Thoughts on a good home printer

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I have HAD it with my printer! It hasnt cooperated since we bought 2 years ago! I would like input on a good printer that prints docs and photos.
Not sure I want a laser UNLESS that is really good option.

Squid
 
What do you have now? Why exactly don't you like it? What are your expectaions? Do you want a dedicated photo printer or are you desiring a printer to do double duty with both office work and print professional quality photographs, like you said? IF so, you've established a barrier against the best photo printers right to begin with. The best photo printers are photo printers and photo printers only. Anything that claims to serve double-duty compromises both tasks. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to sacrifice in quality and what your standards are.

One of my Epson Professional printers cost almost $3000. I get $3000 results from it. My 44" plotter is the same deal, just bigger. I'm not saying you need a $3000 photo printer. I'm just making a grander point and that is this...

There are no great $100 photo printers, IMO. What does matter is that we establish a reasonable point of reference and try to find you the best value for your budget and expectations. We can't do either unless we know what they are.

What kind of camera are the prints coming from? Do you shoot high-res on it or low res? What kind of resolution does it have (it matters as you increase the size of the printed image. A LOT.)?

4x6?
5x7?
8x10?
13x19?
44x36?

Glossy? Matte? Canvas? Vinyl? Velum? Plain paper?

We need a little more information, please.

FWIW, no laser produces good photographic prints. Never will. It is not nor will it ever be a product of laser technology. It's not what it was designed for.
 
What do you have now? We have an HP printer scanner fax. I am at work right now dont know the exact model #


Why exactly don't you like it? Communication issues...it wont talk to our computers. Multiple attempts with online help from HP have not helped. Last week I used wireless to send 12 pics to the printer 4 printed and then ......... nothing. 5 days later out of no where 3 more printed. It is connected to a desktop by cable and we keep getting a message that it cannot find a printer connected. Then
again some days it works just fine....


What are your expectaions? Do you want a dedicated photo printer or are you desiring a printer to do double duty with both office work and print professional quality photographs, like you said? I didnt say I need "professional" quality mostly looking for good quality photos and documents


IF so, you've established a barrier against the best photo printers right to begin with. The best photo printers are photo printers and photo printers only. Anything that claims to serve double-duty compromises both tasks. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to sacrifice in quality and what your standards are. I am not going to be producing prints to sell, mostly pictures from vacations, family and some for our Fire Department. I enjoy photographing scenery but I am NOT Ansel Adams :rolleyes1




There are no great $100 photo printers, IMO. What does matter is that we establish a reasonable point of reference and try to find you the best value for your budget and expectations. We can't do either unless we know what they are. I am not looking for great , right now just looking for one that works! ;) that will print pictures that are not off colored or blurry



What kind of camera are the prints coming from? Do you shoot high-res on it or low res? What kind of resolution does it have (it matters as you increase the size of the printed image. A LOT.)? I have a 5 yearold Sony Cybershot 12x optical zoom and 6.1 mp BUT I am going shopping soon for a DSLR (that will be a whole new can of worm :scared1:)

4x6
5x7
8x10
Glossy & Matte
Are mostly what I print

We need a little more information, please I hope this helps
 
If you're looking for a GOOD printer, not necessarily great, but solid........ I'd recommend my Epson Artisan 710. Not an arm and a leg, and I have been very happy with it. And Epson's customer service has been great. I had one go bad under warranty and they had a new one in my hands within 24 hours.

I think anything in the Artisan series would be good.
 

After reading your requirements, I would recommend something like the Epson Stylus Photo R1900. I have the R800 and R1900 and both do a very good job of printing photos. The R800 is an older model. In the recent past there have been special deals. It lists between $450-$500, but I paid $300 for mine. There have been deals where if you buy a qualifying camera there is a $400 rebate which makes it almost free. I have been using Epson printers for my photos for a long time and have had very good results.
 
I had the Epson R1800 and loved it. It, and the R1900 that replaced it in the lineup, are awesome printers for home users. My R1800's waste pads were trashed (after 6 years of great service from it) and it was going to cost more than I wanted to spend to have them replaced when I factored in the cost of a new set of ink, so I got a new printer. I went with the Epson R2880, which is even awesomer, but is probably on the pricey side for most home users.

A lot of people think that 13 inches wide is too big for their needs, but I use a 13x19 sheet to print 9 4x6 images on. Yes I have to cut them out, but it runs me about 20 cents for each of those 4x6 prints when I factor in ink and everything, and that's pretty cost effective for home printing.

I do think that if you really want to print photos at home it's worth it to have a separate photo printer and document printer. What you save on ink (good quality photo inks are pricey) and wear and tear on the photo printer alone makes it worth the cost to me. We have a cheap Lexmark network all in one that we use for printing documents.
 
I'll throw out my 2c.

2 years ago I gave up on printing photos at home. The aggravation, wasted ink, wasted paper, time and everything else included on it just wasn't worth it anymore. And it wasn't for lack of trying. Over the past ~10 years I've spent probably $1000 on photo quality inkjets and accessories, including outboard ink systems. Before the outboard ink system, the cartridge would dry up between the time that I would need to print something (I had a 12 year old HP B+W laser to do documents, that is still kicking mind you), then I moved to the outboard system and again it would never fail, something was clogged or the print head needed replaced or it leaked all over the place. BLAH.

