The Values-Vote Myth

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neatly disected by David Brooks in the New York Times:

OP-ED COLUMNIST
The Values-Vote Myth
By DAVID BROOKS

Published: November 6, 2004

Every election year, we in the commentariat come up with a story line to explain the result, and the story line has to have two features. First, it has to be completely wrong. Second, it has to reassure liberals that they are morally superior to the people who just defeated them.

In past years, the story line has involved Angry White Males, or Willie Horton-bashing racists. This year, the official story is that throngs of homophobic, Red America values-voters surged to the polls to put George Bush over the top.

This theory certainly flatters liberals, and it is certainly wrong.

Here are the facts. As Andrew Kohut of the Pew Research Center points out, there was no disproportionate surge in the evangelical vote this year. Evangelicals made up the same share of the electorate this year as they did in 2000. There was no increase in the percentage of voters who are pro-life. Sixteen percent of voters said abortions should be illegal in all circumstances. There was no increase in the percentage of voters who say they pray daily.

It's true that Bush did get a few more evangelicals to vote Republican, but Kohut, whose final poll nailed the election result dead-on, reminds us that public opinion on gay issues over all has been moving leftward over the years. Majorities oppose gay marriage, but in the exit polls Tuesday, 25 percent of the voters supported gay marriage and 35 percent of voters supported civil unions. There is a big middle on gay rights issues, as there is on most social issues.

Much of the misinterpretation of this election derives from a poorly worded question in the exit polls. When asked about the issue that most influenced their vote, voters were given the option of saying "moral values." But that phrase can mean anything - or nothing. Who doesn't vote on moral values? If you ask an inept question, you get a misleading result.

The reality is that this was a broad victory for the president. Bush did better this year than he did in 2000 in 45 out of the 50 states. He did better in New York, Connecticut and, amazingly, Massachusetts. That's hardly the Bible Belt. Bush, on the other hand, did not gain significantly in the 11 states with gay marriage referendums.

He won because 53 percent of voters approved of his performance as president. Fifty-eight percent of them trust Bush to fight terrorism. They had roughly equal confidence in Bush and Kerry to handle the economy. Most approved of the decision to go to war in Iraq. Most see it as part of the war on terror.

The fact is that if you think we are safer now, you probably voted for Bush. If you think we are less safe, you probably voted for Kerry. That's policy, not fundamentalism. The upsurge in voters was an upsurge of people with conservative policy views, whether they are religious or not.

The red and blue maps that have been popping up in the papers again this week are certainly striking, but they conceal as much as they reveal. I've spent the past four years traveling to 36 states and writing millions of words trying to understand this values divide, and I can tell you there is no one explanation. It's ridiculous to say, as some liberals have this week, that we are perpetually refighting the Scopes trial, with the metro forces of enlightenment and reason arrayed against the retro forces of dogma and reaction.

In the first place, there is an immense diversity of opinion within regions, towns and families. Second, the values divide is a complex layering of conflicting views about faith, leadership, individualism, American exceptionalism, suburbia, Wal-Mart, decorum, economic opportunity, natural law, manliness, bourgeois virtues and a zillion other issues.

But the same insularity that caused many liberals to lose touch with the rest of the country now causes them to simplify, misunderstand and condescend to the people who voted for Bush. If you want to understand why Democrats keep losing elections, just listen to some coastal and university town liberals talk about how conformist and intolerant people in Red America are. It makes you wonder: why is it that people who are completely closed-minded talk endlessly about how open-minded they are?

What we are seeing is a diverse but stable Republican coalition gradually eclipsing a diverse and stable Democratic coalition. Social issues are important, but they don't come close to telling the whole story. Some of the liberal reaction reminds me of a phrase I came across recently: The rage of the drowning man.
 
"Bush did better this year than he did in 2000 in 45 out of the 50 states. He did better in New York, Connecticut and, amazingly, Massachusetts. ."

And Kerry did better than Gore and Bush in those places also.
Bottom line - more people voted this election.

