They can't give out more than 3 FP+

[kkgunn]

Disney can't give out more than 3 FP+ per person per day. If they did, on busy days, only people with FP+ would be able to ride.

I was at MK last Wed. and it was busy. Being an offsite guest, got my 3 FP+'s at a kiosk (really a pain, they need to open the app to everyone who has entered the park) after I entered at rope drop. Used 2 of the 3. Walked on rides before noon. Waited in lines mid afternoon and used my FP+'s.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I don't understand your logic. Before the new system, the number of FastPasses someone could get per day was only limited to his or her ingenuity. I've done 5 or 6 in a day before. Others here have done more.

What's different now that there physically has to be a limit of 3 before the system breaks down?

 

[kkgunn]

More people use the FP system if they can do it from their computer or phone. Less people ran around gathering up paper tickets. Standby lines for the "E" tickets rides got so long. If more FP's were given out they would be unbearable

 

[asmit4]

Generally speaking the issue is laziness....the new system of getting FPs is 'easy'...before your 'ingenuity' required you to know the FP system VERY well, know what was and what was not connected to the main system, and be willing and able to run around to each spot to get your FPs in a specific fashion.

The problem is- US Diser's are rockstars....and we knew how to 'game' the system. It was all entirely legal and we often used 5 or 6 FPs in a day, sometimes more.

Now this new system has put us all on a level playing field and it stinks. NO more 'ingenuity'....everyone gets 'the same' and it STINKS!

 

[Bullseye]

Disney can't give out more than 3 FP+ per person per day. If they did, on busy days, only people with FP+ would be able to ride.

I was at MK last Wed. and it was busy. Being an offsite guest, got my 3 FP+'s at a kiosk (really a pain, they need to open the app to everyone who has entered the park) after I entered at rope drop. Used 2 of the 3. Walked on rides before noon. Waited in lines mid afternoon and used my FP+'s.

Giving out more than three doesn't really matter anyway with the tiers. Who cares if you get one more FP if it's for something you probably don't need one for.

 

[kkgunn]

They've already got people buying Disney property hotel rooms they aren't staying in just to make ride reservations 2 months ahead of time.

Sorta sucks the fun right out of it.

 

[mmbl]

Generally speaking the issue is laziness....the new system of getting FPs is 'easy'...before your 'ingenuity' required you to know the FP system VERY well, know what was and what was not connected to the main system, and be willing and able to run around to each spot to get your FPs in a specific fashion. The problem is- US Diser's are rockstars....and we knew how to 'game' the system. It was all entirely legal and we often used 5 or 6 FPs in a day, sometimes more. Now this new system has put us all on a level playing field and it stinks. NO more 'ingenuity'....everyone gets 'the same' and it STINKS!

It's the 'new world.' We all have to be the same; ie. 'equal' - results even if we are different, plan different, go more often, learned the system, etc. IMHO : This new social order of making us all the same (equal) ~ sucks! We are not renewing our premium annual passes when they expire. My money will go to visit more places on my 'bucket list.' Sad, but Disney screwed this up- ROYALLY!

 

[LilyWDW]

Disney can't give out more than 3 FP+ per person per day. If they did, on busy days, only people with FP+ would be able to ride.

I was at MK last Wed. and it was busy. Being an offsite guest, got my 3 FP+'s at a kiosk (really a pain, they need to open the app to everyone who has entered the park) after I entered at rope drop. Used 2 of the 3. Walked on rides before noon. Waited in lines mid afternoon and used my FP+'s.

Not sure where you get the idea that "only people with FP+ would get to ride" even if they allowed more FP+ to be booked. There is still a limited number of FP+ per attraction.

 

[mom2rtk]

I don't understand your logic. Before the new system, the number of FastPasses someone could get per day was only limited to his or her ingenuity. I've done 5 or 6 in a day before. Others here have done more.

What's different now that there physically has to be a limit of 3 before the system breaks down?

What slowed down distribution previously is that you had to be IN the park AT the ride kiosk to access FP. The easier you make it, the more people avail themselves of it.

Not sure where you get the idea that "only people with FP+ would get to ride" even if they allowed more FP+ to be booked. There is still a limited number of FP+ per attraction.

It's all a matter of degree. How much of the ride's daily capacity being taken up by FP is optimal? 50%? 60%? FP is rumored to currently account for 70-90% of a ride's capacity. Most believe that when rollout of this program started (back in March 2012 with enforcement of times for FP) that Disney started experimenting with different levels of FP distribution in an effort to get the most out of FP.

 

[magicbob]

Not sure where you get the idea that "only people with FP+ would get to ride" even if they allowed more FP+ to be booked. There is still a limited number of FP+ per attraction.

In order to increase the number of FP+ given to each guest, they would have to increase the number of FP+ available per attraction. This, in turn, would result in a ratio of FP:SB that favors FP even more than now. Eventually, they could get to the point where the ride's capacity could only handle the number of FPs given out. I doubt they would go to that extreme, which is why OP contends they cannot increase the number of FPs given to each guest. Those additional FP+s would have to come from somewhere and that somewhere would be more FP+ and less SB.

 

[alicat8]

I bet if they made it 4, it wouldn't make THAT much difference

 

[ilovemk76]

What slowed down distribution previously is that you had to be IN the park AT the ride kiosk to access FP. The easier you make it, the more people avail themselves of it.



It's all a matter of degree. How much of the ride's daily capacity being taken up by FP is optimal? 50%? 60%? FP is rumored to currently account for 70-90% of a ride's capacity. Most believe that when rollout of this program started (back in March 2012 with enforcement of times for FP) that Disney started experimenting with different levels of FP distribution in an effort to get the most out of FP.

