be as expensive to develop and maintain as animal enclosures.
The resorts have such play structures for $0, as do local parks. I still don't see why it HAS to be on an island that is already abandoned and now playing a different important role.
 
The idea of some kind of island exploration attraction is reasonable if it was done right, and - we have to face facts here - that means not theming it based on Tom Sawyer/Huckleberry Finn or Treasure Island, etc. Honestly, those things are less culturally relevant now than they used to be and theming the area to those things isn't going to be a draw. Now, a Jack Sparrow Pirate Adventure or whatever - that has the potential to work. Still, it would have to offer a good amount of unique things to do to really draw people to it. I am not sure Discovery Island is even the right location for such and I do agree that it best reamins for the wildlife. That said, something on the Water Park/Mini Golf tier could be reasonable.
 
I could envision it being more of an adult themed spot - requiring almost no staff. Just maintain a boardwalk through the island, mount various bird feeders and bird-friendly feed plants to draw more of the local wildlife there, with maybe just one casual restaurant near the dock with restrooms. Purchase a pass to board the boat to get there, enjoy the nature and solitude. For birders and photographers it could make for a nice little side excursion. Boats would leave from the campground dock, sunlight hours only.

All around Florida there are many wetlands and wildlife reserve areas with boardwalks and local wildlife - most are free, some charge a fee to park or get in the gate. Disney even has one (Disney Wilderness Preserve) obviously on a much larger scale. But look at Gatorland nearby - aside from their gator park, just outside they have a popular rookery where local birds nest and roost - they charge to get in but don't need to man it regularly. Merritt Island has a refuge as well as Black Point Drive, Apopka has a drive-through reserve, Viera Wetlands, Ding Darling refuge, and in my part of town, Green Cay Wetlands and Wakodahatchee Wetlands (not too much bigger than Discovery Island).

So many spots throughout Disney World and the resorts already have places where the local wildlife gathers, roosts, and even nests - Animal Kingdom's river area popular with ibises, Epcot's fireworks river popular with anhingas and great egrets, Saratoga Springs with turkeys, nesting great blue herons, bald eagles, anhingas, cormorants, limpkin, and kingfishers, among others.

Right now, Discovery Island is mostly just abandoned - it's not really much in the way of a bird sanctuary or refuge - it's badly overgrown and not just with native plants. While local birds occasionally visit, there's no serious nesting activity there. Clearing out the overgrowth, and replanting native plants only would actually make it MORE of a draw for birds and other wildlife, even with a boardwalk running through it with people walking by. In fact, a lot of Florida birds find proximity to people to be safer for their nests, as it helps reduce egg raiders like raccoons, rats, snakes, and other predators. My local wetlands rookery spot has 500-700 nesting pairs of birds across at least 20 species, many who build their nests just feet away from the boardwalk:

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And they fly back and forth with their nesting materials so close that they occasionally hit people in the head with their wingtips or dangling branches:
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The birds even take breaks from the nests to rest on the boardwalk rails, and don't pay any mind to the people walking by within a few feet:
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Sometimes, even a very still person can be a great resting spot:
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Not just birds either - here, an otter popped out of the water right between two people walking towards it - rolled around, played, then jumped back in the water to watch us pass:
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Your walk on the boardwalk can be interrupted by wildlife crossing:
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I know it's a limited crowd, not everyone's into birds and wildlife, but I think a nominal charge of $10-20 to access a place like this while at Disney would get plenty of takers, enough to cover the cost of maintenance - and the little restaurant near the dock could charge typical Disney prices enough to pay for staff. I know I would pay to visit this place pretty much every time I was at Disney.
 

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