This administration can't end soon enough..

[bicker]

And can you please show my the proof that Bush lied about that?

If I had the proof, I'd probably have exposed it publicly, despite the greater danger a Cheney presidency would have posed.

And again, Clinton was not impeached for lying about having an affair, he was impeached for purjury, which in case you missed it is a crime.

He was, specifically, impeached for lying about sex, which is exactly what I said. He was impeached based on an assertion he committed purjury about sex. That's the point... don't try to distract away from the difference in gravity between the lying the two men engaged in. Clinton lied about sex; Bush lied about what he knew with regard to information that he used to lead Congress and the American people to support his war in Iraq. Clinton's lying led to one dress being stained. Bush's lying led to thousands of deaths.

I have to give Bush credit though: He got away with it.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

Bush took office a mere 8 months before 9/11. The Clinton administration absolutely had viable information that Bin Laden was a threat and that an attack was imminent. The Clinton administration absolutely bears some blame for that horrible day. You can't possibly let your hatred of Bush cloud those facts.

As for the Syrians...I wouldn't believe a word they say and I am more than confident that this attack was necessary and justified.

And the towers were bombed under Clinton.

 

[luvmy3]

Bush took office a mere 8 months before 9/11. The Clinton administration absolutely had viable information that Bin Laden was a threat and that an attack was imminent. The Clinton administration absolutely bears some blame for that horrible day. You can't possibly let your hatred of Bush cloud those facts.

As for the Syrians...I wouldn't believe a word they say and I am more than confident that this attack was necessary and justified.

Whats going to happen when an attack happens on Obama or McCain's watch? Will they blame either of them? No we all know they'll still blame Bush

 

[luvmy3]

If I had the proof, I'd probably have exposed it publicly, despite the greater danger a Cheney presidency would have posed.

He was, specifically, impeached for lying about sex, which is exactly what I said. He was impeached based on an assertion he committed purjury about sex. That's the point... don't try to distract away from the difference in gravity between the lying the two men engaged in. Clinton lied about sex; Bush lied about what he knew with regard to information that he used to lead Congress and the American people to support his war in Iraq. Clinton's lying led to one dress being stained. Bush's lying led to thousands of deaths.

I have to give Bush credit though: He got away with it.

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. It doesn't matter what he was lying about,
Please give us an example of wht Bush lied under oath about, I think I must have missed where everyone accusing him of lying has actually stated his lies

 

[Master Mason]

If I had the proof, I'd probably have exposed it publicly, despite the greater danger a Cheney presidency would have posed.

He was, specifically, impeached for lying about sex, which is exactly what I said. He was impeached based on an assertion he committed purjury about sex. That's the point... don't try to distract away from the difference in gravity between the lying the two men engaged in. Clinton lied about sex; Bush lied about what he knew with regard to information that he used to lead Congress and the American people to support his war in Iraq. Clinton's lying led to one dress being stained. Bush's lying led to thousands of deaths.

I have to give Bush credit though: He got away with it.

Well, first off, your basing this entire arguement on your belief that Bush lied, instead of any factual proof that he did so.

Second, it doesn't matter a hill of beans what Clinton commited purjury over, it still remains a fact he perjured himself. Which is a crime and caused the impeachement and his disbarment. If it was simply the "I never had sex with that woman statement" he wouldn't have been impeached, because he wouldn't have commited a crime.

And again, when you have proof about any Crime Bush commited, then bring it on, until then it's just sour grapes.

 

[LakeAriel]

Believe me, they can. It was also Jaime Garelick that erected the "wall" between the FBI and the CIA, so that information obtained by one agency could not be shared with the other. Had that wall not existed, the connection would have been seen, probably in time to have stopped the attacks.

Condoleezza Rice testified that she received word of an imminent threat with planes in August! Speaking of walls existing, too bad there was not a urgent mandate, right then and there, that no one had access to those pilots in the cockpit! That didn't come until after the fact. This administration dropped the ball BIG TIME!

 

[LakeAriel]

This took planning...years worth of planning. Yes, intelligence was coming in on clintons watch.

BTW...I know alot of soldiers who are stationed in Afghanistan...

Yes Bush should have sent MORE troops to afghanistan, but i do understand why he sent troops to iraq. He didnt want another 911.

Just like i believe something needs to be done about Iran.

I think enough time has passed that you should know..IRAQ had NOTHING to do with 9/11

 

[Patch'sD]

too late now

Repubs impeach a dem president for having a good time... we can't get an idiot president impeached for actual crimes.

please name the crimes.

 

[lovin diz]

I think enough time has passed that you should know..IRAQ had NOTHING to do with 9/11

i didnt say iraq had anything to do with 911. Bush stopped saddam hussien, before he hit us.

