The VGF 2 pricing thread

[BrianLo]

Now that Boardwalk is $230 pp direct, I HIGHLY doubt that VGF will be offered for the ridiculous price people here have stated ($207 - $210). Imagine that pitch...... BWV is $230 with only 20 yrs left but you can have VGF for the low low bargain price of $207 (with incentives) and it goes till 2062...... YEA RIGHT

They aren’t trying to pitch BWV.

Disney is buying BWV for up to 140$ based on ROFR and eating closing costs. They are then reselling them direct for 230$. It’s a spread of 90$ a point at the best of times.

207 is only absurd if it costs Disney >100$ Per point for VGF, which it most assuredly does not. They make far more money selling you their new DVC than an old one and even better, they have convinced everyone it’s ‘too good to be true’.

 

[DVCsloth]

Now that Boardwalk is $230 pp direct, I HIGHLY doubt that VGF will be offered for the ridiculous price people here have stated ($207 - $210). Imagine that pitch...... BWV is $230 with only 20 yrs left but you can have VGF for the low low bargain price of $207 (with incentives) and it goes till 2062...... YEA RIGHT

Not quite following, do you think it will be priced lower than Riviera?

 

[Nabas]

Now that Boardwalk is $230 pp direct, I HIGHLY doubt that VGF will be offered for the ridiculous price people here have stated ($207 - $210). Imagine that pitch...... BWV is $230 with only 20 yrs left but you can have VGF for the low low bargain price of $207 (with incentives) and it goes till 2062...... YEA RIGHT

You’re missing the point, already made on this thread, that a sold-out resort like BWV typically sells only around 2000 points per month. People who buy at BWV buy there for very specific reasons. Many (most?) already own there and are simply looking to add to their existing contracts.

For VGF2 to be successful, Disney will have to sell at least 80,000 points per month, 40 times that number.

There’s a reason the brand new RIV is being sold for $207 per month. Even at that price (and with discounts for larger contracts), RIV sales are weak. This most likely is due to reduced attendance caused by COVID.

COVID will still be with us when VGF2 is released for sale. The reality is that Disney cannot be overly aggressive with VGF2 pricing until theme park attendance returns to normal, which doesn’t happen until everyone feels safe traveling to WDW.

Then there’s inflation, which is far outpacing income. As a result, people have less disposable income to spend on nonessentials like DVC.

Taking into account multiple factors, $207 is not a ridiculous price at all.

Months ago, I predicted $210 to $225. Increasingly, it’s looking like my prediction is too high.

 

[Sandisw]

Now that Boardwalk is $230 pp direct, I HIGHLY doubt that VGF will be offered for the ridiculous price people here have stated ($207 - $210). Imagine that pitch...... BWV is $230 with only 20 yrs left but you can have VGF for the low low bargain price of $207 (with incentives) and it goes till 2062...... YEA RIGHT

They don’t price sold out resorts to sell. They price them so only a die hard for that resort will want them because they don’t keep 2 million points in stock..which is what VGF will have.

VGF is not competing against those resorts. It will be for sale along with RIV. So those are the two that will be discussed, not BWV or BCV. Most new buyers won’t ever know those can be bought.

Guides want to sell and having the two main resorts close in prices allows them to do that by promoting pros of both!!

We shall see…hopefully soon. I think if it comes out near sold out prices, it will struggle to sell.

And I can’t think of a reason why they stopped sales at $255 if they plan to price close to that. They could have continued current sales and just kept ROFR up there to fill it.

 

[DVCsloth]

I'm leaning towards VGF2 being the same as Riviera $207 and they will probably add some decent incentives for larger purchases.

 

[SleeplessInTO]

I hope it does come in at $207 with some incentives to bring it down. It’ll be in active sales vs Aulani and Riviera so that doesn’t seem too unreasonable to me.
No idea why but this is the only resort I’m tempted to buy direct via Disney. And I’ve never even stayed at Grand Floridian! Their constant efforts to make me feel like a 4th class citizen with no ability to borrow points online must be working

 

[DVCsloth]

I hope it does come in at $207 with some incentives to bring it down. It’ll be in active sales vs Aulani and Riviera so that doesn’t seem too unreasonable to me.
No idea why but this is the only resort I’m tempted to buy direct via Disney. And I’ve never even stayed at Grand Floridian! Their constant efforts to make me feel like a 4th class citizen with no ability to borrow points online must be working

I think this will be a good time to consider a direct purchase. VGF is just a great all-around resort. Makes sense to price it the same as Riviera and offer some decent incentives to give it a good kick start. There will probably be some pretty good resale contracts available as well, but this is a good opportunity to purchase non restricted points.

