Timeshare/Vacation Club advice please

MARCIAKAZ

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Hi all! We're considering a timeshare or vacation club purchase and could use some advice for those of you who are owners or who have recently done a tour. We like the flexibility of points-based memberships (like DVC), and we'd like to do a tour or two during our next trip (12/30-1/6). Any suggestions about the better resorts, better deals? I already love DVC, so I don't really need any more info about that. We're really looking for other options for comparison's sake. Also, my DH is inclined to walk out on "hardball" sales pitches, so the less of that, the better ;) Thanks!!
 
I would check out the tug boards tugbbs.com (timeshare users group). Those boards cover all the major brands out there. Hotel based, points, etc.

The only two companies that I know of that are not hard sell are Marriott and DVC. We own with both. We bought DVC direct from Disney and Marriott resale. You can usually save a lot of money buying resale. For us, buying DVC direct from Disney was the better deal for the resorts we wanted. But that's unusual. Usually resale is cheaper.
 
RCI Points might fit the bill for you if you decide against DVC.

I've got a week that I'm about to list for sale. Feel free to email or PM me if you like.

The suggestion to read TUG is also an excellent one. It and the disboards are my two favorites.

Sheila
 
We have researched and researched the possibility of purchasing a timeshare ourselves, but have never been able to justify it financially. Emotionally...I can surely justify.

Over the years we have stayed in numerous timeshare resorts both in Orlando and other locations that we have rented through owners or via sites like skyauction. We have never paid more than what would be the annual maintenance fee to an owner of the resort. In other words, if the fees are $750 for the year, we have been able to rent for much less than that for a week or so...without ever doing a timeshare tour.

If you want to know where your vacation will be each year and want to stay in the same resort, it may work for you. We enjoy trying different places each time and have always managed to find a deal. But...I love the hunt of finding the deal. If you don't enjoy that, it can be a hassle. My latest deal is 10 days in June in Orlando in a 4 bedroom for $690 total...including all taxes. If I owned somewhere the maintenance fees would probably be more than that for only 7 days.


You will get many different opinions on this topic from: you should buy now to don't buy at all. My advice is to research, research and research it. Like another person suggested, check out the TUG board for a start.

Best of luck to you whatever you decide.

HeatherC
 

RESALE!!!!

RESALE!!!

Your avg timeshare loses about half it's value the day you buy it from the developer. If you find one you like investigate resale. (The exceptions to this rule are probably DVC, Marriott and Hilton)
 
1st principle of economics: CASH IS KING.

Do the math: Annual carrying costs(interest) + Maintenance + Resort fees + Network Exchange Fees + Special Assessments + ??? = More than it costs to stay when + where + do what you want.

The secondary market represents the true value of timeshares (typically 50% on a good, reputable one) - and there are many you can't even GIVE AWAY (no BS) due to run down resorts, maint and exchange fees, etc, etc, etc.

Don't fall for all "the lifetime of vacations" BS. What they don't tell you is incredible, such as: there is no guarantee that you can actually exchange (through RCI or II you typically must select three different resorts, or three different times, your exchange must be accepted, and so on); that your home resort and week has a "desireability factor" that affects your ability to exchange; that your exchange does not have to be confirmed until 60 and even sometimes 30 days prior to arrival - the fine print goes on, and on, and on...

Don't fall for the "how much do you spend on vacations" line. The cost of lodging is typically only a 1/4 to 1/3 of vacation costs. Travel, food, and activities are still going to increase at market rates. The truth is that vacations, like everything else will cost more in the future - duh! Oh, did I mention that those maintenance and all other fees will go up as well, often faster than market inflation rates?

Read all the horror stories about how people couldn't exchange their timeshare or book a room for their float week, all while the resort was booking regular rental reservations for the same time period(cash is king - remember!), that renters got the best rooms because the timeshare guests are a captive audience, etc.

As to DVC, it is an odd animal due to its exclusivity and as it is not a true timeshare - it is a usage lease that expires. I don't think it's worth it, but it has no true competition, so the value is in the eye of the beholder. ALL other timeshares simply aren't worth the true costs for 95% of people.
 