One way to get the best from both FP systems, is to allow the pre-booking of one FP+ and then you can get more once you enter the park. They could even do it where you could only have one at a time and then once it expired, you could use your phone or the kiosk to get another.

 

[mom2rtk]

One way to get the best from both FP systems, is to allow the pre-booking of one FP+ and then you can get more once you enter the park. They could even do it where you could only have one at a time and then once it expired, you could use your phone or the kiosk to get another.

I agree with that. I have favored model like this since the test rolled out. It's really the only way to put the FP genie *mostly* back into the bottle. The benefit to guests is that they won't feel so "locked in". The reason Disney won't do it is because guests won't be so "locked in".

 

[Marionnette]

One way to get the best from both FP systems, is to allow the pre-booking of one FP+ and then you can get more once you enter the park. They could even do it where you could only have one at a time and then once it expired, you could use your phone or the kiosk to get another.

The FP+ kiosk lines are very long right now (think 20 minute waits -or more- in many locations). It makes no sense for people to have to queue up for 2 more FP+ after entering the park when they can schedule 3 in advance now. It would be especially bad if you could only get one at a time and had to queue up again and again for each separate selection. If I had to wait 20 minutes in line to obtain one FP+, I might as well just join the standby line for that attraction and take my chances that the posted wait time is correct. IMO, your suggestion would be a step backwards.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

The funny thing is that the guest that are most willing and have the know how to use the new system are the repeat guest but there are a many of those exact guest that are turned off by the new system and being "locked in". Disney may find that some of their most loyal guest will refuse to be "locked in" or will be "locked in" less often than in the past.

I have been amazed on the amount of AP holders that I see saying they will not renew their pass once it expires. I just hope they are all letting Disney know why they won't.

 

[mom2rtk]

The FP+ kiosk lines are very long right now (think 20 minute waits -or more- in many locations). It makes no sense for people to have to queue up for 2 more FP+ after entering the park when they can schedule 3 in advance now. It would be especially bad if you could only get one at a time and had to queue up again and again for each separate selection. If I had to wait 20 minutes in line to obtain one FP+, I might as well just join the standby line for that attraction and take my chances that the posted wait time is correct. IMO, your suggestion would be a step backwards.

That will change. Eventually everyone will be able to use the app. That will leave only those without smart phones to use the kiosks.

 

[Marionnette]

That will change. Eventually everyone will be able to use the app. That will leave only those without smart phones to use the kiosks.

That's wishful thinking since nothing is a definite thing right now as far as Disney is concerned. It's all in a "testing" phase. Perhaps that might be the ultimate goal, but I don't think that it will be on the front burner for quite a while.

I'm still hopeful that things will improve as testing continues. This past week at Disney didn't leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling about FP+. I liked the Magic Band for everything else (getting into my room, charging back to my room, not having to pull out tickets every time I entered a park or redeemed a FP+). I just don't care for the way FP+ is structured right now and I don't think that limiting everyone to 1 pre-selected FP+ and then making them wait until it has been redeemed in order to select another is an improvement to the system.

 

[morethananyonex]

That's wishful thinking since nothing is a definite thing right now as far as Disney is concerned. It's all in a "testing" phase. Perhaps that might be the ultimate goal, but I don't think that it will be on the front burner for quite a while. I'm still hopeful that things will improve as testing continues. This past week at Disney didn't leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling about FP+. I liked the Magic Band for everything else (getting into my room, charging back to my room, not having to pull out tickets every time I entered a park or redeemed a FP+). I just don't care for the way FP+ is structured right now and I don't think that limiting everyone to 1 pre-selected FP+ and then making them wait until it has been redeemed in order to select another is an improvement to the system.

It's not wishful thinking. Some offsite guests are currently being given pre booking abilities as part of the test. There's no reason to think that test won't expand to all offsite guests, just like every other aspect of testing eventually opened up to the whole group.

Locking out offsite guests from pre booking conflicts with Disney's FP+ goals, which is to lock everyone in.

ETA: The ones who are given this ability are using MDE.

 

[mom2rtk]

That's wishful thinking since nothing is a definite thing right now as far as Disney is concerned. It's all in a "testing" phase. Perhaps that might be the ultimate goal, but I don't think that it will be on the front burner for quite a while.

I'm still hopeful that things will improve as testing continues. This past week at Disney didn't leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling about FP+. I liked the Magic Band for everything else (getting into my room, charging back to my room, not having to pull out tickets every time I entered a park or redeemed a FP+). I just don't care for the way FP+ is structured right now and I don't think that limiting everyone to 1 pre-selected FP+ and then making them wait until it has been redeemed in order to select another is an improvement to the system.

What is this world come to when I'm accused of being too hopeful for FP+?

 

[Marionnette]

It's not wishful thinking. Some offsite guests are currently being given pre booking abilities as part of the test. There's no reason to think that test won't expand to all offsite guests, just like every other aspect of testing eventually opened up to the whole group.

Locking out offsite guests from pre booking conflicts with Disney's FP+ goals, which is to lock everyone in.

ETA: The ones who are given this ability are using MDE.

But it is still a test, just like everything else that is being done with FP+. Yes, I do understand that it is in line with Disney's ultimate goal of locking everyone into their system, but I also know that when something is a "test" it is also subject to change or cancellation.

I also understand that only allowing one FP+ per person for pre-booking and then having guests make their other 2 choices on the fly after they have entered the park, as the PP suggested, is in direct conflict with Disney's goal to "lock everyone in".