Time for Disney to do somethimg huge and wow us all!

[King Triton]

How about a brand new Horizons II ride at Epcot.

 

[Kimosabe]

I don't like the idea of Star Wars at Epcot. DHS sure of course but I don't think Star Wars works with the flow there. Each park has their own theme. Disney won't do the two park tie in thing because each park is so different. Universals parks aren't. They just kind of throw in things wherever no overall theme. That's one of the things I love about Disney.

I would tend to agree with this. I can't imagine Disney ever wanting to be accused of copying something so closely to what Universal has already done (especially with train window videos, etc.), but also just not quite sure where SW would fit within Epcot. It's definitely not a World Showcase fit, and we have to remember that the stories in SW happened "a long time ago..." While it certainly seems futuristic to us, they're not going to go off-theme. Having said that, I could definitely see some Tron stuff in Future World ("End of Line" nightclub/restaurant and some sort of attraction that takes us, as the riders, into a computer to interact with "programs", lightcycles, identity disc games, etc.). However, I fully recognize that the Tron brand would have to do a little better in a third movie (if that ever happens) before they spend any theme park dollars on it...but the concept of the ride could work in FW with or without the brand attached to it (even if obvious of its origin).

But with that said, an explosion of SW in DHS could easily be the answer to Potter, if and when Disney feels like it needs to answer that call. Throw in some more Pixar and DHS becomes a money factory.

 

[rteetz]

I would tend to agree with this. I can't imagine Disney ever wanting to be accused of copying something so closely to what Universal has already done (especially with train window videos, etc.), but also just not quite sure where SW would fit within Epcot. It's definitely not a World Showcase fit, and we have to remember that the stories in SW happened "a long time ago..." While it certainly seems futuristic to us, they're not going to go off-theme. Having said that, I could definitely see some Tron stuff in Future World ("End of Line" nightclub/restaurant and some sort of attraction that takes us, as the riders, into a computer to interact with "programs", lightcycles, identity disc games, etc.). However, I fully recognize that the Tron brand would have to do a little better in a third movie (if that ever happens) before they spend any theme park dollars on it...but the concept of the ride could work in FW with or without the brand attached to it (even if obvious of its origin). But with that said, an explosion of SW in DHS could easily be the answer to Potter, if and when Disney feels like it needs to answer that call. Throw in some more Pixar and DHS becomes a money factory.

Couldn't agree more. Star Wars right now is the only thing that could do better than potter. I hope Disney taking their time means bit things are coming.

 

[Joben]

With a hopper you can enter an area and hop on the Star Wars coaster or Millenium Falcon attraction-maybe its a train where the windows change from video screens of certain Star Wars scenes then back to windows when going through actual scenes built along the way.

So I have been thinking about this for some time. When I heard about the train connecting the two Potter lands I thought they should try and do it for HS and Star Wars. There is the land across the highway from HS that is available to build on but there is a big highway in the way. If they put in a transportation system like the potter train with screens to carry you under or over the highway. (I really see no problem ripping off the ideas of Uni) they could theme it to be any number of transportation scenes from the movies.
You can have the Cantina in HS. I've heard about the possibility of a "Lucas Land" in HS so this would be good to incorporate into it with out Star Wars taking over HS. once across the highway you can have a dedicated Star Wars Land.
That might be too much Star Wars for Disney, but they could make the entry to the new land something around Darth Vader and make the rest of the Land a villains area, I think I've heard of rumors of a Dark Kingdom swirling about. The point is that there is not really much more land that Disney can still build on(yes I know they have a lot of acreage left, but a lot of it is not suitable for building and they have an obligation to leave 1/3 to conservation) Any expansion left is only going to go into existing lands and they will only get denser. In order to build on lands like the little piece next to HS they are going to have to get a little imaginative. Luckily they are good at that. Personally I am all for a Star Wars Land, but I can see how people might think it is too much.

 

[rteetz]

Why would you put a train? Star Wars doesn't have any trains? Disney won't do something like this nice idea but ain't gonna happen. A train just wouldn't make sense Star Wars it's all in space and in the past. Star Wars was major movie hit so it belongs in the park about movies DHS. Epcot needs something different than Star Wars.

 

[skier_pete]

Why would you put a train? Star Wars doesn't have any trains? Disney won't do something like this nice idea but ain't gonna happen. A train just wouldn't make sense Star Wars it's all in space and in the past. Star Wars was major movie hit so it belongs in the park about movies DHS. Epcot needs something different than Star Wars.

Yeah, I actually generally hate this idea.

I am not sure how the Hogwarts train is going to work, but if Universal is going to force people to buy a park-hopper ticket in order to ride it I will find that to be the most disgusting money-grubbing move by a theme park I've ever seen, and Disney's done some pretty awful stuff IMO. Even if they don't FORCE people to buy hopper's to ride it. (Let you just ride round trip perhaps.) I still find the installation of this ride as a method to essentially extort families to buy multi-park passes a bit of a scum-bag move, even if at the same time admiring the genius of it. I would hope Disney would not sink so low.

 

[disneymac000]

Yeah, I actually generally hate this idea.

I am not sure how the Hogwarts train is going to work, but if Universal is going to force people to buy a park-hopper ticket in order to ride it I will find that to be the most disgusting money-grubbing move by a theme park I've ever seen, and Disney's done some pretty awful stuff IMO. Even if they don't FORCE people to buy hopper's to ride it. (Let you just ride round trip perhaps.) I still find the installation of this ride as a method to essentially extort families to buy multi-park passes a bit of a scum-bag move, even if at the same time admiring the genius of it. I would hope Disney would not sink so low.

