thought long and hard about this before i put it up..................

[dalt01]

let me start with a couple disclaimers.........i am a BIG fan of this site. i consider myself a loyal subject........i have no axe to grind.......i have no agenda............recently people were asked to "donate" money to keep Dis Radio alive, due to some very real cost issues!......now i am assuming that WDWINFO is a for profit company. if it was the american cancer society or red cross or some such thing i would not have batted an eye. let me stop for a second and say that i may very well be the only person on the planet that feels this way and comments like "if you dont like it dont donate" are unneccessary......the only point of reference i have is if someone came into my place of employment and wondered why the "sirius" radio was not playing and we told them we unexpensed ourselves from that but if they want to hear it there is a jar over there on the table you can throw a buck in. i am not judging anyone who wishes to fork over the 19.95 for a free radio station. i am not judging the company for implementing what i would assume was a well thought out plan. i listen to this station rarely and there are others just like it as you are well aware. i will not be throwing a buck in the jar anytime soon.

 

[FireDancer]

Many podcasts, FLOSS software, and other free services have click to donate buttons. This is merely a verbalization of that button. No one has to donate, people can choose to do so if they feel they are getting value for the free product and want to offset the cost.

I don't see a reason to announce the intention to not donate any more then I see a reason to announce the intention to do so.

I don't know what you are trying to accomplish with this thread.

 

[dalt01]

I don't see a reason to announce the intention to not donate any more then I see a reason to announce the intention to do so.

I don't know what you are trying to accomplish with this thread.

if you look through the first couple pages you will see that many felt a need to announce their donation or intention to donate. i am giving the other side of the coin a look.............as for what i am trying to accomplish........i am attempting to "discuss" my opinion on a "discussion" board.

 

[catycatcat4]

Many podcasts, FLOSS software, and other free services have click to donate buttons. This is merely a verbalization of that button. No one has to donate, people can choose to do so if they feel they are getting value for the free product and want to offset the cost.

I don't see a reason to announce the intention to not donate any more then I see a reason to announce the intention to do so.

I don't know what you are trying to accomplish with this thread.

I agree.

Most of us didn't want them to shut down the radio so they did that as a way to help keep it up.

 

[dalt01]

I agree.

Most of us didn't want them to shut down the radio so they did that as a way to help keep it up.

we know WHY people donate Sierra.........the question is........should they be asked to? give me a compelling reason for that. look online at things like earthquakes and hurricanes and how donations are asked for. then maybe go to Sears.com and look for something similar. then be prepared to defend your side of the debate..........seriously.....it is good mental exercise

 

[DisneyKevin]

Dalton, sometimes you really make me scratch my head.

It was announced that Dis Radio would be ending. We even told people why. It's freakin expensive to run. It has not been monetized in any way shape or form.

People asked us not to stop it as they found it something they enjoyed and offered to donate.

Corey announced where this was possible.

No one solicited you. No one emailed you. No one contacted you. You found the information on a FREE website.

For you to post this seems a bit snarky and disingenuous.

Maybe car sales are slow and you have too much time on your hands...but stuff like this is unnecessary.

 

[rotlex]

While I would not donate, don't listen, I really see nothing wrong with them asking anyone too. Frankly, I'm surprised that all the services they do provide, from the site, to the giveaways on the podcast, and a host of other things are "free". Again, I would not personally donate for the radio thing as I don't listen to it, have a butt load of my own Disney music on my iPhone, but don't quite understand the big deal if they do ask.

With that said, I'm also someone who does not understand why they even need to make a disclaimer when they are affiliated with someone they are recommending on the boards, podcast etc. They are in business to make money, and frankly, if they keep providing the services they do provide, free of charge, I have no issues at all with anything they are doing, or have done in the past. (I understand WHY they do, but really don't see a need for it, and would not be "offended" in any way if they did not).

Just my 2 cents in the discussion.

 

[wishspirit]

we know WHY people donate Sierra.........the question is........should they be asked to?

Simple: You don't ask, you don't get.

People have to be reminded as, to be honest, most people are busy individuals who like to be reminded simply because we may forget!

You personally are not being asked, if you don't feel obliged, don't! There is no 'debate' or 'discussion' about it. It is simple maths and logic.

 

[dalt01]

Dalton, sometimes you really make me scratch my head.

It was announced that Dis Radio would be ending. We even told people why. It's freakin expensive to run. It has not been monetized in any way shape or form.

People asked us not to stop it as they found it something they enjoyed and offered to donate.

Corey announced where this was possible.

No one solicited you. No one emailed you. No one contacted you. You found the information on a FREE website.

For you to post this seems a bit snarky and disingenuous.

Maybe car sales are slow and you have too much time on your hands...but stuff like this is unnecessary.

many, many people put up their very positive comments on why they donated, they love the station, they love the site, they love Pete, etc. everybodys just loves that stuff..........i post why i dont donate and immediatly have to start running for my life. as i said in response to Frank, i am just having a look at the other side of the issue and quite honestly i have no idea where you get "snarky" out of that and you would be hard pressed to find anyone more genuine or sincere. oh and by the way, taking a pot shot at the way i feed my family borders on a personal attack...............wheres a moderator when you need one

 

[spaddy]

we know WHY people donate Sierra.........the question is........should they be asked to? give me a compelling reason for that. look online at things like earthquakes and hurricanes and how donations are asked for. then maybe go to Sears.com and look for something similar. then be prepared to defend your side of the debate..........seriously.....it is good mental exercise

The reason that Sears does not ask for donations because nothing at Sears is free. At least the last time I check Sears only sold goods and provided me with nothing.