 

[Nabas]

I hope it does come in at $207 with some incentives to bring it down. It’ll be in active sales vs Aulani and Riviera so that doesn’t seem too unreasonable to me.
No idea why but this is the only resort I’m tempted to buy direct via Disney. And I’ve never even stayed at Grand Floridian! Their constant efforts to make me feel like a 4th class citizen with no ability to borrow points online must be working

We bought at VGF1 recently exactly because we decided we wanted to be able to stay there once a year, and there was no way to assure this without owning there, especially for the months that require fewer points.

We typically only spend 3 or 4 hours per day at the theme parks, so having a resort we can relax at is very important to us. We enjoy the VGF pools and think they have a decent food court. We also like waking up there and having coffee on the balcony.

 

[Jimmy Geppetto]

They don’t price sold out resorts to sell. They price them so only a die hard for that resort will want them because they don’t keep 2 million points in stock..which is what VGF will have.

VGF is not competing against those resorts. It will be for sale along with RIV. So those are the two that will be discussed, not BWV or BCV. Most new buyers won’t ever know those can be bought.

Guides want to sell and having the two main resorts close in prices allows them to do that by promoting pros of both!!

We shall see…hopefully soon. I think if it comes out near sold out prices, it will struggle to sell.

And I can’t think of a reason why they stopped sales at $255 if they plan to price close to that. They could have continued current sales and just kept ROFR up there to fill it.

Agree 100%!

And the guides will also be saying “this resort was selling at $255pp last year and had a wait list!”

And many who don’t understand the economics or don’t think supply matters will feel the new price is a great deal.

Hurry up Disney and take my money!! Give us some news!

 

[Sandisw]

Agree 100%!

And the guides will also be saying “this resort was selling at $255pp last year and had a wait list!”

And many who don’t understand the economics or don’t think supply matters will feel the new price is a great deal.

Hurry up Disney and take my money!! Give us some news!

I didn’t think of that aspect..that it can promote the reduced price…and I do think if this goes well, we will see more of this at other places..until they can build new.

 

[Einstein509]

Now that Boardwalk is $230 pp direct, I HIGHLY doubt that VGF will be offered for the ridiculous price people here have stated ($207 - $210). Imagine that pitch...... BWV is $230 with only 20 yrs left but you can have VGF for the low low bargain price of $207 (with incentives) and it goes till 2062...... YEA RIGHT

I know I'm in the minority here, but I agree with Jelly. This is Disney's flagship resort, top of the line. You can't compare it with Riviera. Riviera doesn't even come close. We're talking location (walk to MK, monorail), grandeur, dining options (also walk to Poly). There's so much more at the Floridian than there's at Riviera.

So with that said, it's very likely the price will be higher than $207. Probably not as high as the $255 direct, but certainly not the same price as Riviera. Disney likely knows there's demand for VGF based on direct sales so they will price it accordingly. I'm thinking it's going to be somewhere around $220.

Again, it's their flagship resort, why would they sell it at the same price as Riviera? That would "cheapen the brand." There's a reason VGF was the highest priced resort for direct sales.

 

[Nabas]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I agree with Jelly. This is Disney's flagship resort, top of the line. You can't compare it with Riviera. Riviera doesn't even come close. We're talking location (walk to MK, monorail), grandeur, dining options (also walk to Poly). There's so much more at the Floridian than there's at Riviera.

So with that said, it's very likely the price will be higher than $207. Probably not as high as the $255 direct, but certainly not the same price as Riviera. Disney likely knows there's demand for VGF based on direct sales so they will price it accordingly. I'm thinking it's going to be somewhere around $220.

Again, it's their flagship resort, why would they sell it at the same price as Riviera? That would "cheapen the brand." There's a reason VGF was the highest priced resort for direct sales.

The Riviera is on the Skyliner, which Disney has been marketing hard. The Skyliner is in one of their current ads (and one that I see on TV all the time), with the RIV prominently appearing:




The Skyliner places the RIV within easy reach of two theme parks.

Look at the Riviera point chart. It's just as expensive as VGF or PVB. Disney is selling RIV as if it's just as good as a Monorail Resort. Do you think they really want to position RIV as inferior by selling VGF2 for more?

Disney spent tens-of-millions tearing down Caribbean Beach Resort and building the RIV from scratch:





VGF2 is a quick turnaround of a 34 year-old building. Based on information released so far, Big Pine Key will get a paint job and new furniture & carpeting.

Having stayed at both VGF and RIV in 2021, RIV is a nice facility, on par with the Grand Floridian. Newer everything at RIV and no need to walk outside to reach the lobby or food court. The RIV has a very nice pool and an excellent restaurant on the top floor.

Rumor is that the Grand Floridian may not be the flagship in a few years. The Four Seasons already has put the Grand Floridian to shame (that's where those who want real luxury stay), and Disney is trying to determine if they can build a new resort on this plot of land to rival the Four Seasons (if they can economically solve its bedrock issues):




I just don't see VGF2 selling for more than RIV.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I agree with Jelly. This is Disney's flagship resort, top of the line. You can't compare it with Riviera. Riviera doesn't even come close. We're talking location (walk to MK, monorail), grandeur, dining options (also walk to Poly). There's so much more at the Floridian than there's at Riviera.

