Thunderstorm yesterday at WDW and the mahem that insued

The last three days the afternoon rains have been back. For a week or so there was a weird pressure thing and it wasn't raining in the afternoons. It is nice because it is so hot and it is cooling it down. We went to the MK after the rains on Wed. and had a great time, it was very nice and not very crowded. It was a pretty good storm that day though, we didn't head out until after.
 
I have lived in Florida for 18 years, it can rain for a lot longer then 30 min. I would stay put in a storm at Disney or any other location I got caught in.
 
Just a tip -- for the next big storm, if you need to leave the park and want to get out of the sotrm, take the first bus to a monorail resort if your bus isn't around.

When it stops raining - taake the monorail back to the MK and back to your bus-- yes a pain, but it will keep you out of some severe storms.
 
We've never seen a storm in which the downpour lasted more than about 30 minutes, so an hour seems like a long time.

The last time we were at WDW (April 2009) we were pretty much confined to our room for the morning/early afternoon due to a bad storm. The rain was so heavy, nearby buildings "disappeared". We did see a few WDW buses running around SSR (our resort), but not too many, and there certainly weren't any folks out waiting to catch a bus to anywhere in that weather! :laughing:

Obviously if she was at TTC and on a bus to SSR! A bus to the Poly would have dropped her walking distance to the TTC.

Resort buses for MK actually leave from there, not the TTC. ;)
 

We were caught in a huge rainstorm back in 1993 (teeming rain, floods, rain coming in around the rubber sealing on the bus doors), but no thunder/lightning. It was in early May. The bus driver kept driving but I have no idea how he saw anything in front of him. :eek: Afterwards that evening I believe the news cast mentioned it had rained about 2 inches in a short period of time. Once we got to DTD, we were stuck (and drenched) @The Disney Store for a good while along with A LOT of other folks.

It happens; sometimes without much warning. We always carry our ponchos with us now (although they admittedly would probably not have provided much protection during that storm :rolleyes:.)...I was extremely glad we were staying at OKW and had a dryer to use! ;)
 
Yesterday afternoon we were at MK getting the ds a hair cut, ready to leave.. well a storm rolled in like I haven't seen down here before (maybe I've just had my eyes closed)... the park began clearing and we stayed in the barber shop for about an hour before deciding to get out of dodge.

As we made our way (running like heck from one covering to another, hoping like heck the lightening wouldn't get us :lmao:) we heard they stopped both the tram and the boats.. the only thing getting out was the buses..

OMG was that an experience. First SSR bus service is always something you are going to wait for.. anyhow.. we get in the line and watch buses come and go to both sides of us.. at least 4x for other places.. :eek: Rain still hadn't let up.. and goose bumps were on the rise.. so a bus finally arrives and everyone piles in (wasn't as pretty as that sounds, because people were jumping line and people were already upset.. no magic here).. so here is my problem..>>>> 1/2 the people on the bus were not going to SSR.. but were trying to figure a way to get back to the ticket center.. so all that fuss and the bus being standing room only.. 1/2 were discussing where to get off and back on.. to get back to their car.

I have to say that one, I think Disney should have provided a better way for people not on site to get to their vehicles, but there were plenty of people left standing.. my thought is if they were staying at SSR, wouldn't they be peeved they were not allowed on because of someone who wasn't even staying here?? and beyond that.. in that kinds of storm, why weren't their buses out there getting people to where they want to be..:confused:

Anyway woke to bright blue skies and that all behind us.. just putting it out there for anyone who gets stuck in the same situation.. perhaps stay at the park, shop and wait it out?

Why would people board a SSR bus to get to their cars, unless they were parked at DtD to avoid the parking fees? This is a reason why I think DtD need to institute paid parking similar to the parks, with only 2 or 3 hours free (longer with a valildated movie pass, Cirque or $25 in DtD purchase receipts). Also free for onsite and AP holders, like the parks.

I understand the boats and monorails not running to the TTC because of lightning, but surely they had a shuttle bus for that as a back-up plan.

