Tipping at buffets

Thanks " stinky Pete " for saying everything I have always said...... I dont get a tip for cleaning people's teeth.... its my JOB!!! I work as hard as any waitress and never have gotten tipped..... I will tip what I think the service is worth whether its a buffet or a sitdown meal.
 
I tip the same as a regular meal; 20% for good service, sometime less for not so good service.
 
I love these tipping threads. I don't know why but I do. My wife and I don't generally eat at many buffets; it's not really our style. Actually I think the last time we went to a buffet was at WDW back in October. I don't really remember what we tip as a rule, but I generally tip around 20% for decent service regardless of whether it's a buffet or table service. I require regular fill-ups on my beverage, so I like attentive servers. If someone is attentive, I tip them well. I saw someone mention tipping over 20% as throwing money around... I don't think that's necessarily the case at all. When I tip over 20% it's generally because the server did a great job. I think I'm entitled to express my appreciation in that fashion without pretending to be a high roller.

I know it's easy for some to sit back and say, "I don't get tips when I do a good job at [insert your random job here]" and use that to justify not tipping servers or not tipping them well if they deserve it. That is, of course, your prerogative and I don't begrudge you that. Do any of you receive performance-based bonuses at the end of the year? What is that but a tip from your employer?

I am in the camp that accepts tipping as a custom, builds it into the cost of the meal, and doesn't complain about it. I've never served tables, but I respect those who do because it's a difficult job. I also have a difficult job, so I can relate.
 
I refuse to pay 18% - 20% on a meal i served to myself...about 10% is sufficient...of course, if we warrent extra work or want more from the staff, we will accomidate but to go into a buffet expecting to pay that much is ubsurd.

We are all entitled to our own opinion here...but what i have a problem with in threads like this is the assertation that wait staff are under paid and it is the rest os society's responsibility to make up the pay. Look, I did not force Susie to be a waitress...just as Susie did not force me to work at a hospital. I do not employ Susie at my restaurant (not that I own one) and pay her less than mimimum wage. Susie knew the pay, the hours, and the kind of work she was getting into when she agreed to take the job. If she wants an average tip...she should provide pleasant service...it's her job. If she wants a higher than normal tip, she shoudl provide better than average service. BUT, it is not my problem if Susie had a bad day or she does not feel well or the place is short staffed...just as it is not her problem if I happen to be taking care of her one day and have had a bad day or don't feel well or are short staffed...I still have to do my job...and even if/when i do it well or above expectations...NO ONE TIPS ME!!!! It is my job...the one I took...the one I knew all about when I agreed to work there.

We always say how hard wait staff work and how friendly they have to be...that may be in an ideal world but unfortunately when I am taking my family out for the average meal at Chilis or whatever local place you frequent, usually I am lucky to get a wait person to spend more that two seconds at my table and most of the time we are still asking for another place setting or re-arranging the plates.

Everyone works hard...or at least should. That argument with tipping does not hold water. There are many professions that work much harder than wait staff and have not bonus/tip availability.

Bottow Line : if you want a good tip...give good service. It is my option to tip based upon service...not my obligation to you.

And by the way...if any restaurant (Disney included) imposes a manditory tip for all, we won't be eating there...it will be fast food for us.


DITTO!!!!!!!!
 

My husband and I eat out with or without the kids at least three times a week. I tip 15% for average service and adjust accordingly from there for bad or exceptional service. There is no way on this God's green earth I'm going to give 20% to someone who makes us wait 15 minutes before approaching us, is nowhere to be found when our glasses are empty, etc. And don't even get me started on a server who doesn't give 1 dollar bills back in change forcing you to either leave a larger tip (I won't be forced into anything!) or wait to ask them to break the 5 or 10 they gave you back (that;s if you can find them again). BUT obviously everyone has there own opinion and that's fine. I won't tell you what to tip if you don't tell me ;)

