Thinking about leaving my church - Baptism Class vent

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Yesterday I went to my daughters Baptism class and I am so mad about it that I am acutally thinking about leaving my church because of it. This is going to be long so bear with me.

There are several reasons why I am so mad about it so let's just start with the fact that it was 2 hours long. Only 1/2 hour of those two hours was spent learning about what we need to do for the Baptism (what time to be there, where to go in the church) and why we get our children Baptized.

The rest of the 1 1/2 hours was spent as a parenting class. Now, I already have a 5 year old. I don't need a parenting class. If I wanted to take one, I would have signed up for one. There were three couples in the class. Me (with a 3 1/2 month old), a couple with a one year old and a couple with a 4 month old. The parenting class was taught by two women for the church who were older. Not trying to be rude, but one was in her 70's and the other in her 60's. It might be a better idea if your going to make people sit through a parenting class that you have people closer in age to the people who have the children being Baptized. Raising a child in the modern day is much different than when these women raised their children. Furthermore, while they were somewhat current on their information, it was totally information that we are all well past. It was more suited for people who had newborns fresh out of the hospital. Or ever better, pregnant women.

One woman talked forever about how we MUST sing and read to our children. How if we do, they will be smarter and better at most everything. She just kept saying the same thing over and over. Ok lady I get it, you want us to sing to our babies. It was so annoying.

The other lady was teaching us how to swaddle and give tummytime to our babies. Hello, most of us if not all of us are well past the swaddling stage. But I knew I was in for it when she introduced herself. She was a nurse in the OB ward in the local hospital. But more than that, she was a lactation consultant there. Now, I am a mom who formula feeds my baby by choice and I knew that I was going to get an earful about breastfeeding. I was right. She went on about how that is how GOD made us to breastfeed and that is what we are supposed to do. She put up a bunch of slides on tips about breadtfeeding and links and numbers to go to for help. Then she says in a very fast, very disgusted tone of voice, "I am not saying that you can't formula feed your baby - if that is what you feel like you need to do". No, I don't FEEL like I need to do it, I WANT to do it. And again, the youngest baby in the class is 3 1/2 months old. Do you not think they have been fed for the last 3 1/2 months? If someone wanted information on breastfeeding is that not something they would have gotten before the baby was born or immediately after?

Now, my husband was sick so he was not at the class but I am quite certain he would have walked out. These women both kept bashing dads! They kept saying how dads don't spend enough time with their kids and how the kids always want mom more. That the average dad only spends 1/2 hr a week alone with their kids. Really? My husband spends more time with our son than I do and I am quite certain he would have been offended if you told him that he did not spend enough time with his kids. Kind of what I mean by they are to old to be teaching the class. Maybe in their day, dads did not spend enough time with their kids, not modern day.

There are several more things that irriated me. The importance of baby sign language, how to massage your baby....those kinds of things. But basically, I feel like I was made to go through a parenting class and listen to advice that I did not ask for. One lady kept quoting a study that was completed in 1995. Hello, it is 2010! And she argued with me when I told her that my kindergartner has to know how to read. She told me that cannot be true.

So I am seriously thinking of finding a new chuch. Am I overreacting? What would you do in this situation?

Kristine
 
Find a new church? Oh please. I would go to the head pastor/priest and complain. Tell him you do not want to leave the church but this is unacceptable. Suggest things that you think would help.
 
Yesterday I went to my daughters Baptism class and I am so mad about it that I am acutally thinking about leaving my church because of it. This is going to be long so bear with me.

There are several reasons why I am so mad about it so let's just start with the fact that it was 2 hours long. Only 1/2 hour of those two hours was spent learning about what we need to do for the Baptism (what time to be there, where to go in the church) and why we get our children Baptized.

The rest of the 1 1/2 hours was spent as a parenting class. Now, I already have a 5 year old. I don't need a parenting class. If I wanted to take one, I would have signed up for one. There were three couples in the class. Me (with a 3 1/2 month old), a couple with a one year old and a couple with a 4 month old. The parenting class was taught by two women for the church who were older. Not trying to be rude, but one was in her 70's and the other in her 60's. It might be a better idea if your going to make people sit through a parenting class that you have people closer in age to the people who have the children being Baptized. Raising a child in the modern day is much different than when these women raised their children. Furthermore, while they were somewhat current on their information, it was totally information that we are all well past. It was more suited for people who had newborns fresh out of the hospital. Or ever better, pregnant women.

