Tips for selling cub scout popcorn???

[mrsbornkuntry]

My nephews parents ate both involved in the troop as parents. They go on trips etc. with the full knowledge of all. They do not pretend to be anything they aren't. So please do not tell me what you do not know.

There are no rules that say they cannot be. They are intent upon changing their world bit by bit by bit and they are.

First, I am stating facts, not insulting you or your family members so I don't appreciate your attitude with me. I think we can have a respectful conversation on this thread without rudeness.

I was simply trying to understand your post and I am telling you exactly what I do know, google it. This website has some current information: http://bsa-discrimination.org/html/bsa_gay_policy.html . BSA policy forbids homosexual parents and boys in their troops. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, obviously that's not true, I'm just telling you that if anyone complains to the council about it they will be asked to step down. It happened recently. http://www.inquisitr.com/226318/lesbian-den-mother-kicked-out-of-boy-scouts/ . So yes, there are absolutely rules that say they cannot be involved in boy scouts.

Again, I'm not agreeing with the rules or the fact that they obviously are involved in scouting, I'm just stating the fact that there is such a rule and the council can and will enforce it at their will.

 

[nchulka]

First, I am stating facts, not insulting you or your family members so I don't appreciate your attitude with me. I think we can have a respectful conversation on this thread without rudeness.

I was simply trying to understand your post and I am telling you exactly what I do know, google it. This website has some current information: http://bsa-discrimination.org/html/bsa_gay_policy.html . BSA policy forbids homosexual parents and boys in their troops. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, obviously that's not true, I'm just telling you that if anyone complains to the council about it they will be asked to step down. It happened recently. http://www.inquisitr.com/226318/lesbian-den-mother-kicked-out-of-boy-scouts/ . So yes, there are absolutely rules that say they cannot be involved in boy scouts.

Again, I'm not agreeing with the rules or the fact that they obviously are involved in scouting, I'm just stating the fact that there is such a rule and the council can and will enforce it at their will.

I'm pretty sure she is saying they are parents who actively participate with their son, they are not in any formal leadership position and therefor have nothing to "step down" from. I'm not officially any kind of leader in my son's pack, but I go on camp outs and help out with different events as a parent.

 

[mrsbornkuntry]

I'm pretty sure she is saying they are parents who actively participate with their son, they are not in any formal leadership position and therefor have nothing to "step down" from. I'm not officially any kind of leader in my son's pack, but I go on camp outs and help out with different events as a parent.

Maybe, I couldn't really tell from her posts because she said something about them rebuilding the pack . I do that in my son's pack, too without being a leader. I don't know, I can't tell if she's defensive or just uninformed so I thought I'd throw some information in there just in case.

 

[thelionqueen]

Lol, asked my nephew what he would say if someone told him that boy scouts don't like gays. Considering he has bee a part and both his dads work with the troop he said that he would tell the person about his family. Amazing how much nicer a 10 year old can be than the "well meaning" adults around.

What portion of anyones comments here are "not nice?". It seems to me you are the one who is defensive and judgmental. No one berates or is rude to the kids who are involved. Those of us who choose not to support BSA do do without insulting or being "not nice" to the kids. If BSA found out about his dads their policy would allow them to disallow them to have any involvement in the troop. I wonder how he and you would feel at that point?

 

[badblackpug]

I was meaning Jewish as in nationality wise, as in they were born that way and have no control over it. I meant that as far as they are concerned they are not in any way excluding based on how someone was born, but rather on the choices that person is making. As far as being attracted to the same gender but not living a homosexual lifestyle, I can't see how that would ever be an issue Unless a guy went around talking about how much he would love to be a practicing homosexual how would anyone ever know???

Judaism is a religion, not a nationality. There is not a "Jewish" nationality.

People choose to be a religion, and according to your logic, it would be okay to discriminate against a religion because it is a lifestyle choice.

The point is that the BSA has an exclusionary membership policy. They choose to exclude certain people based upon who they are. It is not equivalent to drug or alcohol abuse, because they are actions, and in the cases you are citing, illegal actions as drug abuse is illegal, and underage drinking is illegal.

It is no different than certain golf courses excluding women or blacks. They are a private entity, and within their right to do so, but the PGA is also within their rights not to support their policies by paying them to host tournaments.