Now has anyone else experienced this...a few years ago we started noticing a trend that I find tacky and rude. Let's say the total bill is $42.73 I give the server $60 and ask for change. The server brings back $18. BUT should have brought $18.27. (I hope my math is right) :laughing: He or she has kept my 27cents. Not much I know but it is mine after all. The first couple of times it happened I let it go thinking they where just busy and not paying attention but when it happened again it really annoyed me. If the server does that with every table they server they're supplimenting their tips quite nicely in a week. Oh and by the way, this happened to us at Disney last year at the Plaza Restaurant in MK! Totally shocked me :eek: I always call the server on it now when this happens and have spoken to one restaurant mgr where we're regulars when this happened multiple times to us.
Good service should always be rewarded appropriately but is has to be earned.
 
I refuse to pay 18% - 20% on a meal i served to myself...about 10% is sufficient...of course, if we warrent extra work or want more from the staff, we will accomidate but to go into a buffet expecting to pay that much is ubsurd.

We are all entitled to our own opinion here...but what i have a problem with in threads like this is the assertation that wait staff are under paid and it is the rest os society's responsibility to make up the pay. Look, I did not force Susie to be a waitress...just as Susie did not force me to work at a hospital. I do not employ Susie at my restaurant (not that I own one) and pay her less than mimimum wage. Susie knew the pay, the hours, and the kind of work she was getting into when she agreed to take the job. If she wants an average tip...she should provide pleasant service...it's her job. If she wants a higher than normal tip, she shoudl provide better than average service. BUT, it is not my problem if Susie had a bad day or she does not feel well or the place is short staffed...just as it is not her problem if I happen to be taking care of her one day and have had a bad day or don't feel well or are short staffed...I still have to do my job...and even if/when i do it well or above expectations...NO ONE TIPS ME!!!! It is my job...the one I took...the one I knew all about when I agreed to work there.

Everyone works hard...or at least should. That argument with tipping does not hold water. There are many professions that work much harder than wait staff and have not bonus/tip availability.

Bottow Line : if you want a good tip...give good service. It is my option to tip based upon service...not my obligation to you.

And by the way...if any restaurant (Disney included) imposes a manditory tip for all, we won't be eating there...it will be fast food for us.

Who is your post directed at? Who ever says tip 18 - 20 percent no matter what the service? Im going to address the points I see within it.

1. Its not absurd going into a buffet expecting to pay that much, thats the expectation. Thats how it is. Some cultures may find shaking hands absurd, you exist in this one where tipping is customary. If you dislike it, Australia and Japan are quite different.

2. Your job does not pay 3 something an hour. Serving is a job that is supplemented by tips for GOOD SERVICE. It induces the server to do a good job. If they don't no server anywhere will get angry at you for whatever you do or don't leave as a tip.

3. Again, serving is supplemented by good service tips. You do understand you would see about a 15 percent raise in prices if the servers were paid properly? At least this way they are induced to work hard.

4. It is your obligation to tip for good service. It is how the custom works. You can choose not to, this is your free choice. You are breaking custom and generally any restaurant and its servers would prefer you don't come in. The server for obvious reasons, and believe it or not the restaurant too. Bad tippers cost restaurants good servers, which causes a decrease in quality, which earns them less money in the long run than losing cheap customers.

5. 10 percent isn't a good tip, its not awful though. No one who gave you amazing service would be thrilled with it. If you were a repeat customer your service would go downhill.

6. This one is really important. Every job you are supposed to work hard in. Usually this doesn't involve putting up with annoying, often rude and demanding guests, and smiling at them no matter what. If it does, there is generally a benefit for your doing it (commission for sales, landing a big client as a lawyer, keeping a patient who directly pays you as doctors do). You can go work hard as a server all you want but you have to smile and treat ignorant people with respect no matter what. That's why they deserve a tip. Again, other jobs don't pay 3 something an hour. Often servers are servers because they are working to something else. Shockingly school doesn't pay for itself and its tough to get on at other jobs during the night and at varying times.