Read TUG. Learn. Ask questions. Learn more. Once you think you've got it all figured out, don't buy anything for several months after that---because there is still more to learn. It's really really easy to buy a timeshare. It's really really hard to sell one. Don't buy too quickly.

Another poster on TUG posts the following three pieces of advice as the Wisdom of Tug. I think he is right on:

1: Buy resale. Usually, a developer purchase costs 2-10X what a resale purchase costs. Sometimes buying from the developer is almost as good as resale, and once in a bright blue moon it's even a little bit better, but it's almost never a big mistake to buy resale.

2: Buy where you want to go. A lot of the sales pitch will be about exchanging, but that can be a dicey proposition, and it takes a while to understand how that works for you. Buying inside a "mini-system" hedges this somewhat.

3: Be reasonable in your expectations. Many people think they'll be vacationing for pennies on the dollar. Not so. It can be more affordable to own than to pay cash rental for equivalent lodging, but only if you are flexible, shrewd, or both.

Orlando can be a particularly difficult market to save by owning vs. renting. There are a LOT of "equivalent" rentals available---both timeshare and privately-owned vacation condos/townhomes/etc. You've really got to do your homework to have any hope of beating those costs. It can be done, but it isn't easy---you need just the right set of circumstances.

We studied the market for about a year casually, and another three months seriously before we bought. I'm pretty happy with it so far, but I'm still learning every day, and finding new and better ways to make use of my timeshare assets. It's a Fairfield points deed, and is very flexible. But, even that was hard to find. Less than one in 50 Fairfield deeds on the secondary market met my requirements, and of those, most tended to sell for more than I was willing to spend.

Finally, timesharing can be addictive, so be careful! I'm thinking of buying another... :lmao:
 
I thought about this post for some time. Having read a recent post debating the merits of timeshare ownership, and with the summer vacation season approaching, I cannot help but warn those who might be tempted or pursuaded to buy a timeshare about what I consider the worst thing they can do with their money. Go to Vegas - at least you have a chance of winning. With a timeshare you lose the minute you sign.

I like people. I like families. I have four children(now almost grown). I like seeing young families enjoying themselves on vacation. I don't like seeing them get ripped off by one of the biggest scam industries of all time. We had friends that bought a timeshare many years ago, at first they used it - but later it actually cost them dearly when they couldn't even give it away. But they still were liable for all those yearly fees, and they were turned over to collection agencies when they couldn't pay. It sucks to have your credit ruined - especially when you're going through hard times to start with.

Over the past 25 years, my wife and I have honestly considered buying certain timeshares at times, and have sat through numerous sales presentations ranging from low to extremely high pressure. We even signed a contract once, but after reading the fine print and doing some basic accounting cancelled the contract within the 5 day "cooling off"/right of rescission period mandated by the state in which it was signed.

Take the following example: You sit through a really nice presentation for a 2 bdr condo at a fairly new resort with wonderful spacious units, pools, health club, etc. The talk is ALWAYS the same: Ownership=investing vs renting=money gone forever, a lifetime of vacations, a resort book with wonderful pictures, blah, blah, blah. Being a saavy couple, though, you keep saying "no, we'd like to think this over" - but one of you is inevitably more enticed than the other. The salesman gets up and gives you some time. He comes back. He will typically "work" the spouse that is more enticed - and 95% of the time this is the wife. I'm not being sexist here, this is the reality of timeshare sales psychology, and the reason single women are welcome at many timeshare presentations but single men are excluded. The salesperson will then "enlist" the enticed spouse to convince the one who is holding out. He will disappear again, now giving your spouse time to sell you on the idea - we could vacation here, in Hawaii, in Rome, we can exchange for anywhere in the RCI or II book. In the back of your mind is the "don't let this deal get away, remember, after phase III is completed these units will be selling for $10,000 more!" And, lets face it, you want to make your spouse and family happy. You're on vacation, relaxed, thinking of all those future wonderful vacations at those places in that exchange book. The last thing you want to do is say "no" and be negative and disagreeable and disappoint the love of your life while they are happy...