As the old saying goes, "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

 

[badblackpug]

My nephews parents ate both involved in the troop as parents. They go on trips etc. with the full knowledge of all. They do not pretend to be anything they aren't. So please do not tell me what you do not know.

There are no rules that say they cannot be. They are intent upon changing their world bit by bit by bit and they are.

Actually, I think it is great that your brother and his partner are trying to change things, and that the rest of the troop is on board with it. I truly believe that education is the key to ending discrimination, and that the more people are exposed to things that are "foreign" to them, the more they will understand that, at the heart of it all, we are all just people trying to make our way in the world.

I guess I don't understand, though, like others, are your brother and his partner official leaders, or just very involved parents?

... and I am not trying to be mean, because I strongly disagree with the BSA policy regarding homosexuals, but how would you feel about the organization if the higher ups got wind of you brother and his partner's involvement with the troop (whether official or not) and banned them from participating in activities? (which, as things stand, they can and would do)

 

[mdsoccermom]

I was meaning Jewish as in nationality wise, as in they were born that way and have no control over it. I meant that as far as they are concerned they are not in any way excluding based on how someone was born, but rather on the choices that person is making. As far as being attracted to the same gender but not living a homosexual lifestyle, I can't see how that would ever be an issue Unless a guy went around talking about how much he would love to be a practicing homosexual how would anyone ever know???

Umm, sweetheart. I'm Jewish. It's my religion. My nationality is American. There is no country that has Judaism as its nationality.

 

[Granny square]

I've found through the years that an organization might have rules or positions that do not phay out in the local. And that the learning curve starts from the bottom and moves up.

It is very easy to have intellectual ideas based primarily on media hype rather than real life. Real life is a far different animal. Luckily.

I'm done. busy day ahead. In the end you not buying the god awful expensive popcorn because of the rules makes no more of an impact than the person who won't buy it because of the cost. I don't buy it. I just donate straight to the cause. That way there is no loss of funds.

Lol a homosexual is a homosexual whether they have a partner or not. Same with a heterosexual or bisexual. You are what you are.

 

[Pigeon]

Especially when they are discriminated against.

How are Boy Scouts discriminated against? Because people won't buy popcorn from an organization? We're atheists. My kids wouldn't be allowed in the Boy Scouts. Why on earth would I want to give my money to an organization that would bar my children from participating because they don't believe in the supernatural?

Are there organizations you don't voluntarily donate your money to? Does that mean the organization is being discriminated against?

 

[SaraJayne]

Many people don't consider discrimination "crap."

The reason, I, and many others choose not to buy from, or in any way support the BSA is because of the above. A portion of my money would go to support discrimination.

If you are paying dues to, or fundraising for the BSA, you are supporting their philosophy. In my belief discrimination is discrimination. Replace the word "homosexual" with "black," "jewish," or "Latino." Is it still acceptable on any level of the organization?

...and I agree, it is not appropriate to lecture little boys, a simple "no, thank you" is more than sufficient. However, along those lines, teach your children to accept that "no, thank you" and not continue to beg and badger. (parents should learn to accept it, too)

 

[nchulka]

Umm, sweetheart. I'm Jewish. It's my religion. My nationality is American. There is no country that has Judaism as its nationality.

Not to get totally off subject but, being Jewish and believing the Jewish religion are not always the same. There are Jewish people who are practicing Catholics, protestants, etc. They may not believe the Jewish religion but they are still Jewish. Therefor if an organization was going to ban Jews, they would not care what religion the person practiced. If you're Jewish you're Jewish, no matter what country you live in or if you are practicing the Jewish religion or not! Of course you are American, but you are also Jewish, not because of what you believe, but because you were born Jewish! There are also people who believe and practice the Jewish religion that are not Jewish. You're either born Jewish or not, as an adult you can choose to practice the religion or not but you're still either Jewish or not based on your birth. I was talking about discrimination against someone who was Jewish based on their birth, something they cannot control. They decide if they want to practice the religion or not.

Anyway, I was just using being black or Jewish as an example of how that would be exclusionary based on how a person was born. It's very different from what the Scouts are doing, because they take the position that a person in not in fact born gay, but rather chooses to live a gay lifestyle. Therefor they are banning members who choose to engage in an activity they disagree with, not banning members for who they are, how they were born.

