To Print or Not?

MarkBarbieri

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I've gone through this debate many times. Should I make my own prints or send them out? I've found that I print a lot more when I'm making my own prints rather than sending them out. On the other hand, when my home printing system is disrupted, I practically quit printing altogether. You can walk around my house and see the various periods during which I printed because they cover narrow age bands of my kids. I've got pictures for the other ages, I just don't have prints.

A friend recently bought an Epson 3880 and has been making prints. The quality of his prints and his talk about how much printing has motivated him to improve his shooting has inspired me. I ordered a printer yesterday. I had expected to get an Epson (they have practically had a monopoly on large format ink jet printers for many years), but I was really impressed by the latest Canon printers and went with one of them instead. The fact that Canon is heavily discounting, giving huge cash rebates and throwing in extra inks made the decision easy for me. The cost was practically half of what the equivalent Epson would have been and the reviews of the new Canons have been very favorable.

I may be getting in over my head on this one. The first clue was when the salesman asked if I had a loading dock or forklift. I told him that my forklift is, um, out for repairs. He recommended that I pay extra to have it delivered on a truck with a lift gate. My wife is going to have a heck of a time figuring out how to get this thing upstairs. At 4'x3' of floor space, it won't fit anywhere in my overcrowded office, so it will end up in the "guest" room upstairs that doubles as my photo/video gear room.

So why go through all of this hassle when I could probably save lots of money just printing online? Primarily, because printing is another part of the creative process. I want to have that final output control. Also, it seems like fun.

My friend advises me that the consumables will easily pay for themselves just by selling large prints to the various friends/neighbors/co-workers that I shoot in our garage studio, at soccer games, at school functions, etc. Hopefully that will work out. He does a lot of wedding shooting, so it definitely works for him.

One cool feature of the printer is that you can tell the driver what your paper and inks cost and it will calculate the materials cost of each print job. That will help if I decide to sell prints. It will also be useful in helping to track my own costs.

In a departure from my usual approach of ordering photo gear from B&H, I got this from a company called Shades of Paper. I was inspired when B&H boosted the price $450 overnight on the printer in my shopping cart. Shade of Paper had it very close to the original B&H price and had free shipping (except for the lift gate charge) to boot. I can't say enough good things about Shades of Paper. The salesman spent 20 minutes on the phone with me talking about papers, printing software, setup, and everything else I was curious about or things that he thought I should know. He also invited me to call back when I get it for help with the setup process. With great prices and incredible service, I'm pretty sure they'll have my future printer/paper/ink related business.

So do you do your own printing? Has printing changed your photography?
 
Primarily, because printing is another part of the creative process. I want to have that final output control.

There it is right there, to fully realize our vision for the photograph (if the print is the final expression of that vision) we *must* do our own printing. Otherwise we are handing our image to someone else to interpret the image as they see fit. Not that this is a bad thing, or even that the results will not be very good (or sometimes even better than what we could do) but it is still someone else's interpretation, not ours.

To me this is very important, so I print my own.
 
I'm a control freak. While I do send my work related printing to a print house, I print my personal work at home. I love everything about photography from the time I turn the camera on until I hang the print on the wall. That includes watching that paper inch out of the printer.

Let us know how you like that Canon. I've been pretty Epson loyal but my R1800 is aging. I've been looking at the 3880 since I got to play with one last year.

I'm also a paper addict. I love Inkpress Papers, especially their rag and adhesive vinyl.
 
I can see it now, rooms literally wallpapered with 44 inch wide strips of photographic montages. You could have the Disney Room, the Monterey Room, etc.

I think you are on to something.
 

I am lazy-I send it out unless I need it in hand right then. What is really bad is I have a large format that I got last year as the promo with my camera and it is still in the box because I haven't figured out exactly where the beast can be put yet. I believe it too is a canon
 
I can see it now, rooms literally wallpapered with 44 inch wide strips of photographic montages. You could have the Disney Room, the Monterey Room, etc.

I think you are on to something.

Sadly, I ordered the 24" rather than the 44". I just couldn't justify the extra expense.

After doing some review this morning, I have to say that reading specs carefully before you order something is a good idea. According to Canon's website, the printer requires an area about 5' 10" across, 6' 6" deep, and 5' 3" high. The printer itself, without the stand, is 100 pounds and they recommend having three people put it on the stand. According to the shipping company, the shipping weight of the package is 250 pounds. Hmmmm....this is going to take a little planning. On the positive side, it'll get set up in the guest bedroom, which makes that room even less appealing for hosting guests.

I wonder how big and heavy the 8300 is? I'm also curious as to why a 13" printer weighs just a few pounds and fits on my desk while a 24" printer weighs 100 pounds and practically requires its own room.
 
24" wide is wide enough since most wallpaper isn't that wide. Same number of square inches in the room, it just takes more strips...

Having had the opportunity to play with HP and Encad wide format ink jet plotter/printers in a former career (building PostScript RIPs for them) all I can say is - you are going to have a LOT of fun. Also you are going to be a very popular guy in your family. It's like winning the lottery, everybody will beat a path to your door because everybody wants their kid's face to be 3 feet tall...

Buying Ink by the drum may get old after a bit though.

why a 13" printer weighs just a few pounds and fits on my desk while a 24" printer weighs 100 pounds

Quite a bit of it is because a 13" wide printer is using the desk it's sitting on for support and strength (put a moving head printer on a flimsy table and watch what happens to vividly illustrate this) while the beast you just ordered has to not only hold itself up - but also support a 50Lb roll of paper - all while being stiff enough to hold so remarkably still that every little 5 picoliter dot hits it's proper location within a thousandth of an inch - whether the head is going left or right.

Ohh - don't have the kids jumping up and down in the room while you are printing if you are going to install it in an upper floor of a typical Houston sticks and brick house, these things prefer to be on nice massive floors made out of tons of concrete. Maybe the 24" version will be more forgiving.

More fun that a barrel of monkeys though.
 
I now have 235 pounds of printer, stand, paper, boxes, ink, pallet and stuff sitting in my garage. Anyone want to help carry it upstairs?
 
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Calibrate the monitor, download the printer's color profiles, take control of the photograph, upload to the printer, and have the prints done without correction. Full control is still there at a fraction of the cost.

I was floored at the quality of prints I received from Adorama. I sent 3 of the same photos to Adorama, MPix, and Snapfish and Adorama was absolutely superb over the others (snapfish I may as well just used a 1/4 megapixel camera from the 90's the quality was so bad.)

If you specify not to color correct, you give up no control to the printer. You do all the work as long as you are calibrated and have the color profile.
 
Hopefully you weigh less than 79 Kg...sitting just above the warning arrows was a nice touch though.

Let the ink flow!
 


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