Those are NOT 3d Glasses!

[fdecker]

It must be my anal side, but I hate to see misinformation printed. There are really only 3 kinds of 3d glasses that would be possible for making the lights 3 dimensional. Of these, only one is practical and cost effective for what Disney or anyone else could do and those are the cheap red/green glasses called "Anaglyphic Glasses". For these to work, Disney would have to, either using computer created patterns to copy from or very simple images, create light sculptures with red and green lights. This would create a pretty cool 3d effect, but I've never seen anyone do it. Each eye is blocked from seeing the color of the lens it is looking through, so a stereoscopic picture is created by having a blue picture and a red picture that combine in your brain to form a stereoscopic image. This only a monochromatic image with red and green tinge.

Disney DOES use "polorizing" glasses for their true 3d attactions however, to get full color 3d images on ride attractions and things like "Honey, I shrunk the Audience". You can find out more about these processes here:
http://www.3dglassesonline.com/how-do-3d-glasses-work/

There are also diffraction grating glasses that act like thousands of tiny prisms and can do rainbow pattern effects that also would be kind of cool, but again, that's not what they are doing.

The glasses at the Osborne lights use a holographic process that embeds a picture of their choosing (even a name or logo) into the plastic lenses. The pinpoint sources of light then activate the pattern and the focal point of this virtual image allows you see angels or snowflakes hovering in space while looking at the lights.

Fred

 

[Ted and Holly]

The company that makes them, American Paper Optics, calls them HoloSpex. They describe them as "3-D Holographic Glasses"

"HoloSpexTM create spectacular 3-D holographic illusions on any bright point of light for holidays, grand openings, and corporate event sponsorship."

It may not be accurate to call them "3D Glasses" in the traditional sense, but they are producing a 3D effect.

Ted

 

[AKASnowWhite]

Originally posted by fdecker
It must be my anal side, but I hate to see misinformation printed. Fred

Just curious....where is the info printed? I know at the shows they are called "opera glasses" or "bug eyes", etc.....

 

[CRSNDSNY]

I suppose it is much easier to call them 3D glasses since they create a 3D illusion when wearing them. And the fact that the average person (let alone a child) would know the difference between anaglyphic glasses, diffraction grating glasses, etc.

 

[Dznefreek]

You have way too much time on your hands.

 

[paigevz]

very interesting. I try to learn something new every day, so thanks for helping me out today! I'll share this info with my son........he is sooo impressed when I know things like that!

 

[Ilovestitch]

That's an outrage!! How dare they call them 3-D glasses! I think it's all part of Disney's master plan to misinform people !

 

[fdecker]

Disney doesn't call them 3d glasses, some of us on the board do. I guess I do have too much time on my hands because science and technology are my "thing". And Ted has a point, there is a lot of overlap between what you could call "3-d". I guess one distinction would be "3-d stereoscopic" vs. holographic. "Bug's Life", "Honey I shrunk the audience", etc, use polarizing lenses and 2 projected images to create a full-color 3d stereoscopic image, while the holographic glasses give a static floating image recreated when a point source of light is diffracted by what is called a "reflection hologram". It does have dimension since it is a hologram and recreates the wave pattern of the original monochromatic light bouncing off the target object, but it doesn't have anything to do with what you are looking *at* through the glasses.

I also had typos in my post, which I am sorry for. Most anaglyph glasses are red and blue with some being red and green. I got caught up in my Christmas colors But if you had red and blue lights with red/blue glasses or red and green lights with red/green glassess, I can't help but think it could create some pretty cool effects. Instead of just seeing floating snowflakes from the glasses that have little to to with the lights themselves, you could have a huge image that with the glasses on would jump out at you from the lights themselves. A 3d Mickey or Dumbo, for example. Things would be revealed that you could not see without the glasses.