 

[crashbb]

Not to get totally off subject but, being Jewish and believing the Jewish religion are not always the same. There are Jewish people who are practicing Catholics, protestants, etc. They may not believe the Jewish religion but they are still Jewish. Therefor if an organization was going to ban Jews, they would not care what religion the person practiced. If you're Jewish you're Jewish, no matter what country you live in or if you are practicing the Jewish religion or not! Of course you are American, but you are also Jewish, not because of what you believe, but because you were born Jewish! There are also people who believe and practice the Jewish religion that are not Jewish. You're either born Jewish or not, as an adult you can choose to practice the religion or not but you're still either Jewish or not based on your birth. I was talking about discrimination against someone who was Jewish based on their birth, something they cannot control. They decide if they want to practice the religion or not.

Um...no. I've heard the arguments about it being an ethnicity (though that is debated), but never that it is a nationality. If "Jewish" is a nationality (as you keep saying), can you please point me to the country of "Jewishness"? I've never heard of it, personally, but it must exist.

BTW - If you are thinking of going with Israel, the people in my family who were born and raised in Israel, are Christians (and always have been). And they've been there since before Israel was Israel.

 

[GoofyMB]

I can not believe how many people actually sell door to door

Do your governing councils encourage you all to do this? or is it your troop? I am just curious because we were always told that it was against National rules and we would be disqualified for the prizes if our scouts sold door to door.

As far a REQUIRING boys to sell popcorn or sell a certain amount of popcorn that is a GROSS abuse of this fund raising effort. Someone is committing a HUGE violation.

I beleive the boys are not allowed to sell door to door by themselves. When accompanied by a parent and/or another scout it is allowed.

 

[GoofyMB]

Wait... it is't mandatory to sell it? My son's den said it was and the lowest amount we can set our goal is $389! A lot of people don't buy it because it is so expensive so my DS was never been able to make his goal and always disappointed. My DH as well as my employers have strict policies prohibiting us from selling at work as well.

Can someone find me the guidelaw that states they can't make it mandatory?

It is determined at a local level. There is no national policy making it mandatory. As others have stated a large portion of the sales come back to the Troop/Pack and to the Council. If a Pack/Troop chooses not to sell popcorn the must either increase their dues or do other fundraisers. Many Packs/Troops will determine what it costs to run the activities for the year and calculate how much they need for each scout to contribute and use that to determine how much popcorn to sell to fund the needs. There are often alternatives available to those who do not wish to sell.

 

[mdsoccermom]

Not to get totally off subject but, being Jewish and believing the Jewish religion are not always the same. There are Jewish people who are practicing Catholics, protestants, etc. They may not believe the Jewish religion but they are still Jewish. Therefor if an organization was going to ban Jews, they would not care what religion the person practiced. If you're Jewish you're Jewish, no matter what country you live in or if you are practicing the Jewish religion or not! Of course you are American, but you are also Jewish, not because of what you believe, but because you were born Jewish! There are also people who believe and practice the Jewish religion that are not Jewish. You're either born Jewish or not, as an adult you can choose to practice the religion or not but you're still either Jewish or not based on your birth. I was talking about discrimination against someone who was Jewish based on their birth, something they cannot control. They decide if they want to practice the religion or not.

Anyway, I was just using being black or Jewish as an example of how that would be exclusionary based on how a person was born. It's very different from what the Scouts are doing, because they take the position that a person in not in fact born gay, but rather chooses to live a gay lifestyle. Therefor they are banning members who choose to engage in an activity they disagree with, not banning members for who they are, how they were born.

How do you know I was born Jewish? Maybe I converted.

Um...no. I've heard the arguments about it being an ethnicity (though that is debated), but never that it is a nationality. If "Jewish" is a nationality (as you keep saying), can you please point me to the country of "Jewishness"? I've never heard of it, personally, but it must exist.

BTW - If you are thinking of going with Israel, the people in my family who were born and raised in Israel, are Christians (and always have been). And they've been there since before Israel was Israel.

Thank you. I don't think she understands that nationality is a legal status conferred upon someone by a country.

I understand she is thinking of matrilineal descent, but I don't think she understands the complexities, such as if a person does go through a formal conversion process they are considered by the religion completely, 100% halachically Jewish. The Torah is clear on that.