If a server has a bad day and treats the customer like garbage, they don't want a tip. They don't care. They do not care at all. Tell them off if you want, they don't care. They are aware of their actions, they want to get through their shift and out of there. Don't tip them, they weren't expecting one. This happens from time to time. Its not ideal, and it sucks for the customer. Bad server BAD SERVER.

Your entire argument is based on weird assumptions, like servers expect tips for bad service. And, customs have no value, customs and tradition have a lot of value. The fact is it is society's responsibility to make up the difference, its how the custom works. I'm sorry you don't like it. If you want to reassign the responsibility imagine the consequences first, increased food prices, lack of incentive for good service for servers. If you get good service, your 10 percent tip isn't good, but you're free to give it. 15 is good, 18 is pretty high. If the service is so bad you didn't tip, and the server wasn't obviously just wanting to get out of there, do both of you a favor and give some constructive feedback. Servers dont like sucking either.

If you think you did all the work at the buffet, take your dishes into the kitchen, get your own drinks, take the food out to the hot plates, dont get drinks, etc. You don't understand how restaurants work, so don't assume you do. Its like me trying to tell a nuclear physicist about their job. I have no idea what I'm talking about in that field. Other than that your post isn't relevant to what anyone thinks about tipping anyways.

I'll repeat it again, 90 percent of your post is about bad service, and I've never seen someone insist you should tip for bad service. I doubt you tip properly even given you get good service, you have so many arguments set up around not tipping, but I could be wrong.

If mandatory tipping ever comes in it will because they HAVE TO DO IT to keep good workers from going to places where the customer base isn't so cheap. Or, they could jack prices 15 percent and have no tipping. That 15 percent would be taxed as well, so you pick. Oh, there is a final option. The kids at mcdonalds get more /hour than servers. So stop tipping and then restaurants can hire kids of lesser caliber than the mcdonalds (Ive worked there too long ago) ones to serve you. I can tell you how far they will go for that 3 something an hour without a tip. I hope you like your food cold and your drinks empty.
 
Now has anyone else experienced this...a few years ago we started noticing a trend that I find tacky and rude. Let's say the total bill is $42.73 I give the server $60 and ask for change. The server brings back $18. BUT should have brought $18.27. (I hope my math is right) :laughing:

Actually, if the cheque is $42.73, you should be getting $17.27 back, so if your server gives you $18 you're coming out ahead. ;)

Seriously though, I'd be really annoyed if this happened to me (it hasn't, possibly since we use Visa the vast majority of the time). People can hate/complain about tipping as much as they want, but it's still voluntary (even if you feel pressured into it by society/peers/fear-of-retribution-next-time, you still can leave without tipping a dime). But if someone starts deliberately keeping my money - there's no choice in that and I'd be pretty outraged!
 
You say if you get bad service you shouldn't leave a tip but would anyone dare do that in the US - one would be treated as a pariah surely!

Believe it or not, a lot of servers in the US do get stiffed and usually not because of bad service. Some people refuse to tip, or just can't afford it. This is the reason most restaurants require automatic gratuity on larger parties (6 or more). Larger parties occupy more of the server's time so they can not serve as many tables. If a server had a party of 8 and could not take any more tables for the hour+ that the party was there, then getting no tip would be a bad situation due to the amount of service the server has provided. Then the server would be required to tip out the bartender, busboy, hostess, and all of those %'s are based on the total sales, not just the total tips. In this situation the server is losing money, especially if they are only making $3 per hour. The automatic gratuity is actually there to protect the servers. I agree that it is not the best custom, but it is what it is. If you don't want to tip, then don't. Everyone has to decide for themselves just how much the service they received was worth and tip (or not) accordingly. Everyone has their own guidelines, but for the most part, people usually tip 15-20% as a standard for good service in this country. But for every few 20%'er that a server gets, they get a sub-10%er too. It really is not uncommon for good servers to average less than 15% on a normal day.
 
I refuse to pay 18% - 20% on a meal i served to myself...about 10% is sufficient...of course, if we warrent extra work or want more from the staff, we will accomidate but to go into a buffet expecting to pay that much is ubsurd.

