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[Owlpost23]

Disney's listening???If they were listening to what people wanted,they would have built more RIDES.They got caught up in terrible backlash about FP+,and THEN mentioned changes.This isn't proactive at all,it's reactive.

 

[amg35]

I got to page 5 (of 23) of this thread...
when WDW introduced FP+, people got upset.
when WDW introduced the tiers, people got upset.
when WDW said you can only get three, people got upset
people got upset all any one, or all three of these things. now that WDW has heard the gripes and introduced remedies to the issues that people have, people are still getting upset (what about RD-pers? what happens in the evenings when we change parks? why use 'entitlements'? lines will be longer....
I'm telling you, WDW will eliminate FP all together and get rid of the problems. everybody stand in line! everyone can't be pleased... why can't people just be happy?!!

Some people get upset at different things. This just happened to push my button. My rope drop mornings potentially not existing as I knew them upsets me. I'm not saying I'll cancel or anything like that, but I will be waiting to see how it affects standby times in the morning.

I will adapt, but you know what, I'd rather they did get rid of all the fast pass!

 

[prudence64]

Just make the nighttime stuff what you schedule after you use your others on rides. Not like you can't still see that stuff if the fp are out

 

[spritna]

From what i have been reading for couple months now is everyone is making fp+ for the evening. Seems like a good idea, so much thats what i did for may. I think disney might be seeing more people sleeping in and waiting till evening. They need people in the parks to spend money, not at the resort by the pool. So if they can force you to fp+ in the morning so you think about getting that 4th or more fp+ in the evening, there hoping you spend money at the parks (food/merchandise.) problem being these late passes will be for rides that normally dont get any attention. If i can get a tsm, or soarin twice in one day then there onto something. Ill keep my evening fp+ for may and see how that works.

 

[cigar95]

. . . . . Same question raised when this came up in the poll - what if you want to prebook a FP+ for MSEP/Illuminations/etc.?

Entirely possible that evening "special events" will be treated differently in regards to eligibility for additional reservations.
Kinda like "LMA" was handled differently back in the early days when it was actually thought that it would need a FP.

 

[Disneylover99]

This new change is just like legacy FP. The earlier you get to the parks, the more FP's you get. They spent a lot of money to get back to square one.

 

[MrInfinity]

I got to page 5 (of 23) of this thread...
when WDW introduced FP+, people got upset.
when WDW introduced the tiers, people got upset.
when WDW said you can only get three, people got upset
people got upset all any one, or all three of these things. now that WDW has heard the gripes and introduced remedies to the issues that people have, people are still getting upset (what about RD-pers? what happens in the evenings when we change parks? why use 'entitlements'? lines will be longer....
I'm telling you, WDW will eliminate FP all together and get rid of the problems. everybody stand in line! everyone can't be pleased... why can't people just be happy?!!

Super, the issue w this change, is that ppl wanted more fast passes to desirable rides... this doesn't actually give you more. In fact this requires you to burn your 3 at wasteful times to maybe get a 4th, which is less beneficial than just using your 3 at useful times. What it is, is basically calling "rope drop" a fastpass and "giving" it to you. So before you could get on 3 plus a ride or two at rope drop, now you get 4 but your rope drop rides count as part of the 4.

It's kind of a wash, not a significant improvement. I'm all for FP+, have always been... this just doesn't change the game much.

 

[WillAustin]

This new change is just like legacy FP. The earlier you get to the parks, the more FP's you get. They spent a lot of money to get back to square one.

It's only square one if you thought legacy FP was somehow unfair and hypothesized FP+ was created to address that perception.

Super, the issue w this change, is that ppl wanted more fast passes to desirable rides... this doesn't actually give you more. In fact this requires you to burn your 3 at wasteful times to maybe get a 4th, which is less beneficial than just using your 3 at useful times. What it is, is basically calling "rope drop" a fastpass and "giving" it to you. So before you could get on 3 plus a ride or two at rope drop, now you get 4 but your rope drop rides count as part of the 4.

