The VGF 2 pricing thread

[Sandisw]

The difference is BLT is not being actively marketed. No matter what, those sales will be small relative to DVC as a whole.

They will be but if we see a spike in sales compare to previous it may give us a hint on what to expect.

 

[Ssplashhmtn]

I disagree.

I suspect that very few people who spend that much for a GF room would buy VGF points at all.

Those who do buy into DVC and want VGF are probably more like us, can't pop off for a GF stay any old time because they simply don't have that much money.

We loved staying at the GF and finally decided that it was ridiculous to keep laying out wads of money for a week there every year when we could break even on VGF in a few years--and then feel like our room cost nothing.

Neither you nor we are typical GF hotel guests.

I truly don't think the majority of GF guests are interested in VGF. They don't need to be.

I feel sure I’m a typical GF guest after spending weeks there, annually, typically in RP, but why wouldn’t I take more (and better) space for less cost, all as hotel side rack rates increase every year. I don’t at all understand the thinking that the majority of DVC guests are such because they “need to be” and if they could pay rack rates, they would. Not at GF or otherwise.

 

[BeachClub2014]

Which I hope is a hint that the price will be low $200/s

My guide did say he was looking forward to talking to me on the 3rd so I am trying To infer that means I’ll be happy with the price!!!

My guide did something similar. She emailed me the other day with the "news" and wanted to schedule time for us to connect on the 3rd as her availability was booking up already.

 

[SusieQ93]

I feel sure I’m a typical GF guest after spending weeks there, annually, typically in RP, but why wouldn’t I take more (and better) space for less cost, all as hotel side rack rates increase every year. I don’t at all understand the thinking that the majority of DVC guests are such because they “need to be” and if they could pay rack rates, they would. Not at GF or otherwise.

I know that you can finance, but I think if you have the money to buy a DVC contract, you prob have the money to stay deluxe. We never stay at moderates. We are going to be new owners. With the math, I convinced my husband it was a good way to use cash because with what we’re already paying, we’ll break even in 6 or 7 years.

 

[nuhusky123]

I know that you can finance, but I think if you have the money to buy a DVC contract, you prob have the money to stay deluxe. We never stay at moderates. We are going to be new owners. With the math, I convinced my husband it was a good way to use cash because with what we’re already paying, we’ll break even in 6 or 7 years.

Going into debt to go on vacation isn’t a great decision. I’d think most people who are buying dvc today given min buy in is around $31k can afford deluxe. Perhaps back in the day when dvc was affordable this may not have been the case but let’s not forget today the minimum you have to set down is $31,000.

That’s a car, a large mortgage payment etc I find it hard to believe most who can afford this are not already deluxe clientele or used to four star accommodations

 

[Bjaiken77]

My CM told me last week that he knew pricing but could not risk losing his job since all calls are recorded.

I’m surprised this never leaks out! Disney does such a good job keeping things under wraps.

 

[Bjaiken77]

Going into debt to go on vacation isn’t a great decision. I’d think most people who are buying dvc today given min buy in is around $31k can afford deluxe. Perhaps back in the day when dvc was affordable this may not have been the case but let’s not forget today the minimum you have to set down is $31,000.

That’s a car, a large mortgage payment etc I find it hard to believe most who can afford this are not already deluxe clientele or used to four star accommodations

My personal feeling is that everyone is different. We have 350 points and have paid for them in cash. However, I would not be opposed to taking a loan. This is our hobby. I get extreme joy and pride out of being a DVC member that serves me even when I’m not at the parks. We don’t have RVs, boats, recreational vehicles, etc. As a couple, this is our thing.

The math might not work out as well in terms of savings if you finance, but that’s simply dollar and cents. That removes the emotional tie from the equation. Let’s face it, we all overpay for the magic. Don’t believe me? Go by a Coke at a Disney concession stand and tell me you are getting a good value. I pay the over priced mark up because I’m at the parks, on vacation, and want to enjoy my time away from the grind that is life.

To be clear, this not an endorsement for financing. I’m just saying everyone is different and everyone values things differently. Make the best decision for you. Know your budget and at least know the numbers. From there, make your own choice. To me, financing is a fine decision for some, especially if you can pay it off early.

 

[stwaldman]

Going into debt to go on vacation isn’t a great decision. I’d think most people who are buying dvc today given min buy in is around $31k can afford deluxe. Perhaps back in the day when dvc was affordable this may not have been the case but let’s not forget today the minimum you have to set down is $31,000.

That’s a car, a large mortgage payment etc I find it hard to believe most who can afford this are not already deluxe clientele or used to four star accommodations

i'll disagree on this one from personal experience, not necessarily the debt part, but the part about people who are buying dvc are used to being deluxe clientele. DVC is still a product marketed heavily (not exclusively) to young families who probably aren't used to staying at deluxes that (rightfully or wrongfully) can be sold/upsold on more premium experience for some modest financing or through a year or two of heavy saving up (we ended up joining a couple of years after actually doing the live tour). Sure, there are plenty of DVC owners who fall into the category you describe, but there are a substantial amount who don't too.