And guess what, all of a sudden, almost like magic, the Sales Manager appears. Amazingly, some foolish couple, usually with with a dumb husband who would rather "throw away" his vacation dollars, has cancelled out on their purchase and you'll never believe your good fortune: Forget that 2 bdr condo - you can buy a 3 bdr unit for the same $19,900. Not only that, but they will pay for your RCI and/or II initiation fee, the closing costs, the first year's maintenance fee, the first year's resort fee, etc, etc, etc. You'll "save" thousands of dollars! How can you resist such a bargain?

DO THE MATH PEOPLE!

1) What is the 3 bdr condo worth? 19,900 x 52 weeks = $1,000,000 Is what you just toured worth a million dollars? Show me one and I'll buy it before "phase III is completed!" Typically, what I see are units, including furnishings, worth 1/4 of the retail sales price.

2) How about those maintenance fees? $480/year x 52 weeks. Do you really think the maintenance, utitlity, and management expenses for a 1400 sq foot condo, including the common area costs, will be $25,000 per year? I'd like to get that contract. That contract isn't up for competitive bids though, is it? I wonder why?

3) But with vacation pricing soaring, shouldn't we "lock in" our vacation costs at todays rates? Reality check. You can't even "lock in" your lodging(timeshare) costs! Never mind the travel, food, and activities components. Your maintenance and resort fees will go up, often far faster than true inflation rates. Generally, you can rent the same or similar unit for the same price as the yearly maintenance + resort fees, and more often than not, for LESS! Even at the best resorts, such as Marriott's, etc, you can usually rent for LESS than the "time cost of money" + the yearly fees.

4) But we can exchange for ANY of those thousands of other resorts in the book, right? No, YOU CAN'T. You can only exchange for ones only that have similar value, only if they are available(exchanged by home resort "owners"), only if your trade is accepted, only if you select three different resorts or three differnt time slots, only if, only if, only if... READ THE FINE PRINT IN THE RCI AND II BOOKS! And read the reviews. There are loads of less than desireable accomodations in the exchange networks, and guess what? They're the ones that have the highest availability. And amazingly, often there is no availability for exchanges even though the same resort has plenty of vacancies if you are paying cash! Hmmm. And BTW, just in case you're really gullible, you simply aren't going to get a week at a deluxe Marriott in exchange for your "no name" resort. Just ain't gonna happen.

5) A retail example: A typical $15,000 2 bdr moderate value timeshare(not the Marriott, they are twice that price, plus - but the ones marketed to the typical young middle income family.)

Even if financed at 8.5% home equity loan rates your yearly carrying cost(never paying down the principle) is $1275. At the 13 to 15% financing offered by the sales company the cost is $2000/year plus. Add to that a minimum of $400 to $700 in maint and home resort fees + $80 to $160 in RCI and/or II yearly dues + $100 to $225 per exchange/points fees(if you exchange).

The result is that you will spend at MINIMUM $1750 per week for that timeshare that you can easily rent for $700 to $900 - and that is if you DON'T exchange!

Do not be led into the false pretext that if you pay cash or pay off the loan over say 15 years that it will help. I guarantee you that your maint, resort, and exchange fees will outpace inflation rates. Money invested reasonably should yield a 9% return (the historic return rates over the last 75 years for investment portfolios of 60% stocks/40% bonds).

If you pay cash, in 15 years(assuming tax rates of 25% federal and 6% state - you may do even better)at 9% you will have over $40,000. Remember, you can usually rent the same or similar accomodations for the annual maint + resort + exchange fees - and this is a fact you can verify by getting online quotes. For you to break even, that timeshare must appreciate to a secondary market(resale) value of $45,000($28,000 in inflation adjusted 2007 dollars) 15 years from now. It won't be worth that.

If you finance at 8.5% for 15 years, you will make monthly payments of $150 for 180 months. That same $150 per month, invested at 9%, will be worth almost $50,000 ($31,000 in inflation adjusted 2007 dollars)in 15 years. Your timeshare will not.

