The Pro-Genie App discussion thread - speculate how the app could make your trip next trip great!

[crazymomof4]

you're quoting guys who are, as I've said many times, guessing. People are going to believe what they are going to believe, but there's still no evidence -

So random "guessing" about which feature you maybe will fall in love with is just fine and welcomed
but making a "guess" based on an action that has already taken place in other locations is off-the wall, unsubstantiated, no evidence, and mere click bait?

OK. Whatever you say.

I hope I'm wrong for feeling this anticipatory grief, I really do. Paying $10-25 per person, per FP is really going to be a deal breaker for our family and that will be the end of a decades long era, which of course makes me very sad. It should not be said that I and the many, many others who feel this way are without any basis for their feelings.

 

[Silver saucer]

I cant see Disneys IT system keeping up with all this.

 

[Karin1984]

Can you imagine, you pay for a fastpass, you get to the entrance and then something went wrong. The fp disappeared, never showed up. Imagine the poor CM at the fp entrance who has to deal with it. Either letting all the guests with a problem through immediately. Or can they ask guest to pull up a cc statement? Or will you get a confirmation of your purchase via email?

 

[Keyser]

Will Disney price a Lightning Pass single @$20 if they can sell 4 @$10 instead? I'm thinking the answer would be no. There's a sweet spot where the price will be just low enough to consistently sell out every time slot. With dynamic pricing, that cost-per-person can be on a sliding scale which can be adjusted up or down based on crowd size as well as length of the VQ/standby wait. But it will always be attractive enough to completely sell out.

I think this is exactly right (assuming these paid rumors are true). My wife and I have marveled over the years at how Disney is so good at hitting just the right price points to make you think that spending $X (whether for a meal, hotel, souvenir, extra park day, etc.) is just barely worth it, or barely not worth it; it's rarely an easy decision on whether that next jump up is worth the increased cost. They are going to want to price this so that they sell out however many slots they have while maximizing $ while they do it. For some customers, it might be an easy decision one way or the other, but Disney will want to get to the point where people have to really think when deciding "is it worth spending $X for our family to skip Y minutes of a line?", and just enough say "yes" that it uses up all the slots.

It's easy to see how this could adjust based on crowds, etc: if the standby line is 30 minutes, maybe a lightning pass is $5. If it's a 2 hour wait, maybe it's $25. If not enough people are buying them, they lower to $20, or if too many are, they raise to $30. This sort of thing wouldn't even be that difficult to program these days...

 

[Kbrb]

Nothing at all.

The fact im now looking to downgrade/ remove my onsite hotel for the 14 nights ive booked next year. Genie will be the bane of my life, I fly 9 hours to be stuck staring at my phone everyday (which i will have to sort out for international data) in order for it to tell me the pay up to ride Big thunder while also offering me a 30 minute wait for the magic carpets suggesting i stop off for food at sleepy hollow on the way........

Now i know what its like when other families come with us on holiday and utter the fabled words "its ok we will do what you do"

In response to paying depending on crowds? You trust these guys not to send everyone to the same attraction * bing slinky has a 30 minutes wait, bypass for $5* gets to slinky with everyone else. Its actually a 2 hour wait snaking out the land and the genie needs bribing with $30.

 

[Bearval]

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Will Disney price a Lightning Pass single @$20 if they can sell 4 @$10 instead? I'm thinking the answer would be no. There's a sweet spot where the price will be just low enough to consistently sell out every time slot. With dynamic pricing, that cost-per-person can be on a sliding scale which can be adjusted up or down based on crowd size as well as length of the VQ/standby wait. But it will always be attractive enough to completely sell out.

It will most likely be $15.00 or more per ride. They were selling 3 extra FP for $50.00 if you were staying in club level pre covid. They have all the data they need or what they know people are willing to pay.

 

[luv2cheer92]

This is what I just can't wrap my head around. I'm a sucker for every add on and upcharge I can get my hands on. After Hours? I'm in. Park Hopper? You bet. How about a dessert buffet? I'll take 2. Fireworks cruise, concierge level, Deluxe or DVC? Yes, please. But the idea that we'd pay $150 for a ride, no matter what the ride, seems absolutely crazy.

Our must rides- Space, Splash, BTMMRR, PPF, SDMT, Slinky, MMRR, FOP, Everest, Safari. Those are just the not leaving until we ride them attractions. That's 10 rides. Even at $10 each, that's $1000. And then there are a dozen or more rides that we'd presumably be standing in lines for.