We are all entitled to our own opinion here...but what i have a problem with in threads like this is the assertation that wait staff are under paid and it is the rest os society's responsibility to make up the pay. Look, I did not force Susie to be a waitress...just as Susie did not force me to work at a hospital. I do not employ Susie at my restaurant (not that I own one) and pay her less than mimimum wage. Susie knew the pay, the hours, and the kind of work she was getting into when she agreed to take the job. If she wants an average tip...she should provide pleasant service...it's her job. If she wants a higher than normal tip, she shoudl provide better than average service. BUT, it is not my problem if Susie had a bad day or she does not feel well or the place is short staffed...just as it is not her problem if I happen to be taking care of her one day and have had a bad day or don't feel well or are short staffed...I still have to do my job...and even if/when i do it well or above expectations...NO ONE TIPS ME!!!! It is my job...the one I took...the one I knew all about when I agreed to work there.

We always say how hard wait staff work and how friendly they have to be...that may be in an ideal world but unfortunately when I am taking my family out for the average meal at Chilis or whatever local place you frequent, usually I am lucky to get a wait person to spend more that two seconds at my table and most of the time we are still asking for another place setting or re-arranging the plates.

Everyone works hard...or at least should. That argument with tipping does not hold water. There are many professions that work much harder than wait staff and have not bonus/tip availability.

Bottow Line : if you want a good tip...give good service. It is my option to tip based upon service...not my obligation to you.

And by the way...if any restaurant (Disney included) imposes a manditory tip for all, we won't be eating there...it will be fast food for us.

You're so right and this is coming from an ex server!!! I worked at Hard Rock in '95 and would come home with $150-$350 a day depending on the state the tourists came from and how busy we were! The servers at Disney must make upwards to $500 a shift if they're adding on 18-20% to those super inflated prices! How dare they ask someone if they are "tipping in cash or charging it to their room!!!?" Tip is NOT mandatory in the United States of America. It is customary to tip on service given! I guess they bully people with these slips that give a choice of 18 or 20% as a tip. I just find this absurd, insulting, and very unprofessional! I feel sorry for the person that gives me such a thing. Little Susie wont know what hit her! ;)
 
Tipping in Europe is not the same as here in the US, but in many European countries, gratuities are included in the price of the meals. So whether you leave 18% on the table in the US or eat at a restaurant in Germany where an 18% gratuity has already been included in the price of your jaegerschnitzel, the end result is still the same.

That's not really a tip though, is it? The 18% is part of the bill so you aren't actually tipping for good service or bad; just paying the waiter or waitress.
 
http://www.tipping.org


"5% to 10% of the total bill is suggested. This depends heavily on exactly how much work is done by the waitstaff. In some restaurants, the waitstaff does very little. Usually is simply bringing fresh linen and/or utensils. In some other restaurants, the staff brings drinks, and some orders from the kitchen directly."

FWIW, we're usually tipping 15% and my DH objects -- this is the same man who spent years in the restaurant industry and will tip 18%-20% at a FS restaurant.
 
I used to tip 20% at WDW before the dining plan. I used to waitress, I know how hard it is. But the way the service degraded during the automatic tipping phase of the dining plan really made me mad. We were practically ignored in some places. We had one waiter at Coral Reef that asked us what we wanted and never said a word the rest of the night, when he would actually show up. I called him "the Ghost" :snooty:

But as far as buffets vs. sit down meals, I consider buffets as labor intensive as sit downs. So I start the tip at the same amount, 15%, and adjust from there.