Apples to apples: You are going to go on vacations however, right? So you are going to spend some of that money - you're not going to sit home and save every penny. So lets assume that you pay slighly more than the timeshare maint + fees each year for rental accomodations. Let's say $1000/week for a nice condo that goes for $15000 retail. You'll save $750 in yearly costs, but won't have the appreciated value of the timeshare to show for it - you're "throwing away those rental dollars", remember?

Let's go worst case and assume that lodging prices increase 6% a year(they will probably be much less than that - around 3%) Over 15 years you will pay out $1000 the first year, $1060, the second, and so on. In 15 years you will have spent $23,275 on lodging. But remember, we we're banking the $750 difference between the cost of renting vs owning each year, as opposed to paying the carrying cost/debt service on $15000 - that we still owe. Well, that $750 (compounded yearly at 9%) is now worth $19,000. A net difference of $34000.

How much is that $15000 timeshare worth? Well, if you bought it retail, it was probably worth half that the minute you signed - $7500. What do you think the chances are of it being worth $34000 on the resale market are after 15 years? It would have to appreciate at a rate of 11% every year. This just ain't gonna happen. If timeshares were appreciating at that rate they would be worth close to their retail value - but the fact is they are not. In the real world, THE MARKET NEVER LIES!

The only way timeshares could ever be a good deal is if lodging prices increase faster than maintenance, resort, special assessment, exchange and all other fees - and even then the small benefit is probably 20 YEARS or more down the road! To win, rental lodging prices would have to go up at over double the rate of maintenance and all other resort and exchange fees. Do you really want to gamble your hard earned money on such an outlandish assumption? Why not just go to Vegas - put it all on red.:rolleyes:

Always remember that in the vacation equation, lodging is only 1/4 to 1/3 of a vacation cost. Even if you could break even on a timeshare(which is doubtful), increases in all other vacation components(including the timeshare fees) will still escalate the costs of future vacations. Now add to this the lack of freedom in vacationing when using a timeshare. With cash, I can go anywhere, anytime, with no restrictions other than my wallet. In the final analysis, you will pay more to own a timeshare than it will ever be worth, both in use and appreciated value.

Cash is king.
Just say "NO" to timeshares!
 
We own two timeshares, and love them. Having said that, unless you have researched and understand what you are getting into, DON'T BUY.

When we were considering a timeshare purchase, I found tug2.net. Please regularly visit this site for a few months before you consider a purchase. Pay the 15 dollars for membership, to get aditional info. It's worth it.

We read and read on TUG, and decided (for us) that a Southern CA beach resort was our best bet. (We live in Northern CA) We then took a quick weekend trip (my mom watched my kids) and went to each resort, taking our videocamera. We videotaped the grounds and even some insides of units (with permission, of course), so we could remember what we saw when we got home, and took copious notes.

We got home and made a decision on where we wanted to purchase. I watched the resale sites, and about 4 or 5 months later, our unit came along. A couple of years later, based on more recent info from TUG, we purchased a second timeshare, in the same location.

I know that sounds a little over the top, but we were making a decision that would impact us for a while into the future.

We have always gotten every exchange we have ever wanted, but I will also say that we haven't usually tried for "difficult" trades. We have tended to go where there are many timeshares, which tend to be popular family destinations (Orlando, Las Vegas, Williamsburg), although we did pull a beautiful reosrt in carlsbad in summer (a much more difficult trade). When our kids get older, we may want to trade for "harder" trades, but we also bought where we could drive to, so they could be used by us, donated to a school auction (we did that once) and so on.

Good Luck.
 
We love our timeshares. We only buy RESALE. Our Fairfield/Wyndham points timeshare was under $3000, including closing costs. With annual maint fees, taxes and RCI membership totaling under $600, we get 1-3 exchange weeks plus a 3-4 night stay at an area FF resort each year. We do pay an extra $160 for each of those exchange weeks but we could opt to stick with FF reservations at any of their resorts for 6-10 nights per year and not pay any added fees. It's really not been overly costly and a complete, deluxe condo for $50-$120/night beats a hotel room.

