This guy is pro second amendment

[Charade]

I guess, he won't be able to hire anyone out DC or Chicago?

 

[ConcKahuna]

Seriously, though, we need to try to get a grip on just how much of this is straight from Obama and how much is from an over-zealous staff. We'll see how this all plays out soon enough.

And I wouldn't be suprised if many other presidents have had similar forms required to work for them.

 

[shortbun]

I can't believe some of the questions on that thing. I would never seek a job (especially a political one) that wanted to know half that information.

It's NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!!

I can't believe that questionnaire doesn't violate some labor discrimination law.

Yeah, well no worries mate, they're not going to ask you to submit an application. Could be they're looking for balance. You are projecting major doom and gloom. No one said they were eliminating people who are gun owners.

 

[Becky2005]

I only got through part of it & thought -- heck I wouldn't even REMEMBER if I wrote anything on-line that could come back to haunt me. Even if I did, I wouldn't have a clue what "handle" I might have used.

I've been on the internet for ages (way before it was widely used).... remember telnet anyone?

Heck if I remember what I've written in my diary when I was younger.

In addition, the gifts over $50 -- sorry, I never asked people how much stuff costs!!! I know it said family & close relatives but what if you got a bonus at work, it sounded like you should include that.

I'm plain not smart enough to work for them. Those forms really are hard to fill out & I venture to guess except for the stuff they could actually verify, some of it might be answered with "I don't recall".

I know my DH had to fill out a security clearance form once and ended up having to ask ME about things about his parents and dates. There were things that were way over 10 years ago & I couldn't remember the exact details as to addresses and things anymore than he could!!! He passed even though I'm sure some of the answers were fuzzy as they wanted not only year but month/date for a lot of stuff that just isn't something we would remember.

 

[SeeVee]

He wants to ensure he has a scandal-free adminstration. Seems like a smart move to me. I think that when you are working for the President, it's not shocking that they would want to know whether or not you own guns.

He wants to make sure no one treats his people like his people treated Joe the Plumber,

 

[SydneyBristow]

Just a thought, but wouldn't the Secret Service need to know all that information?

 

[yeartolate]

He wants to make sure no one treats his people like his people treated Joe the Plumber,

Or perhps he wntstomke sure nobody on his staff IS Joe the Plumber.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

How about Question 60 asking about "health problems"? I thought that would be discriminatory and prohibited based on HIPAA Privacy Rules and federal rules barring discrimination based on medical handicaps (which can include a whole gamut of emotional and physical problems).

Also, an early question mentioned belonging to groups that discriminated based on gender/race/etc. Didn't the Congressional Black Caucus refuse to include some Representative (IIRC, from California) because he was not African-American? I also think mentioning "spouse", rather than being more inclusive for those with significant others (just not legally defined as a "spouse"), seemed inappropriate.

 

[Magic Mom]

How about Question 60 asking about "health problems"? I thought that would be discriminatory and prohibited based on HIPAA Privacy Rules and federal rules barring discrimination based on medical handicaps (which can include a whole gamut of emotional and physical problems).

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That's the question I had an issue with too.

 

[momto3kids]

I just looked at the questionnaire from the link and it's nothing like the application I filled out online. While the appication I submitted was long, it didn't cover any of the topics being being discussed.

I'm wondering if this is the application for security clearance vs. for employment? Not sure but definitely not that application for a job with the Obama-Biden administration.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

I just looked at the questionnaire from the link and it's nothing like the application I filled out online. While the appication I submitted was long, it didn't cover any of the topics being being discussed.

I'm wondering if this is the application for security clearance vs. for employment? Not sure but definitely not that application for a job with the Obama-Biden administration.

Political appointees' questionnaire would be different from the standard Civil Service questionnaire.

 

[wardfamily1]

I heard many of the questions on TV yesterday.

The fact is, if Obama had to fill out the questionaire hiself, he wouldn't pass the security clearance.

 

[sha_lyn]

I just looked at the questionnaire from the link and it's nothing like the application I filled out online. While the appication I submitted was long, it didn't cover any of the topics being being discussed.

I'm wondering if this is the application for security clearance vs. for employment? Not sure but definitely not that application for a job with the Obama-Biden administration.

DH has a top level security clearance (military)and trust me those questions are no where near what would be asked.
He even worked in air traffic control at Andrews AFB when Regan was president.

 

[designermv]

I heard many of the questions on TV yesterday.

The fact is, if Obama had to fill out the questionaire hiself, he wouldn't pass the security clearance.

Which questions specifically do you think he wouldn't "pass?" Genuinely curious. Do you know the criteria for "passing?" or is it just speculation?

 

[Goofyluver]

I heard many of the questions on TV yesterday.

The fact is, if Obama had to fill out the questionaire hiself, he wouldn't pass the security clearance.

And which questions would those be???

 

[mirmartinez]

I heard many of the questions on TV yesterday.