Your server must have been trained by the witch I had there last Summer. We left, but did stay seated at the table a good 30 minutes as we waited for an acceptance at another restaurant. The manager was great, handled it well but that old woman was literally a witch! :stir: I don't think serving is a hard job, it's a gross job, and at HRC I'd bring home anywhere from$150-$350 in '95! The servers at WDW must make $500 a shift if people tip them what they expect....because the $10.99 pasta from Fridays is $23.99 at Disney! They probably make more money than most college educated professionals! I agree, the labor intensive part of the meal is clearing out peoples plates, refilling their drinks, bringing the extra napkins and making sure they're good with everything! Taking the order and having a food runner deliver the food doesn't mean they should make more. My problem with WDW is the paper that's being presented with 18 or 20% on it and from what people are saying....the servers are being rude about it forcing them to pay the tip before they leave and in some cases before they finish their meals. That's uncalled for! Most of the time I get great service at WDW but other times I've had complete idiots wait on us. They get tipped depending on the job they do! (From us anyway!) :hug:
 
Who is your post directed at? Who ever says tip 18 - 20 percent no matter what the service? Im going to address the points I see within it.

1. Its not absurd going into a buffet expecting to pay that much, thats the expectation. Thats how it is. Some cultures may find shaking hands absurd, you exist in this one where tipping is customary. If you dislike it, Australia and Japan are quite different.

2. Your job does not pay 3 something an hour. Serving is a job that is supplemented by tips for GOOD SERVICE. It induces the server to do a good job. If they don't no server anywhere will get angry at you for whatever you do or don't leave as a tip.

3. Again, serving is supplemented by good service tips. You do understand you would see about a 15 percent raise in prices if the servers were paid properly? At least this way they are induced to work hard.

4. It is your obligation to tip for good service. It is how the custom works. You can choose not to, this is your free choice. You are breaking custom and generally any restaurant and its servers would prefer you don't come in. The server for obvious reasons, and believe it or not the restaurant too. Bad tippers cost restaurants good servers, which causes a decrease in quality, which earns them less money in the long run than losing cheap customers.

5. 10 percent isn't a good tip, its not awful though. No one who gave you amazing service would be thrilled with it. If you were a repeat customer your service would go downhill.

6. This one is really important. Every job you are supposed to work hard in. Usually this doesn't involve putting up with annoying, often rude and demanding guests, and smiling at them no matter what. If it does, there is generally a benefit for your doing it (commission for sales, landing a big client as a lawyer, keeping a patient who directly pays you as doctors do). You can go work hard as a server all you want but you have to smile and treat ignorant people with respect no matter what. That's why they deserve a tip. Again, other jobs don't pay 3 something an hour. Often servers are servers because they are working to something else. Shockingly school doesn't pay for itself and its tough to get on at other jobs during the night and at varying times.

If a server has a bad day and treats the customer like garbage, they don't want a tip. They don't care. They do not care at all. Tell them off if you want, they don't care. They are aware of their actions, they want to get through their shift and out of there. Don't tip them, they weren't expecting one. This happens from time to time. Its not ideal, and it sucks for the customer. Bad server BAD SERVER.

Your entire argument is based on weird assumptions, like servers expect tips for bad service. And, customs have no value, customs and tradition have a lot of value. The fact is it is society's responsibility to make up the difference, its how the custom works. I'm sorry you don't like it. If you want to reassign the responsibility imagine the consequences first, increased food prices, lack of incentive for good service for servers. If you get good service, your 10 percent tip isn't good, but you're free to give it. 15 is good, 18 is pretty high. If the service is so bad you didn't tip, and the server wasn't obviously just wanting to get out of there, do both of you a favor and give some constructive feedback. Servers dont like sucking either.

If you think you did all the work at the buffet, take your dishes into the kitchen, get your own drinks, take the food out to the hot plates, dont get drinks, etc. You don't understand how restaurants work, so don't assume you do. Its like me trying to tell a nuclear physicist about their job. I have no idea what I'm talking about in that field. Other than that your post isn't relevant to what anyone thinks about tipping anyways.

I'll repeat it again, 90 percent of your post is about bad service, and I've never seen someone insist you should tip for bad service. I doubt you tip properly even given you get good service, you have so many arguments set up around not tipping, but I could be wrong.

If mandatory tipping ever comes in it will because they HAVE TO DO IT to keep good workers from going to places where the customer base isn't so cheap. Or, they could jack prices 15 percent and have no tipping. That 15 percent would be taxed as well, so you pick. Oh, there is a final option. The kids at mcdonalds get more /hour than servers. So stop tipping and then restaurants can hire kids of lesser caliber than the mcdonalds (Ive worked there too long ago) ones to serve you. I can tell you how far they will go for that 3 something an hour without a tip. I hope you like your food cold and your drinks empty.