With our timeshares, our family has stayed primarily in 2BRs - beachfront in FL & SC, in cities like NYC and DC, and at popular family destinations like AZ/Grand Canyon, Williamsburg, Branson and Orlando. I doubt we could have found rentals in all these places to accommodate our family when we could go, at these rates. That's just us - maybe we're in a minority. But we definitely did our research before jumping in. TUG's a great place to start.

We've just purchased another timeshare (fixed week) on RESALE for peanuts to trade, so we can use our FF points for more direct FF reservations. It's a red 2BR mountain week during ski season and it trades through both II & RCI with maint fees under $400 per year. So we'll have the added cost of an annual II membership. I looked for months to find a week that fit my criteria at the ridiculously low price that I was willing to pay. Patience paid off in the hundreds if not thousands.

FL resorts typically carry maint fees in the $700's and up for 2BRs (plus taxes?). That may be perfectly okay if you really LOVE the place and you want to vacation there repeatedly and you find a great deal on a resale. It's great for many people - having a vacation home to return to for annual retreats. But if you want trade around anyway, other regions may have lower salaries, insurance premiums and taxes so their maint fees may be much lower. FL ownership is usually too pricy for people like us, who want to try a lot of different places or who can find cheap owner rentals in FL or "extra vacations" (rentals through RCI).

For us, we wanted to buy close enough to home that we were familiar with the area and it's upkeep. So both our home resorts are in NC. Drive-to locations are also more likely to be used in the "lean" years, rather than getting hooked to an annual overseas or expensive airfare (especially since we usually travel in a group of 5-7).

Just don't jump too quickly when buying timeshare. If you opt to go to a developer's sales tour, research that resort or system (online) before you go so you know the truth about what their weeks/points are worth on the resale market. Remember that the heavy mark-up is what pays for all the freebie gifts to get you there; phone, print & direct-mail advertising; sales commissions, etc. It's what you lose in depreciation, the moment you sign to purchase from the developer. Note that you can see the actual "sold" pricing on eBay whereas resale listings only have the asking prices and most sales are negotiated significantly. If you only pay peanuts (like we do), you only risk peanuts. :)
 
We love our timeshare at Summer Bay (Kissimmee.)
We bought it resale for so cheap that I don't even factor that into the long-term cost. Our annual fee was $800 but that's for a 3BR (sleeps 12.) It's a lock-out which means it's actually a 2br and a 1br that share a common, private foyer with separate doors to each unit. Perfect for bringing my parents or other friends/family members.
Once you get accustomed to the space of a timeshare, you'll never want to stay in a reg. hotel room, esp. if you have kids.
Also since it's a lockout, we can separate those 2 units and either stay 2 weeks (1 week in the 1BR and 2nd week in the 2BR= $400 per week, no tax!) or we can stay in 1 unit and still trade the other unit in.
We traded to Williamsburg in July with no problem. (our 1st trade.) It's a 2br at an RCI Gold Crown and we have an ongoing search for beachfront in Myrtle Beach for next summer. It helps to own at a resort with good trading power.
That's one thing to consider about timeshares. They're great for people who like to plan ahead. If you like to start booking NOW for summer, it probably wouldn't work for you. I was told by an RCI rep that 85% of trades are for the summer months.
I wouldn't mind belonging to RCI even w/o being an owner (I don't think you can though!) We were able to buy an "Extra Vacation" week last year and got a 2Br at Hilton Grand Vac. Club @ Sea World for only $404 for the whole week. Including tax!:thumbsup2
If you can travel last minute,(next 45 days) RCI has extra weeks called "Last Calls" which are something like $129-219/week depending on size.