It's kind of a wash, not a significant improvement. I'm all for FP+, have always been... this just doesn't change the game much.

It's not much different than FP- was on a busy day. We'll ride standby at rope drop in addition to the 3 reserved FPs. When we visit WDW it's usually busy, so by the 3rd FP, the headliners were mostly gone anyway. We weren't getting 3 FPs (with the built-in time delay) and then two more for Soarin' and Test Track. They were already out.

 

[Disneylover99]

It's only square one if you thought legacy FP was somehow unfair and hypothesized FP+ was created to address that perception.

I thought legacy FP was extremely fair. You got to the parks early, you had a better chance of using more FP's throughout your day. But this is kind of the same thing, no?

 

[amg35]

I thought legacy FP was extremely fair. You got to the parks early, you had a better chance of using more FP's throughout your day. But this is kind of the same thing, no?

Well, not if more people start booking their fast pass times early, as in 9 am early. That will just increase standby lines.

If that will actually happen? We'll have to wait and see.

(I have no patience )

 

[WillAustin]

I thought legacy FP was extremely fair. You got to the parks early, you had a better chance of using more FP's throughout your day. But this is kind of the same thing, no?

Yes, it's close, and you are right.

Other than the forced 3 advance bookings for everyone else limiting the same day availability it's close to the same without the 2 hour delay between the first 3 FP times.

 

[Disneylover99]

Well, not if more people start booking their fast pass times early, as in 9 am early. That will just increase standby lines.

If that will actually happen? We'll have to wait and see.

(I have no patience )

I do agree that standby lines will be a nightmare, all day, everyday.

 

[clsteve]

Super, the issue w this change, is that ppl wanted more fast passes to desirable rides... this doesn't actually give you more. In fact this requires you to burn your 3 at wasteful times to maybe get a 4th, which is less beneficial than just using your 3 at useful times. What it is, is basically calling "rope drop" a fastpass and "giving" it to you. So before you could get on 3 plus a ride or two at rope drop, now you get 4 but your rope drop rides count as part of the 4.

It's kind of a wash, not a significant improvement. I'm all for FP+, have always been... this just doesn't change the game much.

A wash in many ways considering capacity, but a potentially big change to RD and Park Hopping with the strategy of late FP ressies in the 2nd Park.

 

[2Tiggies]

From what i have been reading for couple months now is everyone is making fp+ for the evening. Seems like a good idea, so much thats what i did for may. I think disney might be seeing more people sleeping in and waiting till evening. They need people in the parks to spend money, not at the resort by the pool. So if they can force you to fp+ in the morning so you think about getting that 4th or more fp+ in the evening, there hoping you spend money at the parks (food/merchandise.) problem being these late passes will be for rides that normally dont get any attention. If i can get a tsm, or soarin twice in one day then there onto something. Ill keep my evening fp+ for may and see how that works.

Although many are scheduling FP from later in the day through the evening there are also many for whom the morning are at least early afternoon slots are the only practical option. Those who are not late night people, or have small children who don't do well late at night as well as the early risers are always going to be morning people. I don't really know what to expect from this. I think it could swing either way. I'm keen to hear how your days pan out with your evening FP's. We have mapped ours in earlier in the day for many of our days - in fact, I think most of them because it gives a more flexible feel to us to do what we want to do first and then be free to do things on the fly - yes, even leave the parks and go offsite This planning is making my head hurt.

 

[JeremyGNJ]

Once this goes into affect, alot of people are going to have to shift their entire FP+ strategy.

If you have to burn your 3 existing FP+ to get add ons then you will have to start booking earlier times. It remains to be seen what the availability of the add on FP+ is and if it is even worth doing if the selection is slim to none.

I get with the current strategy all the morning slots were left open due to the fact of the people trying to book what is interrupted as the busiest times of the day.

This is going to be fun...