 

[badblackpug]

Not to get totally off subject but, being Jewish and believing the Jewish religion are not always the same. There are Jewish people who are practicing Catholics, protestants, etc. They may not believe the Jewish religion but they are still Jewish. Therefor if an organization was going to ban Jews, they would not care what religion the person practiced. If you're Jewish you're Jewish, no matter what country you live in or if you are practicing the Jewish religion or not! Of course you are American, but you are also Jewish, not because of what you believe, but because you were born Jewish! There are also people who believe and practice the Jewish religion that are not Jewish. You're either born Jewish or not, as an adult you can choose to practice the religion or not but you're still either Jewish or not based on your birth. I was talking about discrimination against someone who was Jewish based on their birth, something they cannot control. They decide if they want to practice the religion or not.

Anyway, I was just using being black or Jewish as an example of how that would be exclusionary based on how a person was born. It's very different from what the Scouts are doing, because they take the position that a person in not in fact born gay, but rather chooses to live a gay lifestyle. Therefor they are banning members who choose to engage in an activity they disagree with, not banning members for who they are, how they were born.

Yeah, no. Judaism is a religion. You are Jewish if you practice Judaism, just like you are catholic if you practice Catholicism. Jews, like christians and muslims, hail from many nations around the world.

Your nationality is derived from which country in which you were born. If you were born in Canada, you are Canadian.

 

[GoofyMB]

As far as the issues with not allowing gay leaders or scouts, that bothers me and I have been torn about taking my boys out of scouts because of it. While it does not affect me directly I oppose that kind of discrimination, however one of my boys has been in since he was a Tiger and he's now a third year boy scout and he loves it and doesn't do any other extra-curricular activities so it's a hard decision for me.

IMO I think it should be the boys decision if he would like to continue or not. At the Boy Scout level tha Troop is run by the boys, they are being taught to be responsible and are expected to make their own decisions on many issues. As a 3rd year scout he is old enough to decide if it is an issue that bothers him. You can share your opinion with him in a way that he can understand while making sure he knows the ultimate decision is his to make. Remember that the purpose of Boy Scouts is to teach the boys to become good responsible citizens. While I was a scout leader for years, I disagree with the National Policy on this and some of the other policies but never let any of these issues affect the boys and their enjoyment of scouting and their growth.

 

[mrsbornkuntry]

IMO I think it should be the boys decision if he would like to continue or not. At the Boy Scout level tha Troop is run by the boys, they are being taught to be responsible and are expected to make their own decisions on many issues. As a 3rd year scout he is old enough to decide if it is an issue that bothers him. You can share your opinion with him in a way that he can understand while making sure he knows the ultimate decision is his to make. Remember that the purpose of Boy Scouts is to teach the boys to become good responsible citizens. While I was a scout leader for years, I disagree with the National Policy on this and some of the other policies but never let any of these issues affect the boys and their enjoyment of scouting and their growth.

That's a good point, I will discuss it with him and get his thoughts.

 

[btass]

When my son was a Cub Scout his Pack always set up a table in front of the Polls on Election day. They always sold out on just that one day sale too.

 

[buzz5985]

First, I am stating facts, not insulting you or your family members so I don't appreciate your attitude with me. I think we can have a respectful conversation on this thread without rudeness.

I was simply trying to understand your post and I am telling you exactly what I do know, google it. This website has some current information: http://bsa-discrimination.org/html/bsa_gay_policy.html . BSA policy forbids homosexual parents and boys in their troops. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, obviously that's not true, I'm just telling you that if anyone complains to the council about it they will be asked to step down. It happened recently. http://www.inquisitr.com/226318/lesbian-den-mother-kicked-out-of-boy-scouts/ . So yes, there are absolutely rules that say they cannot be involved in boy scouts.

Again, I'm not agreeing with the rules or the fact that they obviously are involved in scouting, I'm just stating the fact that there is such a rule and the council can and will enforce it at their will.

Not all councils follow the National Policies. My council - Boston Minuteman council have a nondiscrimination clause. As you see in the article below in the Wall Street Journal - BSA is well aware of Boston's stance and there have been no repercussions. There are other Councils mentioned in the article - but I am only familiar with Boston Minuteman Council.


http://http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443343704577551162306364148.html