One woman talked forever about how we MUST sing and read to our children. How if we do, they will be smarter and better at most everything. She just kept saying the same thing over and over. Ok lady I get it, you want us to sing to our babies. It was so annoying.

The other lady was teaching us how to swaddle and give tummytime to our babies. Hello, most of us if not all of us are well past the swaddling stage. But I knew I was in for it when she introduced herself. She was a nurse in the OB ward in the local hospital. But more than that, she was a lactation consultant there. Now, I am a mom who formula feeds my baby by choice and I knew that I was going to get an earful about breastfeeding. I was right. She went on about how that is how GOD made us to breastfeed and that is what we are supposed to do. She put up a bunch of slides on tips about breadtfeeding and links and numbers to go to for help. Then she says in a very fast, very disgusted tone of voice, "I am not saying that you can't formula feed your baby - if that is what you feel like you need to do". No, I don't FEEL like I need to do it, I WANT to do it. And again, the youngest baby in the class is 3 1/2 months old. Do you not think they have been fed for the last 3 1/2 months? If someone wanted information on breastfeeding is that not something they would have gotten before the baby was born or immediately after?

Now, my husband was sick so he was not at the class but I am quite certain he would have walked out. These women both kept bashing dads! They kept saying how dads don't spend enough time with their kids and how the kids always want mom more. That the average dad only spends 1/2 hr a week alone with their kids. Really? My husband spends more time with our son than I do and I am quite certain he would have been offended if you told him that he did not spend enough time with his kids. Kind of what I mean by they are to old to be teaching the class. Maybe in their day, dads did not spend enough time with their kids, not modern day.

There are several more things that irriated me. The importance of baby sign language, how to massage your baby....those kinds of things. But basically, I feel like I was made to go through a parenting class and listen to advice that I did not ask for. One lady kept quoting a study that was completed in 1995. Hello, it is 2010! And she argued with me when I told her that my kindergartner has to know how to read. She told me that cannot be true.

So I am seriously thinking of finding a new chuch. Am I overreacting? What would you do in this situation?

Kristine

If you are basing your church on this one class, then yes, you are overreacting.

If you are already uncomfortable with this church and this is the last draw, then no, you are not overreacting.

As far as WWID? I have left organized religion for good.
 
Yesterday I went to my daughters Baptism class and I am so mad about it that I am acutally thinking about leaving my church because of it. This is going to be long so bear with me.

There are several reasons why I am so mad about it so let's just start with the fact that it was 2 hours long. Only 1/2 hour of those two hours was spent learning about what we need to do for the Baptism (what time to be there, where to go in the church) and why we get our children Baptized.

The rest of the 1 1/2 hours was spent as a parenting class. Now, I already have a 5 year old. I don't need a parenting class. If I wanted to take one, I would have signed up for one. There were three couples in the class. Me (with a 3 1/2 month old), a couple with a one year old and a couple with a 4 month old. The parenting class was taught by two women for the church who were older. Not trying to be rude, but one was in her 70's and the other in her 60's. It might be a better idea if your going to make people sit through a parenting class that you have people closer in age to the people who have the children being Baptized. Raising a child in the modern day is much different than when these women raised their children. Furthermore, while they were somewhat current on their information, it was totally information that we are all well past. It was more suited for people who had newborns fresh out of the hospital. Or ever better, pregnant women.

One woman talked forever about how we MUST sing and read to our children. How if we do, they will be smarter and better at most everything. She just kept saying the same thing over and over. Ok lady I get it, you want us to sing to our babies. It was so annoying.