This is how I view the matter. I'm just going to use the 3 the best way that makes sense for our family. *IF* we can get a 4th and *IF* there's something available that we want to use, i'll use the 4th.

But I"m not going to change my "plan" just because "4 is better than 3".

 

[2Tiggies]

This is how I view the matter. I'm just going to use the 3 the best way that makes sense for our family. *IF* we can get a 4th and *IF* there's something available that we want to use, i'll use the 4th.

But I"m not going to change my "plan" just because "4 is better than 3".

That makes perfect sense to me. Four is not better than three if the three become less valuable (9.05 am is not equal to 2.25 pm). If you have to sacrifice the value of one or more of your three, you're worse off overall. I'm not changing anything for now either.

Makes me wonder if offering the subsequent passes after the first three are used up is just a sneaky way of making us feel that the three are actually good enough, even though we got up this morning with a different point of view on it.

 

[WillAustin]

That makes perfect sense to me. Four is not better than three if the three become less valuable (9.05 am is not equal to 2.25 pm). If you have to sacrifice the value of one or more of your three, you're worse off overall. I'm not changing anything for now either.

Makes me wonder if offering the subsequent passes after the first three are used up is just a sneaky way of making us feel that the three are actually good enough, even though we got up this morning with a different point of view on it.

The way our family would tour with FP- was pretty close to booking 3 in the morning while also riding standby at rope drop, and then getting more FPs if they were available. Now the first 3 can be used closer together than before.

Most of the time, on busy days, the big headliners (TSMM, TT, Soarin') would be gone by noon, so they were almost never available for our 4th anyway. This new tweak to the system will be closer to how we did it before. On a lot of days we'd leave the park after lunch.

 

[2Tiggies]

Most of the time, on busy days, the big headliners (TSMM, TT, Soarin') would be gone by noon, so they were almost never available for our 4th anyway. This new tweak to the system will be closer to how we did it before. On a lot of days we'd leave the park after lunch.

Quite similar to you up to a point, although we did use more than 3 FP's by lunch time. Did you leave after lunch for a break or did you leave and that was the park done for the day? We used to stay most days and if we were tired we'd go watch shows (or sleep on the People Mover). Or we would hop. But as you say by early afternoon the big ride FP's were already out so this is why it hasn't affected our ability to hop. I think I need an early night. Too much info for tired brains tonight

 

[crostorfer]

This new change is just like legacy FP. The earlier you get to the parks, the more FP's you get. They spent a lot of money to get back to square one.

It may be square one, but it's a more technologically advanced square one, complete with colors, and attachable plastic Mickey head charms.

I have this vision of Tom Staggs sitting in front of a his monkey-suited minions, declaring, "Yes.......they can have more fastpasses, if there are any left after their initial 3. I said, IF." in Lady Tremaine's voice from Cinderella. And then all of the minions giggle with glee.

 

[Shaden]

I guess I don't understand why this is good news...if you have to wait until you use your 3 fast passes, then most of the fast passes will already be gone.

Or otherwise then you have to schedule all your fast passes first thing in the morning, which will kind of ruin the idea of getting there early for rope drop to get on rides w/out waiting.

If they are going to do something, then let it be more scheduled fast passes, or being able to schedule 3 (each) in two parks on same day!

THIS THIS THIS! Having to use all 3 before you get any more is NOT such a great deal. Same question raised when this came up in the poll - what if you want to prebook a FP+ for MSEP/Illuminations/etc.?

When they sent out the survey, I thought the idea of getting a new one each time you use one was great. I can't believe "use all 3" was the most popular answer. (I know, I know, Disney's trying to push more people into early time slots.)

I have stayed out of most of the FP+ threads, but come on, Disney, this is not the answer.

Now I agree that the whole, booking an evening FP+ thing is problematic.

However the premise here isn't really true for a LOT of the year. This is only necessarily true in the busiest part of the year. During most of the year, Crowds 7 and lower, its quite possible to pull FPs throughout the day. To burn your three in the morning, and keep pulling...