As far as value goes, here's what we did with our 2006 "week":
1. We split the 2 units, stayed in the 2br at Summer Bay last May and traded the 1 br to RCI for an ongoing search for Myrtle Beach. Annual fee: $750
2. We got my parents an extra 1br unit last May as a Last Call for $150. (they decided to come after we traded in the 1 br!):headache:
3. We decided to cancel the Myrtle Beach search and return to Orlando. Luckily we found a 3 br at Summer Bay for the dates we wanted. (Remember we traded in a 1 br, but got back a 3 br!:thumbsup2 ) Trade fee: $149

Altogether for $1050 we got:
1Br May 06
2br May 06
2br Nov 07
1br Nov 07
My parents paid for their Last Call and my brother paid our trade fee in exchange for staying in the 1br in Nov. so it still cost us $750 in the end but we get 2 weeks in 2 br units, and my parents and bro/sil both get great vacations for only $150/week.

In general, the more you know, the better purchasing decision you'll make. Don't jump into anything but once you're ready to buy, watch the prices for a while before you plunge. Also like dh would say, "they're likes buses... if you miss one, another will come along soon"

We definitely wanted a place where we didn't have to fly to just in case something like 9/11 happens again, or if money is tight, we could always drive if we had to.

Here is an excellent explanation from a website that sells resales. They were featured in Newsweek mag. That's what got me started!
http://www.timesharestogo.com/how-timeshares-work.htm

We didn't buy from them but got ours here:
http://www.holidaygroup.com/

Also there is a good book called Timeshares for Dummies that was very helpful.
There's a lot of info you can get from RCI.com without having to log in as a member. For example, you can search their Resort Directory and read people's reviews about their stay. The page for each resort lists the resort amenities, unit amenities, full vs. partial kitchen, etc. It also tell you any special rating that resort has like Gold Crown, Silver Crown, etc. There's also a tab on RCI's home page called The Answer Place that might help.

Sorry this is so long and I hope I didn't confuse you further!
Good luck!:goodvibes
 
4eyedbuzzard has a great post, explaining why retail purchases are almost never a good idea. When thinking about "what a timeshare costs", here is a much shorter way to figure it.

Take the purchase price. If you invested that in an S&P500 index fund, you'd comfortably make 8% per year after taxes. So, *every year*, your timeshare costs the annual maintenance fees, plus the 8% opportunity cost on the purchase price. Ignore everything else---all the little special freebies that the salesperson will offer. They are near worthless. This is your true cost per week.

So, if you bought, say, a peak season 2BR week at Fairfield Bonnet Creek from the developer, you'd probably pay something like $30,000, and that's if you drove a hard bargain. Annual fees on that purchase are going to be close to $1000 per year. Total "real" cost per year? $1000 + 30,000 * 8%, or $3,400. Note that, if you borrowed the money for your purchase, your real costs are even higher.

You can rent that same week on ebay from an owner for $1400. Maybe $1600 if you're talking Christmas or Easter. An owner "pays" at least twice that much. Every year. This is why cash is usually king.

On the other hand, suppose you bought it resale. Total purchase cost---you could expect to pay about $3,500 on the resale market for the required number of points at an average Fairfield resort. Now your weekly cost is $1,280. You're still not saving a lot, but at least you're doing better than renting.

If you are really working hard, and studying the market, and you are patient, you can do even better. My cost for that week, using my specific FF points purchase, would only be about $1100, including annual maintenance plus opportunity cost of capital. I'm getting the room at about a 20% discount off of rental rates.

But, if I'm willing to stay at a "lesser" resort, I can exchange to it via an exchange company. This is very cost-effective, but it also carries the most risk. For example, I'm staying in a 2BR in the FF Smoky Mountains resort this summer for an effective cost of $300 for the week. I would have paid about $775 using my points to book it directly. Rental costs are probably $900. Now I'm really cooking, at 1/3 of the cash rental costs. But, that "may not be representative of our average customer", as they say on the infomercials. This, too, takes a lot of work, a lot of flexibility, and a little bit of luck. The retail owner is still getting burned. A retail owner would pay $2,500.

Of course, the downside to all this is that I have to do *something* with my timeshare interests every year. Like a hotel room, if no one uses my assets, they are worthless. So, if in some year I can't vacation, I need to rent those assets out to someone else. That, too, *can* be profitable. As we see above, though, it usually isn't. Those Bonnet Creek owners could be losing as much as $2000 for every week they rent. To make it profitable also requires a lot of work---just like the initial purchase.