But again, i do think iran is a country we will have to deal with, and shame on bush, not the next president, if iran does something bad in the near future.

 

[bicker]

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath.

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath about sex, questions that arguably invaded his privacy given that the context of the relationship had no national consequence. Bush is suspected of having lied about military intelligence.

It doesn't matter what he was lying about

Yes, it actually does, in terms of its impact on the nation.

Please give us an example of wht Bush lied under oath about, I think I must have missed where everyone accusing him of lying has actually stated his lies

You didn't miss it. You simply don't believe the accusations, and that's you're right, just like it is the right of those of us who do believe he knew that there was no credible evidence that there were WMDs in Iraq before he worked to convince Congress and the American people that there were, an action that led to thousands of deaths.

 

[bicker]

Well, first off, your basing this entire arguement on your belief that Bush lied, instead of any factual proof that he did so.

Absolutely, and that's more than enough for me to make this argument, especially given the general order of accusatory discourse in this forum over the last month, with the various attacks on Obama. If you want a forum where only proven accusations against national political figures are raised, this is not the place.

Second, it doesn't matter a hill of beans what Clinton commited purjury over

Of course it does. There is a difference in effect: Stained dress versus thousands of lives. It is a gross instance of disrespect to equate those lives with that dress.

 

[Master Mason]

Absolutely, and that's more than enough for me to make this argument, especially given the general order of accusatory discourse in this forum over the last month, with the various attacks on Obama. If you want a forum where only proven accusations against national political figures are raised, this is not the place.

Of course it does. There is a difference in effect: Stained dress versus thousands of lives. It is a gross instance of disrespect to equate those lives with that dress.

If you feel so, however I feel it is a gross injustice to equate unsubstantiated beliefs to proven purjury.

The point is the president is to be above reproach. He swore a couple of oaths, one when he took office and one when he took the stand. If someone will lie under oath, then an oath obviously means nothing to them. And the first one is sort of important.

As for Bush lieing, I still do not believe he did. Yes I believe he had bad intel, but so did the rest of the world. Those that saw the data believed it to be true and acted on it. The fact that it turned out to be bad intel does not make it a lie on the part of the people that acted on the intel at hand.

But it doesn't matter, I'm not going to change your mind on either subject.

 

[rie'smom]

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath about sex, questions that arguably invaded his privacy given that the context of the relationship had no national consequence. Bush is suspected of having lied about military intelligence.

Yes, it actually does, in terms of its impact on the nation.

You didn't miss it. You simply don't believe the accusations, and that's you're right, just like it is the right of those of us who do believe he knew that there was no credible evidence that there were WMDs in Iraq before he worked to convince Congress and the American people that there were, an action that led to thousands of deaths.

Got it, it's OK to lie under oath some of the time and if you're a democrat-thanks for that!

Bush didn't lie under oath. He didn't do anything that's impeachable. Sorry.

 

[purplepaint]

Got it, it's OK to lie under oath some of the time and if you're a democrat-thanks for that!

Bush didn't lie under oath. He didn't do anything that's impeachable. Sorry.

Isnt it always like that with the democrats do as I say but not as I do?

 

[luvmy3]

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath about sex, questions that arguably invaded his privacy given that the context of the relationship had no national consequence. Bush is suspected of having lied about military intelligence.

Yes, it actually does, in terms of its impact on the nation.

You didn't miss it. You simply don't believe the accusations, and that's you're right, just like it is the right of those of us who do believe he knew that there was no credible evidence that there were WMDs in Iraq before he worked to convince Congress and the American people that there were, an action that led to thousands of deaths.

Please don't assume you what I believe. I asked a question for someone to please list the lies Bush told under oath. The reason no one has is because there aren't any. It doesn't matter whether I believe he lied about WMDs or not.
The fact that Clinton broke the law by lying under oath is why he was impeached. To me it doesn't matter what he lied about, he lied UNDER OATH. the POTUS commited a crime but you can go ahead and dismiss that if you want.

 

[bicker]

Got it, it's OK to lie under oath some of the time and if you're a democrat-thanks for that!

I didn't say that. Please argue against what I actually wrote instead of something easier to argue against.

Bush didn't lie under oath.

Clinton's lie didn't result in the lost of thousands of lives.

 

[jekajekalynn]

I didn't say that. Please argue against what I actually wrote instead of something easier to argue against.

Clinton's lie didn't result in the lost of thousands of lives.

I learned that an unusual number (the exact count seems to be parallel to the percentage of people who account for his approval rating even now) have stuck their heads in the sand when it comes to this administrations incompetence . Kudos to you Bicker for debating with them, you are a better person then I, because with me it's like shouting at a brick.