If you think no one has said to tip for bad service, well then you have not read all of this or other tipping threads.

Tipping may be customary but the level has grown steadily even though the price on which it is based has grown.

So you do not want to see servers paid properly.

There are many low paid jobs not just things like commission sales where high levels of service are required and they achieve it without the bribe of direct payment.

Why do servers need the carrot to provide good service, if they were paid properly why would they not give good service, many other workers do.

In Buffets I have seen it has been kitchen staff who has dealt with replenishing the food as they are the ones preparing it.

You seem to condone bad service for a bad tip so in fact supporting a form of extortion.
 
You seem to condone bad service for a bad tip so in fact supporting a form of extortion.

I condone brutal service if there is no tip (this obviously can not happen except without repeat customers, and trust me this does happen at every restaurant with repeat no tippers). I condone no tip if the service is poor. I don't see how either of those are unfair, its not extortion any more than if you dont pay for a new car you want to buy you cant have it. You won't pay for the service via tip, thats fine, welcome to bad service. Its the same thing.
The tip is traditional and customary, its not some surprise to the dining guest, if you didn't want to pay for dry cleaning would you get it? No, you wouldn't go in. Don't want to tip for good service? Don't go in. Easy. And yes, I said if the service bad, don't tip, that is perfectly reasonable.

What are all these low paid jobs (below min wage like serving) that require high service with no bribe of tipping. Im not aware of a single one.

Im not in favor of servers making the correct wage, it would increase bills by 15 percent, which is fine, but it removes the incentive. I've been a server. I have no problem having to work for that 10 - 15 percent. I've also done weddings as a server which is always a mandatory tip added to the bill. Servers clean up at those, I'd take home 400 for 12 hours of work on expensive weddings, but maybe 20 on cheap ones. Didn't matter if I sucked or not, I think that's a bad system (I understand why they do it for weddings, still not an ideal situation). I think as a customer its better to have the tip then just pay the server properly and have no voice through tip. That is also why I like the carrot. Carrots are good, they're used everywhere. Literally from little wee servers to world stage international relations (see aid).

I think you summarized my thoughts pretty well Andy B. Just wanted to clarify the reasoning.
 
Brutal service? I think you are upping the ante. This vertainly smacks of extortion or revenge, not pleasant under any circumstances.

I did not refer to sub minimum wages but low paid, do you think minimum wages are not low, care workers, shop workers, cleaners all do important jobs often at minimum with no tips do you say they are all doing a sub standard job because they are not in a tipped job. Why not make all jobs and payments sunject to what the buyer thinks the job is worth?

I sometimes think that the US has been brainwashed on this matter, to think that paying servers sub minimum is ok, to me it seems a way of keeping low paid workers in their place, yes paying them a proper wage would put up the costs of a meal but it would lead to a fairer system as they would be paid as to their job not as to the cost of the food. You dont get an itemised bill with raw food cost, property costs, fuel costs, and expected to tip the chef, sou chef, pastry chef, so why should the costs of the server not be included?
 
That's not really a tip though, is it? The 18% is part of the bill so you aren't actually tipping for good service or bad; just paying the waiter or waitress.

To me, it is. Gratuity is gratuity (or tipping as it is more commonly known in the US) whether I leave it on the table, or they include it in the price of the meal. In either case the gratuity goes to the server for the service provided. Whether they take it from me (by including it in the meal price), or I give it to them, it's still a tip. If it were to go towards the owner of the restaurant rather than the server, it would be considered a service charge. But if the server receives it, it's a tip.
 
I go with the accepted standard for the U.S.
. . . At least $1 per head if you get your own beverages
. . . If you order beverages from the server, then tip 10% before taxes
 
We use 18% as the baseline and go up or down from there based on service/attitude/etc.
 

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