Tiger Woods auto accident today

[Marrila]

I don't think 50 is considered a kid. I would trade your "kids" to "celebrities".

And yes, after a couple of other incidents I can't believe he hasn't figured out to NOT being in the driver's seat.

Agree, he in no way is a "kid." Due to his age he qualifies for the Senior (old geezers) Golf Tour.
He doesn't seem to care about endangering himself. But being wealthy doesn't give him the right to put others in danger.
Let's hope his license is revoked for at least a year.

He declined the urinalysis for a reason. Just speculating, but lots of doctors, lots of surgeries can mean multiple pain and other pill prescriptions.

If he wants to be there for his children in the coming years he likely needs rehab and long term support.

 

[bcla]

His refusal to submit to a urinalysis is legally considered the equivalent of a positive test result.

Not exactly. The reporting is that It’s considered a misdemeanor with an automatic one year suspension of license and even jail time. But the consequences for a positive drug test could include a felony if it’s something like an illegal hard drug (like heroin).

https://www.leg.state.fl.us/statute...te&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.1932.html

 

[Marrila]

Not exactly. The reporting is that It’s considered a misdemeanor with an automatic one year suspension of license and even jail time. But the consequences for a positive drug test could include a felony if it’s something like an illegal hard drug (like heroin).

https://www.leg.state.fl.us/statute...te&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.1932.html

Well yes, your thoughts are why he said no. But most states don't let the refusal be just fine. That would be stupid.

He didn't have an actual drug test. He refused to submit to urinalysis.

His refusal is considered an equivalent, that is not identical to an actual test result. And it is a misdemeanor.

 

[bcla]

Well yes, your thoughts are why he said no. But most states don't let the refusal be just fine. That would be stupid.

He didn't have an actual drug test. He refused to submit to urinalysis.

His refusal is considered an equivalent, that is not identical to an actual test result. And it is a misdemeanor.

Sure. But again, the consequences for a positive test with certain illegal drugs could be extremely severe.

It was probably a bit different when most states only tested for alcohol. When I studied for my driver’s test decades ago, the driver being asked to submit a sample had a choice and there was legally no difference as long as a urine, blood, or breath sample was provided.

I’m sure an attorney could slice and dice the differences. But certainly Woods refusing was likely deliberate. I’d be surprised if he didn’t have an attorney advise him, after he’d previously been tested positive with all manner of substances including antidepressants, sedatives, THC, etc.

 

[Marrila]

Sure. But again, the consequences for a positive test with certain illegal drugs could be extremely severe.

It was probably a bit different when most states only tested for alcohol. When I studied for my driver’s test decades ago, the driver being asked to submit a sample had a choice and there was legally no difference as long as a urine, blood, or breath sample was provided.

I’m sure an attorney could slice and dice the differences. But certainly Woods refusing was likely deliberate. I’d be surprised if he didn’t have an attorney advise him, after he’d previously been tested positive with all manner of substances including antidepressants, sedatives, THC, etc.

Just my opinion, but I bet plenty of folks think likewise:
He didn't need an attorney to immediately advise him yesterday. He knows how the DUI game is played. He knew exactly what he had (or hadn't) used or taken.
Breathalyzer, sure, happy to.
Urinalysis? Gonna nope that.
Of course his refusal was deliberate.

 

[bcla]

Just my opinion, but I bet plenty of folks think likewise:
He didn't need an attorney to immediately advise him yesterday. He knows how the DUI game is played. He knew exactly what he had (or hadn't) used or taken.
Breathalyzer, sure, happy to.
Urinalysis? Gonna nope that.
Of course his refusal was deliberate.

Some speculation is that he might be worried about a urine test possibly detecting performance enhancers that would affect his eligibility to compete. He’s been trying to recover from all matter of injuries. Granted I don’t see that being part of the a urine test for intoxicants, but any results would be a public record in Florida.

 

[irlandaise]

Has he been convicted of DUI?

Just this one… but the accidents he’s had. It’s habitual. People these days get away with so much.

You seem to be confused about the difference between the words "charged" and "convicted."

 

[Imzadi]

He declined the urinalysis for a reason. Just speculating, but lots of doctors, lots of surgeries can mean multiple pain and other pill prescriptions.

If he wants to be there for his children in the coming years he likely needs rehab and long term support.

Yes, this is the part others aren't mentioning. It's not like he's a typical street junkie who chose to take his first drugs. I think he previously admitted he's been addicted to pain meds due to all his surgeries and injuries. Plus, he's got an addictive personality since he also previously admitted he's an alcoholic. It's unfortunate that some of the pain meds given nowadays can make one addicted. And not a lot of rehab seems to "stick" long term. Although, at least he wasn't drinking too.

He probably just gets up in the morning and pops a bunch of pain pills the way others have morning coffee. By the time he got into a car, he didn't know how inebriated he was. It's not like drinking, where there is a short window when one drinks and then drives. He probably lives in a constant state of fuzziness.

I am NOT saying that is an excuse to get into a car and drive while impaired. (Watch, someone will say, that I'm saying he has a reason to be excused because they just have to get another post in with their moral outrage. )

What I am saying is that this is a shame, because it's likely he can end up the way Michael Jackson and Prince did, having gotten addicted to drugs through no original fault of their own. Then later having the means to get doctors to prescribe more and more drugs until a combo kills them.

In Tiger's case, he has actually been given two chances where he survived crashes. Even if he's in some physical rehab now preparing for the Masters, which means he is constantly taking a certain amount of correctly prescribed meds, he has GOT to also be in some rehab program to stop himself from over-medicating himself and then getting into a car where he can unfortunately kill someone else while he's killing himself. He also has to be humble enough to admit he just has to stop driving. Especially as he doesn't seem to realize when he's too impaired. He can certainly afford to have a chauffeur on call, with him 24 hours, the same way some celebs need to have bodyguards with them round the clock when they go out. There is no excuse not to have one now.