You can stop reading if you got this far, personal note about 3d movies follows , but on another note, I produced some 3d projects in Hollywood and there are many, many issues that require a lot of thought and make them very difficult projects. Just one of the problems is that you can't break the frame of the screen. In real 3d, if an object jutted out from the screen and it's angle would naturally extend beyond say the top of the screen for example, like a spear that might hit the ceiling if it were coming out of a window instead of the screen, that can't be duplicated.

Since the image is only recorded in 2 dimensions on film with a finite height and width, and information can't be created that was never registered on the film, you have to think through every frame to see what may flow over the edges. For example, lets say someone walked close to the camera and their feet and part of their head went out of frame. In everything we watch in 2d, this happens all the time and we don't think about it, our brain knows it's just a closeup and the rest of them is still there. But in 3d, it looks like half the person just disintigrated. Not only does it "break" the 3d effect, but it is actually somewhat confusing to our brains. 3d causes eyestrain and fatigue if done poorly or if viewed for too long, so it takes a real team of artists to put it all together into something that works.

Fred

 

[luvtoall]

I am kinda of an infomation junkie!! Guess thats why I read all these post
Thanks for the info.

 

[Leota]

Fascinating. Thanx for the info.

 

[FatCow]

fdecker,

it's nice to know that someone other than me is passionate about pushing the limit of entertainment and do know (and work on) the technical side of it.

Disney should have stop thinking "it's good enough" and start thinking about "how should we make it better to the max".

This "problem" plagued many later Disney's productions including their music production (the latest is the new Spanish version of My Reflection on Mulan DVD, atrocious production), video transfers (on all of their park DVDs, and also the music videos included in Mulan DVD), and the list goes on.

I guess it's my way of saying... welcome to "Club Sapiendut", when "good enough" is just not good enough.

 

[alfredromero1975]

Disney DOES use "polorizing" glasses...[/url]

I think you meant to say "polarizing" glasses. Thanks for the info!

 

[CoolTrainerTerry]

I have some of those glasses, the HoloSpex. I got them about six years ago from my piano teacher. (yes, I took piano) I thought they were pretty nifty.

 

[Cass]

Yep, anal.

 

[alfredromero1975]

And I think I meant to make proper use of the quote feature!

This topic is also being discussed here:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1286632

 

[Cheshire Figment]

I guess it's my way of saying... welcome to "Club Sapiendut", when "good enough" is just not good enough.

Several yersa ago Judy had me make some buttons, which we wore to work, that said "Good Enough Isn't"

 

[Spaceship Earthfan]

Is there an attraction that calls them 3D glasses? Philharmagic calls them Opera Glasses, HISTA calls them Safety Goggles, ITTBAB calls them Bug Eyes...I'm thinking it's Muppetvision 3D that calls them 3D glasses. Oh wait, it's called Muppetvision 3D. Duh. Never mind!

 

[seashoreCM]

I'm waiting for the day someone develops 3D television. To me the polarizing lens idea is just as adaptable for TV. Secret: Modern TV pictures are made up with tiny dots called pixels. If different pixels have different polarization (accomplished by treatment of the glass screen panel) then the same 3D glasses we use at WDW will work.

And I think I meant to make proper use of the quote feature! url]

OT: The quote feature works fine if you don't cut and paste inside it or at least don't cut too close to the beginning and end if you are in a hurry. Not sure whether it is Disboards or Internet Explorer or Microsoft Windows that butchers the special codes (HTML) when you cut too close making the quote not look like a quote .

Disney hints:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm

 

[M-I-C-K-E-Y]

Fred,

GREAT POST!

I found this a wonderful "I've always wondered about that..." thread, and appreciate your taking the time to present the information. Please don't take it personally when it's suggested that you have "too much time on your hands." While your post was moderately lengthy, it had a reason being so.

P.S. I found it amazing that someone closing in on 5,000 posts suggested that YOU had too much time on YOUR hands...

 

[TheRustyScupper]

1) Oh, NO!
2) Those are not really 3D glasses?
3) Next you'll say that the glasses in back of comic books are not X-Ray vision.