The other lady was teaching us how to swaddle and give tummytime to our babies. Hello, most of us if not all of us are well past the swaddling stage. But I knew I was in for it when she introduced herself. She was a nurse in the OB ward in the local hospital. But more than that, she was a lactation consultant there. Now, I am a mom who formula feeds my baby by choice and I knew that I was going to get an earful about breastfeeding. I was right. She went on about how that is how GOD made us to breastfeed and that is what we are supposed to do. She put up a bunch of slides on tips about breadtfeeding and links and numbers to go to for help. Then she says in a very fast, very disgusted tone of voice, "I am not saying that you can't formula feed your baby - if that is what you feel like you need to do". No, I don't FEEL like I need to do it, I WANT to do it. And again, the youngest baby in the class is 3 1/2 months old. Do you not think they have been fed for the last 3 1/2 months? If someone wanted information on breastfeeding is that not something they would have gotten before the baby was born or immediately after?

Now, my husband was sick so he was not at the class but I am quite certain he would have walked out. These women both kept bashing dads! They kept saying how dads don't spend enough time with their kids and how the kids always want mom more. That the average dad only spends 1/2 hr a week alone with their kids. Really? My husband spends more time with our son than I do and I am quite certain he would have been offended if you told him that he did not spend enough time with his kids. Kind of what I mean by they are to old to be teaching the class. Maybe in their day, dads did not spend enough time with their kids, not modern day.

There are several more things that irriated me. The importance of baby sign language, how to massage your baby....those kinds of things. But basically, I feel like I was made to go through a parenting class and listen to advice that I did not ask for. One lady kept quoting a study that was completed in 1995. Hello, it is 2010! And she argued with me when I told her that my kindergartner has to know how to read. She told me that cannot be true.

So I am seriously thinking of finding a new chuch. Am I overreacting? What would you do in this situation?

Kristine



I think you are way overreacting. If you are a regularly attending member of this church, and you enjoy services, fellowship, and feel good about having your children raised there, then one class you felt wasn't relevant to you shouldn't drive you away. The information may not have been important to you, but others may have gotten alot out of it.
 

If this is the only reason you are thinking of leaving, then I think you are overreacting.

If you are happy with the church-the minister, the sermons, and anything else they offer, why would you let 2 women in a class you won't have to worry about again push you away from that?

Why not talk to someone in charge if you were unhappy with the class and let them know what you were uncomfortable with.
 
You're totally overreacting. You could just roll your eyes and tell your DH, "Wait til you hear what you missed!" and the two of you could laugh about it.

I didn't see anything in your post about your actual religious beliefs and how this one class did not support them, so I'm going to suggest you blow this off and get the baby baptised and call it a day.
 
I wouldn't switch churches because of that. You're not always going to like what other people say, and the classes are only for a short time. I would just sit through them and bear it.
Baptism is between you and God, and you have a right to your own opinion, but I wouldn't rock the boat or do anything drastic because you didn't expect to get parenting advise at the class. It sounds like they mean well, and probably aren't trying to offend anyone. Maybe someone from the 'old school' just wants to pass on what she feels is helpful information. No matter who gives you advice---and a lot of people will---you don't have to agree with it.
 
If you are otherwise happy, I would just let it slide.

A few thoughts on this though. I have three children, after taking the initial class, we were not required to do it again. I have to wonder why they are asking you to take a baptism class if you have already done it. As for women focusing on newborn things, we're "supposed" to have them baptized as newborns. I did not have one done until he was almost eight months and the other two were closer to a year. This is probably why it was geared more toward newborns. I think most people are putting things off until later and possibly the church has not caught up with this. As for the parenting classes by older women, if you feel they are out of it, why not volunteer? I would guess that there is a need and possibly these are two that had the time to fill this or possibly there wasn't anyone else and they filled in in a pinch and were given outdated material.
 
I could not imagine dumping a church because it wasted an hour and a half of your life.

That being said, yesterday, I did tell my wife that we should reconsider Catholicism because my knees can't take the rigors of Mass.
 
I would have been really annoyed. I'd go talk to your pastor or whoever you can. Especially about the breastfeeding bit, yes it is best but some people try really hard and fail which is horrible. Adding God into the bf guilt takes it to a whole new level though :rotfl:
 
You could speak with the minister and offer to help run the baptism classes, then the classes would have an more "updated" approach. Many churches are hurting for the help. These may have been the only woman in the congregation who offered their help.
 