I think comparing the mentality of cash stays to DVC (and the cash vs. dvc populations of the resorts) is a bit apples to oranges in my eyes. When I booked cash stays, I would sit on the disney or costco website and have to stare at the difference between GF and coronado or a marriott property and really ask myself honestly if the 300+/night (pre-tax, to boot) savings was really worth staying at GF or poly vs. staying elsewhere, and typically i decided it wasnt. This was effectively the exact and very honest pitch from my sales guide, it was "I'm not here to save you money, I'm here to take the money you spent staying at the marriott on I4 and turn it into staying on the monorail loop, with a little loss upfront and a little gain on the back end."

DVC is a capital purchase and is an understanding that "hey, i'm not going to reap this benefit today, i'm either going to reap the benefit upon disposal or upon long term usage". There are certainly different demographics that buy into DVC, but the primary sales pitch is and typically has been to tell families "take the money you were spending on moderates and turn it into deluxes, and the math works out if you stick with it for enough years". Sure, there are also people that are used to spending $4K per trip on hotels and get sold on DVC too, but it only took 5 minutes in the SSR sales center when I was there to see what the demographic of buyer was, and lets just say most of the lovely young couples were brought from other resorts in the minnie vans : -)

 

[EYL]

I’m surprised this never leaks out! Disney does such a good job keeping things under wraps.

I think they only tell the guides the exact details the day before. I called my guide the last day of an incentive, and he implied that I should wait until the next day. Until then, he was contacting me quite often to convince me to pull the trigger.

 

[SleeplessInTO]

If a guide really wanted to tell you the price in advance, they would manage it. Call from a personal cell phone, next-day delivery mail, hiring a skywriter to put the price above your house, carrier pigeon, message in a bottle. I've seen enough movies to know the unrealistic measures that can be taken. But I hope nobody leaks it. I'm enjoying the anticipation and build up. It's like lining up for Harry Potter book release day, except I'm adding several 0's to the amount I'm planning to spend.

 

[Leight19]

I don’t recall seeing this in thread but if VGF2 opens at $207 a point what are predictions for average resale price once things settle? I was tempted to buy once this was announced but with recent changes at Disney I hesitate to give them more money. However, if we see decent discount of resale vs direct once market adjusts I would have hard time not buying a resale contract.

 

[stwaldman]

I don’t recall seeing this in thread but if VGF2 opens at $207 a point what are predictions for average resale price once things settle? I was tempted to buy once this was announced but with recent changes at Disney I hesitate to give them more money. However, if we see decent discount of resale vs direct once market adjusts I would have hard time not buying a resale contract.

I would think that resale might fall into a "just below" copper creek or BLT if they are selling it at $207 (and no huge incentives) The comparative direct price (assuming no big incentives on the other resorts as well) will drive it below those two, but I'm not sure it would drop much below that because the location and contract length still gives it a leg up on the resort selling generally below $150pp.

edited to note i'm using the board sponsor for average resale price, which puts BLT and CCV in the high 160s right now.

 

[Sandisw]

I’m surprised this never leaks out! Disney does such a good job keeping things under wraps.

CMs are a loyal bunch! They don’t share things even when they leave!!!

 

[nuhusky123]

CMs are a loyal bunch! They don’t share things even when they leave!!!

Who wants to get fired and sued by Disney, I wouldn’t break my nda and risk my income

 

[Sandisw]

I don’t recall seeing this in thread but if VGF2 opens at $207 a point what are predictions for average resale price once things settle? I was tempted to buy once this was announced but with recent changes at Disney I hesitate to give them more money. However, if we see decent discount of resale vs direct once market adjusts I would have hard time not buying a resale contract.

I think it will tremd down especially for the larger contrasts. Under 100 points may not be impacted.

But for 150 or higher? It could be worth the extra to have unrestricted points and be eligible for whatever membership extras that exist from time to time.

 

[Sandisw]

Who wants to get fired and sued by Disney, I wouldn’t break my nda and risk my income

But even after they stay loyal. My DD was part of the groups involved in sending out those elusive pin codes to cash guests and to this day still won’t spill!!!!! Lol

 

[nuhusky123]

But even after they stay loyal. My DD was part of the groups involved in sending out those elusive pin codes to cash guests and to this day still won’t spill!!!!! Lol

An NDA extends post employment, being on the hook for millions in damages can put the fear of god in you

 

[Sandisw]

An NDA extends post employment, being on the hook for millions in damages can put the fear of god in you

My DD did not sign an NDA…that I know for sure…and before you say it..she would have said if that is the reason…she said it’s just an unwritten commitment to the magic.

 

[rubybutt]

But even after they stay loyal. My DD was part of the groups involved in sending out those elusive pin codes to cash guests and to this day still won’t spill!!!!! Lol

I don't know what the pin codes were. Care to tell me?

 

[nuhusky123]

My DD did not sign an NDA…that I know for sure…and before you say it..she would have said if that is the reason…she said it’s just an unwritten commitment to the magic.

I’d be shocked, fall off chair shocked if Disney doesn’t have NDA language in their employment docs. It might not be an explicit NDA as a separate doc but likely in the employment docs she signed

no public large company in the USA doesn’t have an NDA in place with their employees