This board scares me

[rotlex]

This is a lot more anecdotal than established fact.

One person reports that lines at certain rides are much longer, or that FP lines take longer to get through, and the people who are against FP+ in the first place jump on it and say (1) this is because of FP+, and (2) it's going to be like this all the time, if not worse. In addition to overall park crowds, there are a lot of things that can cause a line to be longer at a certain attraction at a certain time on a given day, such as a breakdown on that ride or another one nearby, or the long term refurbishment of another attraction. Or maybe two tour groups just entered and caused the line to grow quickly and temporarily.

Others report that they haven't noticed things like that, and it gets lost in the shuffle or dismissed. This is a lot like the general reporting of park crowds, where two different posters reporting on the same park on the same day will have completely different perceptions.

You really have to take these things with a grain of salt. And, if you aren't going until September, a lot of things could be different by then. If you were never a big FP user in the first place, and are going at one of the least busy times of the year, you will be fine.

I agree and disagree with this. This has nothing to do with FP+ really, but rather the fact that no "omni mover" ride should EVER have a FP tied to it. (OK, pirates not an omni mover, but still). Take Peter Pans Flight. For years the FP Q has slowed down the stand by line considerably. On our visit late last year, the haunted mansion stand by line was worse than I had ever seen; presumably due to FP having been implemented at it.

I guess in general, and I'm probably in the minority with this, my complaint for the past number of years has been with FP in general. I just don't see the need for it on anything but truly big ticket rides as it just stops the standard line flow on anything that was originally designed to move x number of people per hour. FP+ is just making things worse.

 

[waynesgirl]

I agree with you. As someone who used FP extensively on all of our previous trips, the new system is a major downer for us. There are so many things I dislike about it, but they've already been mentioned countless times, so I won't repeat the mantra.

Our next trip is coming up in 2 months. If the inability to ride our favorite rides multiple times (without absurd wait times) is what we experience, I believe this will be our last trip to WDW until changes are made to the current FP+ limitations. However, if we can still manage multipe rides (with or w/o FPs) on our favorite rides, I will be satisfied. Ask me which scenario I think is the more likely, LOL.

Since our trips have been ride-centric, anything that makes it more difficult to enjoy the rides (multiple times) will be a negative for us. For others, whose trips are not as focused on the rides (particularly the headliner rides), the new system probably won't bother them very much.

But I refuse to continue to pay the ever-increasing costs of a WDW vacation, if the main reason I go to the parks (the rides) is negatively affected. From all that I have read and know about FP+, our ride experience will be affected. Just how significantly it is affected is the question, I guess.

I do know that I can continue to enjoy Universal's rides (which also has more challenging rides than Disney does), basically without limit if I stay in one of their hotels, and with very short wait times too. And the cost to stay at Portofino (a top UA hotel) during Spring Break is less than the cost of a Disney deluxe resort for the same week. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what place makes the most sense for me and my family.

This is obviously not the answer for everyone. But for those of us who enjoy the top thrill rides and headliners, it may be the wave of the future.

This is perfect!!!! You hit the nail on the head. Your experience is defined by the rides. If the costs go up and no changes are made, you won't go. But, you're not browbeating others for disagreeing with you. I like the rides, but that is not why I go exclusively. You also recognize that Disney changed to accommodate differences for others. It doesn't work for you so Disney won't get your money.

I agree and disagree with this. This has nothing to do with FP+ really, but rather the fact that no "omni mover" ride should EVER have a FP tied to it. (OK, pirates not an omni mover, but still). Take Peter Pans Flight. For years the FP Q has slowed down the stand by line considerably. On our visit late last year, the haunted mansion stand by line was worse than I had ever seen; presumably due to FP having been implemented at it.

I guess in general, and I'm probably in the minority with this, my complaint for the past number of years has been with FP in general. I just don't see the need for it on anything but truly big ticket rides as it just stops the standard line flow on anything that was originally designed to move x number of people per hour. FP+ is just making things worse.

I see it different- Peter Pan, even on days when other rides are only 10 minutes, can have a wait of up to 120. This is because it is a very family-friendly ride. You can put EVERYONE in the family on it, babies, elderly, wheel-chair bound, etc. I was there before FP and the wait could be up to 240 minutes.
Even with FP, it was a huge wait.
Still the same, even with FP+.

It's sometimes the popularity and the family, not the ride itself.

IASW can have huge wait times- even with the ability to pack a boat.

Pirates, as well. A lot of the rides can handle a whole family with babies. Therefore, those rides are ridden over and over, unlike Space Mountain that has a height limit.

 

[wisblue]

I agree and disagree with this. This has nothing to do with FP+ really, but rather the fact that no "omni mover" ride should EVER have a FP tied to it. (OK, pirates not an omni mover, but still). Take Peter Pans Flight. For years the FP Q has slowed down the stand by line considerably. On our visit late last year, the haunted mansion stand by line was worse than I had ever seen; presumably due to FP having been implemented at it.

HM has continuous boarding, but FP doesn't change that at all. The FP merge with standby takes place before the stretch rooms, so the flow of people to the ride vehicles is the same as it ever was.

IF a longer than usual wait for HM is caused by FP, it would be because the existence of FPs allows fewer people without them to board, not because of how the ride loads.