The fact is, if Obama had to fill out the questionaire hiself, he wouldn't pass the security clearance.

Please enlighten us

 

[CowboyCO]

Please enlighten us

His admitted use of cocaine and known association with felons (Rezco) and terrorists (Ayers and his wife) would preclude him from getting a security clearance. This is well-known by those who work in the defense industry or as a civilian contractor.

 

[designermv]

Snopes.com had this to say in response to whether or not Obama would be granted a security clearance. My father is a retired army intelligence officer, I will confirm it with him, even though he is a Republican, I know he'll tell me the truth.

Security Clearance

Claim: Barack Obama would not qualify for a security clearance due to his relationship with Bill Ayers.

Status: False.

Examples: [Collected via e-mail, October 2008]

If Barack Obama would apply for a job with the FBI or with the Secret Service, he would be disqualified because of his past association with William Ayers, a known terrorist.

If he is elected President he would not qualify to be his own Body Guard.

Just passing along info that came to me. his is something to think about no matter what other concerns may be on your plate. If Barack Obama would apply for a job with the FBI or with the Secret Service, he would be disqualified because of his past associations with William Ayers, a known (and unrepentant) terrorist. If elected President, he would not qualify to be his own body guard!

Origins: Speculating about the granting of security clearances is something of a dicey issue, because the process is in many ways a subjective one. Some factors could automatically disqualify an applicant from receiving a clearance, but in the absence of such factors, a wide variety of information needs to be collected and evaluated before a judgment is made about whether to grant or deny a clearance.

In the case of Senator Barack Obama, however, the specific claim that he would automatically be disqualified from obtaining a position with the FBI or the Secret Service due solely to his latter-day association with William Ayers doesn't appear to hold up to scrutiny. An applicant's having engaged in terrorist acts, or having belonged to or contributed to an organization that engaged in committing terrorist acts, could certainly be a factor that would automatically disqualify one from consideration for a security clearance, but those factors do not apply to Senator Obama. Moreover, three security experts consulted by the St. Petersburg Times opined that Obama's association with Bill Ayers began too long after Ayers' membership in the radical Weather Underground group, and was not a sufficiently close or current relationship, for Obama to be denied a security clearance on that basis of that association alone:
"There is nowhere on the [Secret Service's application] form that Obama's relationship to Ayers as it exists or existed would even come up," said Mark Zaid, a
Washington attorney who specializes in security-clearance work. "It would never come up unless somebody mentioned it during a background investigation."

Moreover, even if it did come up, there's no reason to believe it would impede Obama's hiring, Zaid said. "Given what has been said publicly about their relationship, I can't fathom that it would ever get more than a moment's attention," he said.

A second lawyer specializing in security clearances, Elizabeth Newman of the Washington, D.C., firm Kalijarvi, Chuzi & Newman, concurred that the Ayers connection would pose no problem for Obama, even if it did come to the attention of the investigators.

"They would care if there was a recent relationship with someone who is currently on trial or currently considered to be advocating violent overthrow of the government," she said. "But not something that was 20 or 30 years ago."

A third security-clearance lawyer, Mark Riley of Odenton, Md., who is also a retired Army intelligence officer, was slightly less dismissive of the Ayers issue, saying it was "something they would investigate."

But Riley leaned toward the conclusion that the Ayers connection would not cost Obama a security clearance. "The issue is what is Obama's relationship with him in his adult life," Riley said. "If he didn't have one, other than they sat on a board and maybe had the same political causes, that's not enough to deny a fellow a clearance."
No such background checks are required for Barack Obama's current position as a U.S. Senator, or for his possible future position as President of the United States. Senator Obama already has access to a good deal of secret intelligence information as a member of Congress, and as President he would not only have access to more of it but would also have the power to determine who else within the government might see it.

Last updated: 26 October 2008

The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/security.asp

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Now, the info is slightly outdated in that it was posted prior to Obama winning the election, but I think it is still relevant.

The "relationship" with Ayers has been shown to be irrelevant by multiple RELIABLE non-biased sources.

AS for Rezco, I'll have to look into it tomorrow, I am on my way out for the evening.

 

[mirmartinez]

So anyone who associated with Ted Stevens can never receive security clearance?

 

[Colleen27]

How about Question 60 asking about "health problems"? I thought that would be discriminatory and prohibited based on HIPAA Privacy Rules and federal rules barring discrimination based on medical handicaps (which can include a whole gamut of emotional and physical problems).

Also, an early question mentioned belonging to groups that discriminated based on gender/race/etc. Didn't the Congressional Black Caucus refuse to include some Representative (IIRC, from California) because he was not African-American? I also think mentioning "spouse", rather than being more inclusive for those with significant others (just not legally defined as a "spouse"), seemed inappropriate.

You're assuming that an answer to any of the questions would mean immediate disqualification. I seriously doubt that will be the case. I think he's just looking to be out in front of the issues most likely to be raised by the media or the opposition.