How was that for a mental exercise?

 

[hmonkeyruns]

I'm confused. Is your objection to the use of the term "donation"? Do you feel that term should be reserved only for humanitarian efforts? What term would you prefer them to use? Contribution?

Why does there need to be a comparison between this and earthquake relief or disease research?

It's a donation only because listeners are not required to pay in order to listen to DIS Radio. If they were required to pay it would be a subscription. (Am I right that it's an optional donation?) It's not like they are trying to claim that DIS Radio is some kind of charity. And you mention that the DIS is a for-profit company. Sure, but the DIS Radio component of the organization is NOT PROFITABLE. They made a business decision to shut it down, and now "due to guest demands" (HA) we've come to this compromise solution. Seems completely reasonable to me.

I'm asked to donate money to the birthday cake fund at work. Is that morally questionable? I donate money to the "listener supported" over-the-air radio station in my town that plays the best music. Seems like the exact same thing that's going on here.

 

[dalt01]

I'm confused. Is your objection to the use of the term "donation"? Do you feel that term should be reserved only for humanitarian efforts? What term would you prefer them to use? Contribution?

Why does there need to be a comparison between this and earthquake relief or disease research?

It's a donation only because listeners are not required to pay in order to listen to DIS Radio. If they were required to pay it would be a subscription. (Am I right that it's an optional donation?) It's not like they are trying to claim that DIS Radio is some kind of charity. And you mention that the DIS is a for-profit company. Sure, but the DIS Radio component of the organization is NOT PROFITABLE. They made a business decision to shut it down, and now "due to guest demands" (HA) we've come to this compromise solution. Seems completely reasonable to me.

I'm asked to donate money to the birthday cake fund at work. Is that morally questionable? I donate money to the "listener supported" over-the-air radio station in my town that plays the best music. Seems like the exact same thing that's going on here.

what in the world are you talking about, who said anything about it being morally questionable?

 

[DisneyKevin]

many, many people put up their very positive comments on why they donated, they love the station, they love the site, they love Pete, etc. everybodys just loves that stuff..........i post why i dont donate and immediatly have to start running for my life. as i said in response to Frank, i am just having a look at the other side of the issue and quite honestly i have no idea where you get "snarky" out of that and you would be hard pressed to find anyone more genuine or sincere. oh and by the way, taking a pot shot at the way i feed my family borders on a personal attack...............wheres a moderator when you need one

Yet it's okay to take potshots at the way the entire Podcast Team makes their living and feeds their families?

If you feel attacked, I'm sorry, but it doesnt change my opinion.

Do you have the urge to tell us why you dont do anything else?

Just as you feel the freedom to post your opinions....do not be surprised when others do the same....Me included.

I think your comparisons of Sirius Radio and Sears are off base and a bit ridiculous.

 

[DisneyKevin]

I'm asked to donate money to the birthday cake fund at work.

Havent you all worked with the person who stands up and explains why they wont donate to the office birthday cake / coffee?

 

[dgthree]

You are entitled to your opinion, but I think the old saying "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" applies here*

If you don't feel the need to donate because you don't listen to DIS Radio, then don't donate. End of story.

*Actually, I think it applies fairly often on the internet as a whole. People can't read your facial expressions or body language when you type a message, and it can be misconstrued fairly easily. Better to say nothing than to be judged for something you didn't intend to convey.

 

[lttlmc3]

Havent you all worked with the person who stands up and explains why they wont donate to the office birthday cake / coffee?

OMG! How could someone NOT donate to cake!!!!

 

[hmonkeyruns]

what in the world are you talking about, who said anything about it being morally questionable?

To me, that's what your posts have implied. That it is somehow morally wrong for a for-profit company to ask for donations. It's OK for a charity to do so but not a business.

 

[rotlex]

OMG! How could someone NOT donate to cake!!!!

I knew this could turn into a cake thread!

 

[hmonkeyruns]

Havent you all worked with the person who stands up and explains why they wont donate to the office birthday cake / coffee?

Yes! And then half the time they end up pouting when their birthday comes and they don't get any cake!

 

[WaltD4Me]

we know WHY people donate Sierra.........the question is........should they be asked to? give me a compelling reason for that. look online at things like earthquakes and hurricanes and how donations are asked for. then maybe go to Sears.com and look for something similar. then be prepared to defend your side of the debate..........seriously.....it is good mental exercise

Honestly, the whole post above makes no sense to me at all.

Why are you questioning whether people should be asked to donate? Your original post stated that you would not be donating, okay, but now you are questioning whether other people who really want to keep DISRadio going should even be asked for a donation? I don't get it.

Absolutely have NO idea how earthquakes, hurricanes and Sears? have anything at all to do with it. These are even stranger analogies than you usually go for.