Please write to Member Satisfaction and tell them of your experience, unless enough people complain, it will not chage.

Agreed that Disney should have had busses to the TTC in cases like this. CMs out front directing traffic (yelling) to those leaving that they have a Bus and it is THIS way.

Other than that, location location location. We haven't stayed at SSR or OKW yet. We look very much forward to it but plan to have proper transportation expectations. I woudn't have had expectations for this though but the expectations would be lower than say BLT or VWL.

Obviously if she was at TTC and on a bus to SSR! A bus to the Poly would have dropped her walking distance to the TTC.

I woudl guess you are right, that WDW just doesn't have the extra resources to add signigicantly to the bus routes on short notice. While a storm lasting an hour and a half seems like a long time (and feels like it if you are wet and wanting to get home), it is no time at all if you need to call in off duty employees to drive the buses. -- Suzanne



As a former bus driver, and as someone that still frequents Disney and still has a lot fo friends in DTransport,let me see if I can shed some light on what goes on and what used to go on.

In years past, prior to the new MAgic On Demad System, each park, had a certain number of busses assigned to it with a coordinator, to handle the guest flow for that particular day.Certain parks at night, such as the MK and Epcot, would get extra busses, from AK and MGM(At the time it was still MGM)to handle the rush after the firworks etc.When something like yesterday happens, and tranportation shuts down, say the boats for arguments sake, its for the SAFETY of the guests as well as the cast members. Putting a CM at the end of a line saying this is this way and that is shut down, is an unsafe practice.

With the new Magic on Demand, there is a reduced number of busses available, and in situations like yesterday when all of transportation shuts down except for the busses, the extra busses and more importantly the drivers are not available.Its one of the issues with this new system.There is no safety factor anymore.

Im fairly certain there is no mk bus lead anymore, though Id have to ask. I havent thought about it until now. I know the TTC lead is gone.

When you have a mass exodus like yesterday, and no signs, no cm,and really no common sense from a lot of Disney guests lately, things go bad fast.All they know is that a bus is supposed to go to TTC. They dont stop and read the Marguee on the bus,or the sings over the bus that say where its going.So, instead of asking where do we go, or more importantly is a situation like that staying put where its safe and dry, they run and get on the first bus they see. The Mouse House busses as they were called, that run to TTC from the MK in certain circumstances, were on the South Loop.If Im not mistaken the SSR bus is on the North.

To effectivley pick up the slack from the monorails and boats, youd need at least 6-7 busses for the monorail resort loops,that loop alone is 45 minutes,
plus at least another 10 to move the people going strictly to the TTC.Thats 17 busses that are not available unless the pull them from somewhere else on property.Id be willing to bet Epcot had some similar issues with boats to the Epcot resorts and DHS.And from DHS.





Just a tip -- for the next big storm, if you need to leave the park and want to get out of the sotrm, take the first bus to a monorail resort if your bus isn't around.

When it stops raining - taake the monorail back to the MK and back to your bus-- yes a pain, but it will keep you out of some severe storms.


Unless its set up inadvance, there are no busses from the MK to the monorail resorts. There has been only 2 times thatI can think of in the 8 years I worked in Disney Busses, that we had to run busses for the Resorts.1 time was for a special event that I was a lead for that required the shutdown of the entire monorail system for an hour, and when there was serious breakdown on the resort monorail side that required extended waits for maintance to clear the train from the track.That was only 30 minutes or so.By the time we got the busses up, they called me to call the busses back as the monorail came back up, and the boats were holding there own.

This is my own personal advice regarding rain and storms on Disney.When it rains, or storms, and occasionally it will be for longer than an hour,stay inside.The bldgs are all lightining protected, and people arent.It isnt worth the risk to run in the rain and lightning.As soon as the rain leaves, most others will leave also.Alot of rides will be come walkons.
 