If I need prints quickly done, I jump in the car and drive to the CVS that's 5 minutes away. I'm in and out and back home faster than if I was printing them at home, at least if I'm printing more than 10 or 15 prints. If i need better quality, I put an order in with Mpix.

2 years ago is when I bought my Samsung color laser and haven't looked back since. I picked it up for $200 and it's an absolute tank. Plug it into the network, load the drivers on all of the PC's in the house and its done. I've had a paper jam maybe a half dozen times, other than that, never a problem. It prints pictures IN documents on plain paper well, I'm never ashamed to turn in a proposal to a client with color pics in it, but it's definitely not a photo printer, IE it won't print 4x6, 5x7, etc. In 2 years I've replaced the black toner once, it sits about 90% full right now. The color toners are still all around 75%. It's significantly cheaper to print on a laser than an inkjet, plus it's crisper and doesn't run if it gets wet.

To put it into a cost perspective, an Artisian 710 runs ~$200 after tax. After tax, I pay $0.20 per print at my CVS. When they're on sale, they run $0.15 and I once in a blue moon (mmm.. beer..) I've seen them at $0.08. Anyhow, even at .20 per print, just the cost of the printer alone (not including consumables, ink, paper, etc. We'll call the time of printing a wash) means you could get 1000 lab quality prints. Their lab is open 24/7 and is *significantly* faster on doing larger orders, than printing at home. And if I really want to, I can upload the pics from home, within a minute, they have them on their machine at the store, so I can run up whenever it's convenient to grab them.

The color refill kit for the Epson is $62, black is another $20. That's $80 in ink! Or another 400 prints if done by a lab. One review I read on the Artisan is he went through an entire set of cartridges on less than a ream of paper. Obviously photos consume lots more ink, unfortunately I can't find an actual cost-per-average-4x6-print to make a apples to apples comparison. The manufactures don't seem to like to publish this information and I can't blame them! If you were to get 100 prints out of a set of cartridges (I feel I'm being pretty liberal here, I never got close to that out of the inkjets I had), it's going to cost $82 for ink + $17 for a 100 pack of Epson premium 4x6 paper = $99 / 100 prints = $0.99 per print. 5 times as expensive as having a photo lab do it.

The only home printer I've ever seen that was awesome all of the time was one that my parents bought my grandparents for Christmas numerous years ago. It was a Kodak Easyshare printer, bundled with an Easyshare camera. This was perfect for them, they snap pics, sit it on the printer, select what they want and boom, it prints. They never had to hookup to a PC, never even had to take the memory card out or even the batteries as it charged on the printer dock.

What made that printer so special was that it was a dye sublimation printer. The photo kits came with a cartridge and 50 sheets of (special) paper. For $38 bucks you knew exactly how many prints you were getting. It was a 5 pass system, the first 4 passes laying down the cyan, yellow, magenta and black, then a 5th pass that applied a clear UV protective coating. It produced great looking pics and worked every time. Unfortunately, they no longer make them and my Grandpa says finding the refill kits is getting difficult. They too were expensive at $0.76 per print.

My 2c.

I realize that some people NEED to print photos at home, but at this point with a pharmacy seemingly on every corner now (within a 3 mile radius of my home, I have 7 pharmacies that all do lab work, plus the Ritz, Target, Walmart, Sams, etc), you may want to consider rethinking printing at home.
 
I have had an Epson Artisan 800 for over 2 years and am very happy with it. I do most of my photo printing from mpix or a local lab, but in a pinch, it does an acceptable job. Mostly I like that it does not give me headaches and prints when I tell it to. When we replace it (not anticipating it soon) I will purchase another Epson.
 
I have had an Epson Artisan 800 for over 2 years and am very happy with it. I do most of my photo printing from mpix or a local lab, but in a pinch, it does an acceptable job. Mostly I like that it does not give me headaches and prints when I tell it to. When we replace it (not anticipating it soon) I will purchase another Epson.

Amy the Epson Loyalty program is pretty good. When I've needed to replace one out of warranty, they have done well by me.
 
Thanks for all the replys! I havent made a decision yet. Lots of good thoughts to consider.!

Squid
 
[/B] I have a 5 yearold Sony Cybershot 12x optical zoom and 6.1 mp BUT I am going shopping soon for a DSLR (that will be a whole new can of worm :scared1:)
Canon is running a Mail in rebate right now that gives you a $400 AMEX card when you purchase select Canon DSLRs and the Canon PIXMA Pro 9000 Mark II Photo Printer.

Basically what this does is give you a very well respected PHOTO printer for free if you purchase at the same time as a DSLR.
It prints photos upto 13x19
 
We have mixed printing needs between school and work projects and photos. We only do occassional photo printing, as large jobs (i.e vacation pics) go to online labs, while important prints are done through a local shop with experienced photo techs. The only photos I do at home are ones needed now (for Granny to take home) or that I really want to see right away. With that in mind, I wanted to put in a good word for the Epson Artisan 830. I just picked one up to replace my last Epson printer (lasted around 10 years). Document print quality is good and I am really pleased with the photo quality. WiFi connectivity allow printing from all of our computers and my IPod Touch using an Epson app. Good luck in your search!
 


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