Its not different than the monorail at DLR...to be able to ride it, you have to ride a valid park ticket even though it has a downtown disney stop. And the reason it can not let people ride roundtrip is due to ride capacity hints why they are limiting one scheduled ride per peak season with first time having priority and then if you want to ride again, you have to ride standby. Its right there if you go reach why they did it the way they did.

 

[rteetz]

Yeah, I actually generally hate this idea. I am not sure how the Hogwarts train is going to work, but if Universal is going to force people to buy a park-hopper ticket in order to ride it I will find that to be the most disgusting money-grubbing move by a theme park I've ever seen, and Disney's done some pretty awful stuff IMO. Even if they don't FORCE people to buy hopper's to ride it. (Let you just ride round trip perhaps.) I still find the installation of this ride as a method to essentially extort families to buy multi-park passes a bit of a scum-bag move, even if at the same time admiring the genius of it. I would hope Disney would not sink so low.

I agree but I was going for more of theming part a train makes absolutely zero sense with Star Wars it doesn't got what so ever. I think DHS will get Star Wars and that's the only park no reason to put it in two. Disney also has that theming aspect to it where putting two locations would not make sense. Epcot park of the world and the future, DHS park of Hollywood and the movies. Star Wars was a huge movie hit. Star tours already has a presence in DHS. Therefore Star Wars should go to DHS.

 

[Joben]

I mentioned train to reference the the Universal idea of transporting people from one area to another. I understand that the Star Wars movies don't use trains. My idea was just to have some sort of transportation with video screens projecting transportation scenes. Maybe it is going through space from Mos Eisley on the millennium falcon to where ever. Maybe it is transporting through the seas of Naboo. Maybe it is multiple themes but all relating to star wars land.
Pete I'm with you that the Hogwarts Train is incredibly greedy way to force people to spend more money on park hoppers. However it is a financially genius idea for a company to increase revenue for little cost. And when it comes down to brass tacks (how old am I?) Disney is a company that needs to generate revenue smartly, and, unfortunately this is one. Personally I fork over the dough for park hoppers regardless, I like the freedom, but no one is saying that this has to be considered another park, maybe it's a two part park like Epcot is.
I agree that Star Wars has no business in Epcot.
The point of this thread was that WDW needed to do something BIG to wow us.
We are pretty sure Star Wars is going to be expanded in HS. If they build across the highway there would be no impact on park operations in HS. I'm kind of on the fence about dedicated Star Wars land in HS. I like the idea of a Lucas land in HS better and a Villains land across the highway.

 

[rteetz]

I mentioned train to reference the the Universal idea of transporting people from one area to another. I understand that the Star Wars movies don't use trains. My idea was just to have some sort of transportation with video screens projecting transportation scenes. Maybe it is going through space from Mos Eisley on the millennium falcon to where ever. Maybe it is transporting through the seas of Naboo. Maybe it is multiple themes but all relating to star wars land. Pete I'm with you that the Hogwarts Train is incredibly greedy way to force people to spend more money on park hoppers. However it is a financially genius idea for a company to increase revenue for little cost. And when it comes down to brass tacks (how old am I?) Disney is a company that needs to generate revenue smartly, and, unfortunately this is one. Personally I fork over the dough for park hoppers regardless, I like the freedom, but no one is saying that this has to be considered another park, maybe it's a two part park like Epcot is. I agree that Star Wars has no business in Epcot. The point of this thread was that WDW needed to do something BIG to wow us. We are pretty sure Star Wars is going to be expanded in HS. If they build across the highway there would be no impact on park operations in HS. I'm kind of on the fence about dedicated Star Wars land in HS. I like the idea of a Lucas land in HS better and a Villains land across the highway.

So your suggesting a villains land in Epcot? That wouldn't work either. Disney doesn't need to copy universal. They don't need a train with screens or whatever. Disney just needs to fix, improve, and expand on their existing parks. Don't tie them together that ruins the themes and back stories. I also would like some more Indiana jones as well, but I thinks tar wars has to be the biggest expansion.

 

[skier_pete]

Its not different than the monorail at DLR...to be able to ride it, you have to ride a valid park ticket even though it has a downtown disney stop. And the reason it can not let people ride roundtrip is due to ride capacity hints why they are limiting one scheduled ride per peak season with first time having priority and then if you want to ride again, you have to ride standby. Its right there if you go reach why they did it the way they did.

Disagree. The monorail at DLR doesn't claim to be transport. It is a "ride", and can only be ridden with park admission. It just happens that one of it's entrances outside the main theme park.

A ride that went between two theme parks that would require hoppers would essentially be a ride that would cost $60 to ride that single ride (if you are the type not inclined to normally purchase hoppers, as our family is).

 

[Joben]

no nothing about Epcot. I'm not talking about Epcot in any way except to say I'm not talking about Epcot. I'm talking about building on the smallish piece of land across the highway from HS.

http://www.rcid.org/Portals/0/Documents/Comprehensive_Plan/2020_Comprehensive_Plan.pdf

In the Reedy Creek improvement plan/2020 they give a map of land that is available to build on, and just how much land is still available (tried to copy a picture of the map but I'm not that good)
Figure 2-5: Composite Suitability Ratings
so west of world drive and south of buena vista drive is a section of land that is considered suitable to build on

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg255/docpaddock/MGMAiriel2.jpg
That should be a Google image of HS with the land shown
in the 2020 plan they talk about something like 600 acres of land that is still available to develop. I believe this is one of the larger pieces. Most of the land is smaller areas spread out around the property.
My idea was to link the two areas (the undeveloped land and HS)with a ride/transport system.
Instead of closing down part of HS to build a Star Wars (expansion) land for the extremely long time it takes Disney to build. They could build on the undeveloped land, and refurbish/change the rides that people have been talking about changing: LMA, Back lot tours ect.
I am all in favor of a star wars land but after thinking about it I like the idea of a lucas land in that back area and a villains land across the road