More people voted against Bush this time than last time also.

Bush got the largest amount of votes ever in a Presidential election.

Guess who got the 2nd largest EVER? Kerry!


The myth is simply that people who voted for Bush have stronger morals.
 
And Kerry did better than Gore and Bush in those places also.

I haven't looked at the numbers from 2000 and 2004, but my bet is that Bush got a higher percentage this year in the states that were mentioned than he did in 2000. And that would indeed mean that he did better in those states.
 

Originally posted by BuckNaked
I haven't looked at the numbers from 2000 and 2004, but my bet is that Bush got a higher percentage this year in the states that were mentioned than he did in 2000. And that would indeed mean that he did better in those states.

I think you're correct, Buck. I did some calculations early in the morning, on Wednesday, because it sure looked to me like the trend was that many of the blue states got paler this time around. I'm not going to go through the exercise again, because Lauri would obviously rather just be spoon-fed garbage from the mainstream media. Oh well...
 
Bottom line - more people voted this election.

Bottom line - Bush made gains in the states, just as the author stated.

CT:

2000 - 38.4% 2004 - 44%

MA:

2000 - 32.5% 2004 - 37%

NY:

2000 - 32.5% 2004 - 40.5%
 
Originally posted by bsnyder


But the same insularity that caused many liberals to lose touch with the rest of the country now causes them to simplify, misunderstand and condescend to the people who voted for Bush. If you want to understand why Democrats keep losing elections, just listen to some coastal and university town liberals talk about how conformist and intolerant people in Red America are. It makes you wonder: why is it that people who are completely closed-minded talk endlessly about how open-minded they are?

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Those statements captures my sentiments exactly, bet. Thanks for a thought-provoking piece.
 
While I don't disagree with the stats, I disagree with the target. The MEDIA talked endlessly about the Bush moral vote...not the Democrats. I looked around and tried to figure out who made that judgment. It certainly wasn't me or anyone else I know no matter who they voted for. They hype caused a reaction that was outrage. I can't blame the outrage....it put people on the offensive about their own morals and ethics, Bush's, Kerry's and the population of the US.
 
Originally posted by gina2000
While I don't disagree with the stats, I disagree with the target. The MEDIA talked endlessly about the Bush moral vote...not the Democrats. I looked around and tried to figure out who made that judgment. It certainly wasn't me or anyone else I know no matter who they voted for. They hype caused a reaction that was outrage. I can't blame the outrage....it put people on the offensive about their own morals and ethics, Bush's, Kerry's and the population of the US.

So we should conclude what? That the liberals are spoonfed hype by the media and they buy into it "hook, line and sinker?"

And if that is the conclusion, what should be the reaction of the Bush voters to the misguided outrage?
 
Bush Won :D

Kerry Lost:(

More people voted for Bush than Kerry.

Deal with it.
 
Originally posted by stevenpensacola
Bush Won :D

Kerry Lost:(

More people voted for Bush than Kerry.

Deal with it.

That would have been so much more effective if you'd included a smiley blowing a raspberry to end the post...
 
A voter speaks about the Values-Vote Myth:

How You Could Have Had My Vote
It's been two days since John Kerry conceded, and all I am seeing, hearing and reading from the Democratic party is that you guys think you lost on "moral values." You seem to think this means nothing more than opposition to gay marriage. You seem to think that Bush voters waited in line for hours to stick it to the queers, to tell those ******s how much we hate them!

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Many Bush voters, like myself, were not happy to be voting for the President's re-election. Many Bush voters agonized over our decision and cast our vote in fear, trepidation, and trembling. Many of us would have given our left arms for a Democrat we could have supported.

Because I am too young to be as disillusioned as I am, and because I know that one-party rule is not good for my country, and because it is my deepest wish to see the Democratic party change into one I can give my whole-hearted support, I am going to explain why you didn't get my vote, and how you can get it in the future.