Bottom line: unless you are comfortable computing the real cost of any timeshare purchase you are considering, AND you know the rental rates for equivalent lodging, AND you know that you would definitely be taking those vacations anyway, DO NOT BUY.
 
Thanks to all of you for your input--very helpful information!! Cost issues aside, which we still have to research and study, can you all recommend any particular resorts or vacation club systems (other than DVC)? How about Fairfield (now Wyndham), Marriott, others? So far, it seems that points based systems will work best for us...
 
Fairfield/Wyndham - very nice resorts, many locations (more in southeast US than elsewhere) and significantly expanding, good flexibility w/points but a complex system, moderately high annual maint fees, mostly RCI only.

Marriott - not a true points program, more for weeks, developer purchases may trade for "frequent flyer" type points, beautiful resorts, very high maint fees, high owner satisfaction (except for maint fees), mostly II only.

Bluegreen - fairly nice resorts with a few special gems (mostly in southeast US), good flexibility w/points but relatively complex, moderate maint fees, mostly RCI only.

WorldMark - nice resorts, many locations (more in western US than elsewhere), owner-friendly points system, moderate maint fees, may trade via II or RCI.

Shell - mostly in western states/Hawaii, don't know much about their points system.

Hilton - beautiful resorts, limited to FL, NV, HI, nice points program, high maint fees, mostly RCI only.

Equivest/Peppertree - average resorts, mostly in southeast US, very high maint fees, difficult points program in limbo since takeover by Cendant.

Hyatt - beautiful resorts, limited locations, high maint fees, mostly II only, high owner satisfaction.

Sunterra - nice resorts, many locations, moderately high maint fees, don't know much about the program, mostly RCI only (I think).

There are other smaller points programs too. It's really important to look for locations that would please you because by reserving within the system, you minimize added exchange fees and the frustration of dealing with RCI/II. Check each of their company web pages for resort listings.

If we were starting all over again, I'd still choose FF/Wyn first because of the resort quality and a good fit with our family's destination preferences. (That's highly individual!) WorldMark would be our 2nd choice - 2nd only because they're more in the western US/Canada and we're in the eastern US, otherwise I may prefer it 1st. Bluegreen and Sunterra would also appeal for their selection of destinations for us, though we really prefer the resort amenities that we've seen at FF/Wyn and WM overall. Hilton and Hyatt are too limited in locations for us. We sold our Marriott week, though it had owner priority in II exchanges because the maint fees were so high for what we got.

For all of these, you would save 50% to 90% by purchasing resale!!! Hands down - the way to go! HTH!!! :)
 
Can anyone recommend some good web sites for buying a resale timeshare? Or for renting one?

Thanks,
Mark
 
Can anyone recommend some good web sites for buying a resale timeshare? Or for renting one?

Thanks,
Mark

Welcome to the Disboards! :)
We bought our resale from Holidaygroup.com. They were great and I would recommend them.
Also Timesharestogo.com was featured in Newsweek mag and their website is very informative.
I don't know of any rental companies since I never rented one but I do see many rentals on Ebay.
You should visit the TUG boards to get ts info, it's similar to this board but all about ts.
http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=914
good luck
 
Can anyone recommend some good web sites for buying a resale timeshare? Or for renting one?

Thanks,
Mark

Go to www.bidshares.com

Easy to use and plenty of rentals and sales.
I own a 1 bdr at summer bay in orlando, giving it cheap since I have two other timeshares. Send me a PM for more info.
Note aside , timeshares are great if you study the system and BUY RESALE.:thumbsup2
 
We've been Hilton Grand Vacation club members for 7 years now, they are a point based system, and we love it.
We never travel in peak season, therefore we are usually able to stretch our yearly points and get 2 weeks from it every year. In the years we don't use the points, we can bank them, but usually rent them out. I always end up getting more than my maintenance fee in rentals, and since I'm a TA it's pretty easy for me to rent my time. We can also borrow the points from the next year if we want.
But like everyone else says, always do your homework and buy resale!
 












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