While I wouldn't leave my church because of this, I would definitely bring it to some higher-ups attention. I've been to a few (for my kids and my sister's), and have never heard of incorporating parenting classes. It sounds very outdated, not to mention nuts about the breastfeeding - unless you've recently given birth, your decision of whether or not to breastfeed has not only been made, but it can't be changed.
 
You wasted 90 minutes of your life. I'd talk to whoever is in charge but not leave the church over it. Of course, in the future you may be nominated to be in charge of the program!;)
 
I agree with the others that leaving the church would be overreacting, but that you should say something. Doesn't sound like any baptism class that I've ever been too - which focused more on the actual baptism.

There's a good chance that the pastor isn't aware of what is actually being taught in these classes. Sounds like these women are using the class to teach their own brand of "religion."
 
It sounds very outdated, not to mention nuts about the breastfeeding - unless you've recently given birth, your decision of whether or not to breastfeed has not only been made, but it can't be changed.

Some of the lactation consultants are really militant and downright mean though. With my first son I tried to breast feed. At the hospital he had crystals in he urine but the nurses told us that was normal. At his well baby check up ten days later he still had them and the public health nurse freaked out. He wasn't gaining any weight. Then began the month long hell where I spent all my time pumping and feeding him while my supply kept drying up. I finally gave in when he was six weeks old and gave him formula. At three months a lactation consultant phoned from the health unit and badgered my husband about me "trying" again and wanted a "good reason" why we stopped. Ugh. That lady at the church would have gotten an earful from me about God's will if I had been there hahaha.
 
Well, if this one incident is the only thing you dislike about your church, then I would say yes, you are over-reacting.

However, if there are many things that you dislike about your church and this is "one more thing"...the straw that is breaking the camel's back...then perhaps seeking a new church that is a better "fit" for you would be the best answer.

As far as the specific class itself, if you feel that strongly about it, I would recommend discussing it with your pastor. Tell him/her your feelings about it being irrelevant to your needs and situation, tell him about your discomfort with the lactation consultant's "strong" statements, tell him about the negative generalizations about fathers that were made. These are all things he/she might want to hear. Pastors can't be everywhere. It may be that these 3 women are the only ones who would/could volunteer their time to teach the class, and if no one has ever told the pastor differently, he/she could assume that it's going "fine". Even if I decided that this was enough to leave my church, I still think I'd let the pastor know, so he/she could look into it.
 
I think you are overreacting. Not sure what religion you are but obviously one that believes in infant baptism. If I were otherwise OK with the church, I would not leave because I didn't care for baptism class.
 
Some of the lactation consultants are really militant and downright mean though.


oooh this is OT but I agree with this! when dd was born, she wasn't hungry! Well she nursed for 7 minutes on both sides right after birth, but then, she wasn't hungry for the rest of the day. The LC MASHED dd's face to my breast repeatedly. she taped tubes to my breasts then mashed her face into it again.. She'd put her big ol finger into her mouth and make her open! The mash her face in again! At two days old she made us go for bloodwork because she hadn't gained any weight...hello??

Because dd was traumatized by this she would not open her mouth wide enough to latch on. we dealt with this on our own; I pumped, she drank it from a small rubber nippled bottle.


This LC called and harassed us every day! We needed to come in, she needed blood tests weight check, she needed to WATCH HER NURSE to see if she did it right! ugh. Finally our doctor got her to back off.

btw dd switched to regular breastfeeding at 6 weeks on her own. :)

Sorry you had to go through that. I agree with the pp however, they prob are used to newborns, and didn't think to adjust their lecture
 
If it makes you feel any better the last baptism class we had to go to they gave us oaktag and magazines with scissors and glue. We had to cut out pictures from magazines and glue it on the oaktag.:confused3 It was ridiculous. It was also at lunchtime. So we had 4 hungry children trapped in a room with a few other families making collages. Yeah, like I really needed that class. :rolleyes: Keep in mind that my kids are close in age. We have baptised a child there every other year!
Ahhhh...the Catholic Church, nothing makes sense to me.:rotfl:
 
I could not imagine dumping a church because it wasted an hour and a half of your life.

That being said, yesterday, I did tell my wife that we should reconsider Catholicism because my knees can't take the rigors of Mass.

It is permissible in the Catholic Church to stand when others are kneeling if you are unable to do so.
 












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