So with that said, it's very likely the price will be higher than $207. Probably not as high as the $255 direct, but certainly not the same price as Riviera. Disney likely knows there's demand for VGF based on direct sales so they will price it accordingly. I'm thinking it's going to be somewhere around $220.

Again, it's their flagship resort, why would they sell it at the same price as Riviera? That would "cheapen the brand." There's a reason VGF was the highest priced resort for direct sales.

Riviera was intended to be the other flagship, at the same level as VGF. At least that’s what they told all of us.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

The Four Seasons already has put the Grand Floridian to shame

There’s no comparing the two. Grand Floridian (like all of the Deluxe resorts) is a 3-4 Star hotel (in the amenities sense), and Four Seasons is a top of the line 5 Star hotel. Disney doesn’t appear to be even trying to compete for that tier.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

They don’t price sold out resorts to sell. They price them so only a die hard for that resort will want them because they don’t keep 2 million points in stock..which is what VGF will have.

VGF is not competing against those resorts. It will be for sale along with RIV. So those are the two that will be discussed, not BWV or BCV. Most new buyers won’t ever know those can be bought.

Guides want to sell and having the two main resorts close in prices allows them to do that by promoting pros of both!!

We shall see…hopefully soon. I think if it comes out near sold out prices, it will struggle to sell.

And I can’t think of a reason why they stopped sales at $255 if they plan to price close to that. They could have continued current sales and just kept ROFR up there to fill it.

This gives me some hope for DLT

 

[DVCsloth]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I agree with Jelly. This is Disney's flagship resort, top of the line. You can't compare it with Riviera. Riviera doesn't even come close. We're talking location (walk to MK, monorail), grandeur, dining options (also walk to Poly). There's so much more at the Floridian than there's at Riviera.

So with that said, it's very likely the price will be higher than $207. Probably not as high as the $255 direct, but certainly not the same price as Riviera. Disney likely knows there's demand for VGF based on direct sales so they will price it accordingly. I'm thinking it's going to be somewhere around $220.

Again, it's their flagship resort, why would they sell it at the same price as Riviera? That would "cheapen the brand." There's a reason VGF was the highest priced resort for direct sales.

Riviera is such an awesome resort, love the Skyliner! Easy access to 2 parks, rooms seem very similar to VGF, except newer and possibly a little nicer in some ways. VGF is my home resort and my personal favorite. Not sure if I will add on though because of the Studio only option, which will be a positive for a lot of people. If we do add on it will most likely be additional CCV.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

This gives me some hope for DLT

I am far more certain that DLV will be line priced with Riviera and Aulani than I am VGF. If VGF is line priced you can take it to the bank that DLV will be.

 

[Jwaire]

Again, it's their flagship resort, why would they sell it at the same price as Riviera? That would "cheapen the brand." There's a reason VGF was the highest priced resort for direct sales.

My curmudgeon take. Grand Floridian has lost some of its luster and they're having trouble filling the rooms. The shiny new Skyliner is pushing people to want to stay at Rivera/Art of Animation and enjoy quick access to TWO parks and their new IP attractions (hello Galaxy's Edge, Guardian's of the Galaxy, Ratatouille and Frozen). I don't think they care if they sell out Rivera anytime soon. What they're getting per night on the cash side is astonishing.

Disney also wants to cut costs because of housekeeping ($17 per hour starting pay) and rising maintenance expenses (GF was built in the 80's), so they're converting it to DVC.

They're going to have to move millions of points, and from what we've seen, this is going to be a fast turnaround (otherwise known as cheap flip). I think they'll price it very similar to Rivera and maybe even lower with bonuses, add-on and minimum incentives.

Edit: Nabas beat me to it!

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

My curmudgeon take. Grand Floridian has lost some of its luster and they're having trouble filling the rooms. The shiny new Skyliner is pushing people to want to stay at Rivera/Art of Animation and enjoy quick access to TWO parks and their new IP attractions (hello Galaxy's Edge, Guardian's of the Galaxy, Ratatouille and Frozen). I don't think they care if they sell out Rivera anytime soon. What they're getting per night on the cash side is astonishing.

Disney also wants to cut costs because of housekeeping ($17 per hour starting pay) and rising maintenance expenses (GF was built in the 80's), so they're converting it to DVC.

I don’t think that’s a curmudgeon take I think that’s basically exactly what’s happening!

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I am far more certain that DLV will be line priced with Riviera and Aulani than I am VGF. If VGF is line priced you can take it to the bank that DLV will be.

I don’t know. Anaheim is a different animal compared to Orlando. There are 14 resorts to choose from in Orlando. In Anaheim, there is only one. And because of the stifling politics, DLT will probably be it’s last DVC for a long time. Also, DLT is 2-3 years away, which means 2-3 more years of inflation. Maybe I‘m just girding my loins a bit too much.