:thumbsup2 One of my favorite memories of WDW is the one time DH and I were sitting on metal benches for Fantasmic when a lightening thunderstorm blew up. DH grew very concerned about our chances sitting on metal. We left before the show was cancelled and made it to the Pop bus just before the mass exodus. A man walked up to the lead bus guy (with the walkie talkie) and strated screaming at him to ge the buses rolling--it was quite a scene. My hero the bus guy walked up to the gentleman (who was about a foot taller than him) pointed the walkie at the guys chest and stated in a nice authoratative voice " Sir, I am fixin to have to get 20,000 people out of this park in about 15 minutes, if you do not step back in line I will not be able to put you and your family safely on the next bus!" Mean Guy did just as he was told.....it was awesome....score one for Transportation Man. :cheer2:


Even DH was impressed.
 
We had a somewhat similar situation as well. We were parked @ Poly (for breakfast) and took the monorail into MK. We went to board the monorail and all monorails were stopped, so they told us to take the boat...fine. We went to the boat and waited for an unusually long time (about 40 minutes). When the boat docked, the captain said that the Poly dock was closed and that the boat only goes to GF. Mind you it was about 95 degrees with ridiculously high humidity, but we really had no other choice since the bus lines were overflowing. The captain then told us to ride the monorail, we are all like...uh, they're down. There was really nothing he could do, but was rather flippant in his response. Anyway, we had no choice. Worst of all, some of the people that waited with us for 40+ minutes didn't even get on the boat...had to wait for the next one...luckily, we just made it on.

By the time we got to GF, after walking the park and monorail ramps twice, we were all very tired. Then we had to walk from GF to Poly which was about 15 minutes at 4:00 on a very hot and humid day. I was not too happy, but things like this do happen I guess.
 
We had a somewhat similar situation as well. We were parked @ Poly (for breakfast) and took the monorail into MK. We went to board the monorail and all monorails were stopped, so they told us to take the boat...fine. We went to the boat and waited for an unusually long time (about 40 minutes). When the boat docked, the captain said that the Poly dock was closed and that the boat only goes to GF. Mind you it was about 95 degrees with ridiculously high humidity, but we really had no other choice since the bus lines were overflowing. The captain then told us to ride the monorail, we are all like...uh, they're down. There was really nothing he could do, but was rather flippant in his response. Anyway, we had no choice. Worst of all, some of the people that waited with us for 40+ minutes didn't even get on the boat...had to wait for the next one...luckily, we just made it on.

By the time we got to GF, after walking the park and monorail ramps twice, we were all very tired. Then we had to walk from GF to Poly which was about 15 minutes at 4:00 on a very hot and humid day. I was not too happy, but things like this do happen I guess.

Must have been karma for parking @ the Poly and going to the Magic Kingdom.
 
How does it benefit the DtD businesses to have their parking filled up by people who do not spend money there, but only use it to avoid paying for theme park parking? And how does it benefit Disney to lose the parking fees paid at the parks? If only 100 cars per day park at DtD to avoid the fee, that is $1,400 per day. I suspect the total actually is much higher. It certainly doesn't benefit the resort guests who share busses with those that want to avoid parking fees.

Judging from the time the cars arrive, and in what sectors of parking fill up first at DTD, I suspect your estimate of people doing this is too high. Unless, of course, the people that do this are a late arriving crowd. Regardless, even 100 parking spaces is pretty much nothing compared to the amount of parking spaces at DTD. Parking lots at DTD would be full even without the people that do this.

BTW, drive around for a little bit and you will get a space at DTD. There is a steady stream of people leaving, just as there is a steady stream of people coming in.

The administrative costs and traffic headaches for doing what you ask (free with validation) are enough to ensure it would never happen.
 
I can only wonder what happened to BCV (and BWV, Swan, Dolphin) guests at Studios during this storm.