First, for context, let me give you a bit about my perspective: I am a single, heterosexual, college-educated woman in my late 20's with an annual income of about $30,000. I live in a solidly red state in the South, the region you guys wrote off entirely without even trying to persuade us to vote for you. I am not an ideologue, and I experience painful ambivalence about many political issues. The notion of an abortion makes me queasy, but I don't want Roe vs. Wade overturned. I have friends who've been impregnated by rape and friends who found out late in their third trimesters that they were carrying babies too malformed to ever have normal lives. The pictures of Iraqi children who've lost arms from the bombs my tax dollars bought make me shed tears, but I recognize that the war was the right thing to do, given the information we had available at the time the decision was made. I had no health insurance for three years, but I'm still, hesitantly, not in favor of socialized medicine. I know people who abuse the social services, but I also have friends who would be dead without the food stamps and SSI checks they collect each month. I believe in God and consider myself a Christian, but I don't go to church, and Falwell, Robertson, and their ilk scare me more than they scare you. I believe that in a perfect world, Roy Moore would have to live with the stench of his own ego, just like the rest of us do.

I have gay friends who are closeted and gay friends who couldn't be more open if they had QUEER tattooed across their foreheads, and I think they should be allowed to get married if they want to. I read The Onion, Dilbert, Dan Savage's sex advice, Salon.com, and quite a few blogs. The local librarians know me on sight. I waited in line until midnight when the fifth Harry Potter book came out. I can't wait to see the new Chucky movie. I will probably shack up before I get married, but I won't be proud of it. I wouldn't buy an SUV, even if I could pay cash for one. I recycle. I shop at Wal-mart, but I feel guilty about it, and if they unionized, I would never cross the picket line. I think FOX News is about as fair and balanced as a seesaw with a gorilla on one end.

President Bush's close relationships to people like John Ashcroft scare me. I hate the PATRIOT Act and am fearful of what might be part of PATRIOT II. The two dumbest trial balloons I've heard floated for his second-term agenda are privatizing Social Security and abolishing the income tax. When he says that God chose him to be President during this time of trial, I am embarrassed. I roll my eyes.

I am a pragmatic, disillusioned, realistic, and entirely ordinary member of the radical middle.

Here is why you didn't get my vote:

1. You didn't give me clear positions on the issues. I followed the news closely all through the campaign, but I still don't understand Kerry's position on Iraq. I know he voted for the IWR, but then he voted against the $87 billion. To you, that seemed to be a symbolic stand against Saddam Hussein (the IWR) but also a principled stand against a President who was out of control (against the $87 billion). To me, that was just confusing. He said he would have done everything different, but he also said that, knowing what he knew today (the day he was asked) he still would have cast the same vote. He said that he would bring allies to our side to share the burden, but he also said he would be sending 40,000 more of our troops. He said that we must finish the job, but he also said it was the wrong war at the wrong place and the wrong time. Huh?

2. You didn't convince me that you would defend America against the threats of terrorism. Kerry seemed to think that terrorism is like any other crime. You catch the people responsible and put them in jail, and that's that. After seeing the destruction – physical, financial, psychological, and emotional -- wrought by the September 11th attacks, I do not understand how he could believe this. The hijackers lived among us, ate at our restaurants, shopped in our malls, and wounded us worse than we have ever been wounded before. How Kerry saw this as a crime, and not as a paradigm-shifting event that deserved a military response, both in direct retaliation and to keep it from ever happening again by going on the offensive, is something I don't understand.

3. You insulted my intelligence by the constant mantra of Kerry's service in Vietnam. Most of the men I know who are older than 50 served in some way, either in country or in the Coast Guard or other non-combat roles. I don't see the relevance, and the drumbeat of "three purple hearts" struck me as manipulation. It was as if you were saying, "These dumb**** hawks want war? We'll give 'em a real war hero! That'll get their votes!"

4. Your constant references to the opinions of the rest of the world scared me, and I'm not talking about the "global test" comment. I don't care what Europeans think about me or my country. I learned in high school that living my life with one eye on the opinions of everyone else leads only to unnecessary turmoil and pointless pain. Why didn't you?

