Tippin question

So you don't think that people in "careers" who don't pay taxes don't influence your taxes?

And I quote "careers" because I am not talking just servers but anyone else in some kind of "service" area that deals totally in cash ~ and usually is illegal.

I think anyone who doesn't correctly report their income influences how much taxes I pay.
 
I'm going to try and get this back on track with the "tables in wonderland", what used to be "disney dining experience" where for the most part the tip will be charged and not in cash. Under the new plan, 18% is "deducted" for tip, so whether you pay your entire check in cash or charge, to me will be irrelevant.
Even with the 18%, I'll slip some cash to a server that has provided great service. I don't want to get in to the tax reporting aspects because that's an individuals choice, as with how they want to compensate someone for services provided.
 
Why do certain people feel that a simple question needs to turn into a debate?

All the poor OP was asking was if tips should be cash & added to credit card. What what places should be cash for tipping.

Very simple... no need to get into a debate of HOW MUCH or WHY YOU SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT TIP!
 
Why do certain people feel that a simple question needs to turn into a debate?

All the poor OP was asking was if tips should be cash & added to credit card. What what places should be cash for tipping.

Very simple... no need to get into a debate of HOW MUCH or WHY YOU SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT TIP!

Did you read the whole thread? There was nothing about HOW MUCH or WHY YOU SHOULD/SHOULD NOT TIP.

We were debating the FORM of payment and WHY to choose one over the other.

Which I believe was the OP's question.
 

I am guessing that the rest of us pay higher taxes to cover those that don't claim correctly.

And to the fellow who said that server make less than 30K a year..... what universe do you live on??

Let's assume the server works 40 hr/wk.

Last I knew they made 2.13/hr from the employer (this may have gone up not sure)

Assume the server works an 8 hour shift an probably has 3 tables going (maybe even sometimes 4) ~ if each of those tables has a $50 bill and pays a 15% tip = 22.50

So 22.50 X 8 X 5 = 900/wk

I am guessing at WDW 50 is low. Our average bill runs about $90 for the four of us and as often as possible we are in and out within 45 minutes. My DH tips based on quality of service starting at 15% and going upwards of 30%. I know that isn't the norm ~but having our kids treated nice with patience and what not is worth it to him. So I am guessing there will be some variation in cost of meal and tip percentage.

This puts a server at over $50K per year if they work full time.

I don't know why people assume wait staff don't make much money? My roommate from college whom I lived with for several years after always made more money than I did ~ she waitressed and I worked in technical support for a software company.

Also ~ if you pay with CC they have to wait until the end of the week? Big whoop! I don't get paid at the end of day ~ I get paid the following week as I am sure most people do.

Sorry ~ your logic doesn't make much sense to me.


I think the pp lives on planet earth. I was a waitress for a long time, and never did I make over 50K a year. You have the lunch rush, 11am to about 2, and the dinner rush about 6 to 9. Other than that, you never had a full section. If I worked the night shift, I got there at 4:30, had a pre-shift meeting, took tables at 5, had a full 4 table section at about 6 or 6:30 until 8:30 or 9, and a few straglers until 10. Then I would clean my section, do side work, and go home around 11. On a busy week night one could expect to have 12 tables, and on a busy weekend night maybe 20. So lets say a server works 6 nights a week, 2 being weekend nights.

4 week nights-that would be 90 a night. Most servers pay tip pool, at my work that would of be 20 bucks, so that server would leave with 70 bucks.
70 x 4= 280

two weekend nights
if I had 20 tables, and they all tipped 15% of 50 that would be 150, take out the 30 bucks in tip pool I would have to pay, that would be 120.
120 x 2= 240

Thats 520 a week, or 27,040. I wont count the 2.13 an hour I made because all my checks were under 5 dollars. I claimed my tips, and most people paid with credit cards. I had some co-workers who owed money at the end of the year because their 2.13 did not cover their taxes. This is also an ideal world. Not everyone spends 50 bucks when they go out to eat, and not every one tips 15%.

Being said, Disney is different because there really isn't a down time, and people tend to order more, and drink more on vacation. Now while someone who works at Ruth's Steak House may make over 50K, a waiter who works at Chili's, I promise you does not!
 
Except we are talking about Disney where there is no down time (I could be wrong but with the mad dash for ADR's) and guest arguing with hostesses to get seats I would guess I am not wrong on that.

And just because you choose not to include the amount that was withheld for taxes doesn't mean that doesn't get included. When asked for you annual income it is typically BEFORE taxes, medical insurance, 401K and whatever else could be taken out for.

Obviously places other than Disney MAY not be the same because there just isn't the demand to keep it full and lower bills could affect calculations.
 
Except we are talking about Disney where there is no down time (I could be wrong but with the mad dash for ADR's) and guest arguing with hostesses to get seats I would guess I am not wrong on that.

And just because you choose not to include the amount that was withheld for taxes doesn't mean that doesn't get included. When asked for you annual income it is typically BEFORE taxes, medical insurance, 401K and whatever else could be taken out for.

Obviously places other than Disney MAY not be the same because there just isn't the demand to keep it full and lower bills could affect calculations.


I also said Disney is different, because there is not downtime. I have heard that disney servers make really, really good money, and there is a wait list to become one. I also heard many of them only get to work a few shifts a week, and then the other shifts are host or server assistants. I was talking about your average run of the mill waiter, not a disney waiter. So add another 4651 so a waiter who works full time (not very many) would make on average a little over 30K. I may be wrong, but severs not claiming their tips cant be the reason taxes are so high. I would think in a place like wdw, most people pay with credit, and tip in credit, and therefore would be forced to claim that tip. Even in your local Chili's, most people pay with credit. Where I worked, it was about 85%. My cash tips were rarely more than my credit tips.
 
Still 30K for a job that is part time is NOT BAD.

Not just servers claiming tips ~ but the general feeling that people don't have to claim income that is cash.
 
:grouphug: Let's all get along! We are talking about the happiest place on earth, after all!

like PPs said, cash for tipping people who aren't waiting tables... cc/kttw cards/ cash or any other legal tender works for TS restaurants.
 
I waitressed my way through college, and as I have a dad who is an accountant, I know that it is the LAW to pay taxes on all your tips, whether you make $50,000 a year or just $50. To not do so is to break the law. The amount you make is irrelevant.
 

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