I can tell you what happened to US during one, August a few years ago. BAD storm rolled in, we were at the Studios. Had PS for dinner that night at Cape May. We waited awhile, but this was a bad one, and not a quick one. It was hot, so we figured what the heck. DH went ahead with son in wheelchair and 2 older boys, I lingered in the shops with DD for 15 minutes. The boys and DH got on the last boat to leave the studios. They got stuck under one of the bridges, as the captain waited for clearance to move on. They eventually got back to the hotel, not TOO bad. My daughter and I were behind them, and we got to the dock and it was deserted. We waited while, it was still pouring, then headed back to park guest services. We asked security guards how to get back to BCV, they said all the boats were cancelled. We went to Guest services, they had no idea what was going on. They said, try taking a CAB. I was like, "WHAT?" ;thinking I am at a Deluxe Hotel....... Meanwhile, it was a nightmare, we were wandering around asking for help, eventually there was a pack of us from the Epcot hotel area. FINALLY a security guard said, go to the AK (park) bus stop, and a bus arrived. But this went on for at least an hour. My question was, once you stop the boats, you must add a bus. Not if it is for a short time of course, but there should be a PLAN in place. We complained, never heard anything from WDW. Now we DRIVE to Studios if at all possible, I cannot risk that happening again.
 
That situation would have been bad no matter what resort or location. BLT is monorail or walk so with with the monorail closed it would be walk or wait for a bus reassignment

last week we went to SWW and there is no bus to BCV or BWV. It is boat or walk. It was too hot to walk so we waited for the boat. The boat line was really long and they maintain the schedule no matter how many r waiting. We had to wait for the 2 nd boat and many behind us waited for 3 rd boat. They run every 30 minutes and I know we waited 45 minutes for the boat
 
I can only wonder what happened to BCV (and BWV, Swan, Dolphin) guests at Studios during this storm.

I can tell you what happened to US during one, August a few years ago. BAD storm rolled in, we were at the Studios. Had PS for dinner that night at Cape May. We waited awhile, but this was a bad one, and not a quick one. It was hot, so we figured what the heck. DH went ahead with son in wheelchair and 2 older boys, I lingered in the shops with DD for 15 minutes. The boys and DH got on the last boat to leave the studios. They got stuck under one of the bridges, as the captain waited for clearance to move on. They eventually got back to the hotel, not TOO bad. My daughter and I were behind them, and we got to the dock and it was deserted. We waited while, it was still pouring, then headed back to park guest services. We asked security guards how to get back to BCV, they said all the boats were cancelled. We went to Guest services, they had no idea what was going on. They said, try taking a CAB. I was like, "WHAT?" ;thinking I am at a Deluxe Hotel....... Meanwhile, it was a nightmare, we were wandering around asking for help, eventually there was a pack of us from the Epcot hotel area. FINALLY a security guard said, go to the AK (park) bus stop, and a bus arrived. But this went on for at least an hour. My question was, once you stop the boats, you must add a bus. Not if it is for a short time of course, but there should be a PLAN in place. We complained, never heard anything from WDW. Now we DRIVE to Studios if at all possible, I cannot risk that happening again.

I'm surprised to read this. We were at DHS one January when winds picked up and boats were cancelled. Busses were added then and there.
 
Judging from the time the cars arrive, and in what sectors of parking fill up first at DTD, I suspect your estimate of people doing this is too high. Unless, of course, the people that do this are a late arriving crowd. Regardless, even 100 parking spaces is pretty much nothing compared to the amount of parking spaces at DTD. Parking lots at DTD would be full even without the people that do this.

BTW, drive around for a little bit and you will get a space at DTD. There is a steady stream of people leaving, just as there is a steady stream of people coming in.

The administrative costs and traffic headaches for doing what you ask (free with validation) are enough to ensure it would never happen.

Define a "few minutes" was 30 minutes enough? Sorry, but the lot has a LOT of cars in it before noon as well, many, many more than 100, and yet there are not enough people at DtD at that time to fill up those cars, unless you believe each car carries only one person. I used that as a way to justify the cost of building/staffing a booths. Either way, we've seen repeated reports of full SSR busses with a high percentage of those riders going to DtD, so there is a fairly obvious problem that needs to be corrected.
 