5. You disturbed me with your demonization of the rich. Rich people were talked about in this campaign as though they were all evil cheaters who had wage slaves tied up in the basement to be flogged for minimum wage, and what they didn't earn from the wage slaves' labor, they stole from nursing home residents. I am not rich, but I work hard, am learning about investing money, am continuing to improve my prospects for earning more money in the future, and fully expect to end up at least well-off someday. If I do, it will be because of my efforts and work, not because of winning "life's lottery." I know two millionaires personally. Both are entrepreneurs who took big risks and worked their backsides off for years to get where they are. Given that Kerry is married to a billionaire, this seemed especially hypocritical.

6. Here is something you could work on right about now: I could not stomach to listen to your incessant hatred of President Bush. Bush is stupid, Bush is an idiot, Bush is Hitler, Bush is a Nazi, Bush masturbates to photos of dead Iraqi babies, I'd vote for my dog before I'd vote for Bush, I'd vote for Castro before I'd vote for Bush, the Rethuglicans are fascists, Bush voters are treasonous, Bush should be impeached, blah blah blah blah blah blah. It was old three months after Bush's inauguration, and it's now just tiresome. I don't hate my President, even though I voted for him with more reluctance than I can express and a queasy feeling in my stomach. Language like this makes you seem immature, needlessly vulgar, and obnoxious.

7. Lastly, and I hope this doesn't hurt anyone feelings, because my objective is to make you think, not emote: I don't think you really want my vote. I actively sought out your perspective. I tuned in regularly, for months, to your biggest media project, your serious effort to get your message out: Air America Radio. I listened all day on Good Friday as host after host mocked people like me for believing in Jesus's life, death, and resurrection. I listened as Janeane Garofalo, who was one of my favorite comedians for years, expressed hatred and disgust for Bush voters so vile that I ended my live stream feeling assaulted, as if I'd been vomited on. I listened the night that Mike Malloy told a young Republican to hang up the phone and go open a vein. I listened to pure, unadulterated venom that was so intense I sometimes cut the stream and cried. Tonight, your spokespeople on AAR have been calling people like me "snake-handling evangelicals," and that was about the kindest thing I heard. Um…y'all? I've lived in the South my entire life and have never met a single snake-handler. Your attitudes, language, and behavior toward people like me: reasonable, thinking Christians who are quite moderate politically and who are just as well-informed as you are (yes, I've read all the PNAC essays, too, and yes, they scare me, too) is reminiscent of nothing so much as an abusive ex-lover, a crazy and drunken stalker. "I'll make you love me, or you'll regret it, you worthless *****! Come here and let me beat you over the head and tell you how stupid and worthless you are! Then you'll see it my way!"


I tried so hard to give you guys a chance. I'm young, I'm not extremely religious, and I'm supportive of liberal ideals like fighting for higher wages, stopping outsourcing of jobs, and standing up for the little guy. I wanted to vote Democratic this time, more than I can possibly put into words. You just didn't give me the option.

President Bush won on values, yes, but not hatred of gays or any other stereotype you have in your head about Bush voters like me.

He won because he has values, clearly defined values, and even though I agree with little of what he believes, at least I know what he believes. At least I know that he really does believe in something. At least I know that he will do what he says he will do.

That's disgustingly little, but unbelievably – you offered me less.

So, if you want my vote next time, and the vote of all my close friends, and the millions more like us that you refuse to believe exists, it's pretty simple: take positions and don't waffle on them. Stand up for America, especially with regard to terrorism. Shut up about what Germany and France think. Stop pretending that the only way to become wealthy in America is to cheat, for the sake of those of us who still want to get there. Treat the President with at least as much civility, if not respect, as you would've wanted right-wingers to give a President Kerry. Most importantly, please, please please, please, please, please stop abusing me. No more verbal and psychological and emotional savagery. Treat me like a voter whose vote you would actually appreciate getting, and you will get it.

Do you maybe, just maybe, see where I'm coming from?

I doubt it. But I had to try.


Sincerely,


A Very Sad American
 
Bet,

I saw that piece this morning and wasn't sure where to post it here. For those interested, the link is http://fromasadamerican.blogspot.com/2004/11/how-you-could-have-had-my-vote.html

Sadly (though I suppose good for the GOP), it appears that the Democrats aren't likely to take any of the points listed in the piece to heart. All indications are that they feel they don't need to change their positions... they just need to "fight" harder.
 
The media have caused a lot of heartache with this crap. And I agree with Gina, it was the media who pushed this idea of morals and votes. However, why do people believe that stuff? Why can't they shake the theory off when they know that Republicans they know certainly don't feel that way? Personally, this election has brought on a lot of pain for me anyway.:(

Interesting reads, BTW.
 
I can totally accept, appreciate and understand that letter from the Sad American . I am, however, hard-pressed to find that any of those points apply to those that have posted ad nauseum about their republican affiliation. Talk about comparing apples to oranges.:rolleyes:
 
It's funny I don't know anybody who thinks Bush won on values. That's just the media looking for a neat catch phrase to sum up the election with. I'm sure some people voted values but I think the vast majority (on both sides) voted based upon fear...not what "their guy" would do for them but what they believed the "other guy" would do to them.

Overall I believe both parties and the media think we are generally pretty stupid. Thus the media hype on values.
 
I can totally accept, appreciate and understand that letter from the Sad American . I am, however, hard-pressed to find that any of those points apply to those that have posted ad nauseum about their republican affiliation. Talk about comparing apples to oranges.
You missed the point. You are correct that none of the points in the letter above apply to partisan Bush supporters. But it's said that elections are won and lost over which way the folks in the center sway. Pull enough of them into your camp on election day and "game over". The "Sad American", and people like her, are the ones that the Democrats will need to court in order to do better next time. The media is missing the real story (again!) by fixating on the notion that it was right-wing religous nut-jobs that carried it for Bush.
 
Hmmmm. Maybe, but I don't think so. How 'bout all those Texans, mid-westerners or to make it really broad---all those that knew nothing of the facts, but voted their party line anyway. Yes, you could say that about the democrats too, but I find the lines a lot more well defined in those red states.

And for the record, I do respect the President. Or at least the office itself.
 
Originally posted by Geoff_M
You are correct that none of the points in the letter above apply to partisan Bush supporters.

I'd say that #6 applies to a whole lot of people....enthusiastic Bush voters, reluctant Bush voters and a number of Kerry voters as well.
 
Originally posted by bsnyder
So we should conclude what? That the liberals are spoonfed hype by the media and they buy into it "hook, line and sinker?"

And if that is the conclusion, what should be the reaction of the Bush voters to the misguided outrage?

No, the liberals aren't the only ones spoonfed by the press....all of us who read the press are. I'm sick and tired of being labelled as an anything. And it's even worse when half of the country is outraged at so-called labels and the other half is busy defending and deflecting those labels. It's manipulation, plain and simple.

It's time (and has been time for quite awhile), for the press to stop running with lines that sell papers, create controversy and generally distort real opinions.

If Bush supporters were smart (and I suspect more than a few of them are ;) ) they would ignore the crap. You and I both know we voted the way we voted...we all have our own opinions and priorities. Our votes are based on personal need and personal perception. Why not stand up to the press and express your disgust at labelling....on both sides?

No matter how moral I think I am..... I don't want to be labelled as part of a moral majority that disparages other people's points of views. That's an insult to my intellegence as well as to the intelligence of those who are being disparaged.

And no matter how moral I think I am....I don't want to be labelled as an elitist or misguided because I don't see eye to eye with the majority of voters.

If the issues were few in number or the answers cut and clear, I don't think this media hype would exist. Runaway elections don't sell papers.

Oh....I didn't read the second article. It's late and my brains are dead. If I read it...and see something worth ranting about , I'll be back.....;)
 


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