Couple of things: Try finding a handicapped parking spot with room for a lift at DTD- at ANY time! And no, I don't want to drive around for 30 minutes to find that spot either, wasting my time. I live in Orlando and rarely go to DTD for this reason. Indeed they need to institute a parking fee at DTD without a validated receipt. Of course, then people will drive to the resorts and park for free-never underestimate guests who will do anything to steal and cheat. And yes, that's what it is. Also, as to people taking busses who aren't staying at a resort- happens all the time. What about guests who are taking busses to the Epcot resorts so they can dine or shop? When my kids were younger and brought friends, we often took a bus over to a value resort to have a whole pizza for lunch, but we weren't staying there. Most people taking the busses who are not resort guests are spending money at that resort. This situation is different of course, but there is no signage and no rule about not taking a resort bus if you're not a resort guest. In the past, that signage was present ( present your room keys ) but never enforced.---Kathy
 
Couple of things: Try finding a handicapped parking spot with room for a lift at DTD- at ANY time! And no, I don't want to drive around for 30 minutes to find that spot either, wasting my time. I live in Orlando and rarely go to DTD for this reason. Indeed they need to institute a parking fee at DTD without a validated receipt. Of course, then people will drive to the resorts and park for free-never underestimate guests who will do anything to steal and cheat. And yes, that's what it is. Also, as to people taking busses who aren't staying at a resort- happens all the time. What about guests who are taking busses to the Epcot resorts so they can dine or shop? When my kids were younger and brought friends, we often took a bus over to a value resort to have a whole pizza for lunch, but we weren't staying there. Most people taking the busses who are not resort guests are spending money at that resort. This situation is different of course, but there is no signage and no rule about not taking a resort bus if you're not a resort guest. In the past, that signage was present ( present your room keys ) but never enforced.---Kathy

But dining and shopping at the resort is one thing. Busses don't "fill up" with people that are resort hopping to dine and shop. In fact, most resort hoppers are likely to drive, as many will have the TiW card for complementary valet. Parking at DtD and using SSR busses to avoid parking fees is another problem completely.
 
I've been stuck in many thunderstorms while at the parks during the summer months. They do stop the monorails and boats quite often during the July and August daily storms. Fortunately, most don't last more than 15-30 min. However, some can last for more than an hour which cause many stuck and unhappy guests who are scrambling to leave the parks. I have seen extra buses arrive during heavy storms. However, there is no way to accommodate all of the guest traffic. Unless we really need to get somewhere else, we've learned to put on the ponchos for heavy rain without lightening or find an indoor spot (restaurant or shops) to wait out the storm when there is heavy lightening and thunder. Epcot and MK have more indoor places to go in storms vs. AK or DS. You can go from shop to shop for a block at a time at MK and DS without getting out in the storm. The indoor exhibits at Epcot also provide a nice way to hang out indoors.
 
The administrative costs and traffic headaches for doing what you ask (free with validation) are enough to ensure it would never happen.

Nobody asking for a parking fee to be instituted at DTD, validation or not, has yet been able to explain how it could work on a practical level. Every car that leaves has to pay their ticket? There is no way the parking lot could handle the backup. Everyone coming in has to get a ticket? Traffic would be backed up for miles. No way this is happening.
 
Why would people board a SSR bus to get to their cars, unless they were parked at DtD to avoid the parking fees? This is a reason why I think DtD need to institute paid parking similar to the parks, with only 2 or 3 hours free (longer with a valildated movie pass, Cirque or $25 in DtD purchase receipts). Also free for onsite and AP holders, like the parks.

I understand the boats and monorails not running to the TTC because of lightning, but surely they had a shuttle bus for that as a back-up plan.

Please write to Member Satisfaction and tell them of your experience, unless enough people complain, it will not chage.

DtD here in California does exactly what you are recommending. I think they have no choice here though, since parking for DtD is actually closer to the main gates than parking for the parks and resorts and people would fill up (and occupy until park closing) those prime parking spots in a heart beat.
 



















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