I'm just going to have see that happen to believe it. If it does, we're done. While I can pay it, I won't. There's a limit to my obsession and that would be it.

$10 each would be $100, unless you are saying that you have 10 people going.

 

[Lewisc]

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It will most likely be $15.00 or more per ride. They were selling 3 extra FP for $50.00 if you were staying in club level pre covid. They have all the data they need or what they know people are willing to pay.

3 at $15 would be $45 not 50. Disney pricing is only going in one direction. $15 might be a price for lesser attractions

 

[Lewisc]

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It will most likely be $15.00 or more per ride. They were selling 3 extra FP for $50.00 if you were staying in club level pre covid. They have all the data they need or what they know people are willing to pay.

3 at $15 would be $45 not 50. Disney pricing is only going in one direction. $15 might be a price for lesser attractions

 

[Bearval]

3 at $15 would be $45 not 50. Disney pricing is only going in one direction. $15 might be a price for lesser attractions

Reread my post , it stated 15 or higher if you want to split hairs it was 16.666 ( with the 6 to infinity).

 

[Lewisc]

Reread my post , it stated 15 or higher if you want to split hairs it was 16.666 ( with the 6 to infinity).

My bad. Haven't had my first cup of Joe

 

[Cynner]

The paid fast passes are going to be on the high side and they have to be. If they were "affordable " for most then there would be no Advantages to paying for it since everyone would have it and you still have to wait in a line. I am waiting to see what guests staying on site will get. If there is no incentives to staying on site it's cost them

I really think that's it. If you stay offsite, you are saving so much money imo, you can much more easily afford paid fastpasses etc. And this is Disney's way to re-coop the lost money. But they HAVE to make it worth staying on property, or even me, a seriously hard-core 'stay in the bubble' resort guest will balance that cost increase by staying off property so that I have the extra cash for paid fast passes and after hour events to get me through the lines faster. I've already got one AirBNB week planned next year, I'd be doing more of them. $2k for a 7 bdrm house for a week vs $3k for even a moderate rm for a week? I can buy all the fastpasses I want.

 

[Bearval]

I really think that's it. If you stay offsite, you are saving so much money imo, you can much more easily afford paid fastpasses etc. And this is Disney's way to re-coop the lost money. But they HAVE to make it worth staying on property, or even me, a seriously hard-core 'stay in the bubble' resort guest will balance that cost increase by staying off property so that I have the extra cash for paid fast passes and after hour events to get me through the lines faster. I've already got one AirBNB week planned next year, I'd be doing more of them. $2k for a 7 bdrm house for a week vs $3k for even a moderate rm for a week? I can buy all the fastpasses I want.

If there is no advantage to staying on site such as 3 free FP or whatever they will be called they are going to have to offer some other incentives to fill their rooms that are at least double the rates. I agree with you. People will stay offsite and use those funds to buy the FPs.

 

[cakebaker]

$10 each would be $100, unless you are saying that you have 10 people going.

I know better than to try and math. lol So, if the ride was $10, we have 6 people making it $60 per ride. For 10 rides, that’s $600. Still a price tag that is crazy to me. I’ve corrected my numbers in my post, hopefully getting it right this time. Thanks for the heads up!

And my estimate is probably on the low side. It wouldn’t matter to me if it was higher, I rule it out at $10. How much higher it actually is makes no difference. Not only would I not pay $10, it still leaves us with a lot of rides that we’d have absolutely no solution to avoid what will still be long lines.

I’d be willing to pay for something more similar to FP- a Universal type access, but when you consider the cost of a per ride fee, the pia factor of paying per ride and the inability to avoid lines on rides without purchasing access, it’s absolutely something I wouldn’t do. I intensely dislike the concept of pay per ride and when you add up the possible cost, it’s just not anything I’m interested in.

 

[cakebaker]

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It will most likely be $15.00 or more per ride. They were selling 3 extra FP for $50.00 if you were staying in club level pre covid. They have all the data they need or what they know people are willing to pay.

We turned down the $50 for 3 offer when we stayed concierge. I thought that was crazy, but I also still had free FP+. It’s why I expect the price to be higher with the new system. If they could sell 3 for $50 when you already had 3 included in your costs months in advance, they can sell them for more when it’s all you have.

Looking back, when people said that offer was just a test for paid FP, they were right. Had it not been a success, we probably wouldn’t be looking at a paid system now. Covid just gave Disney the chance to implement it. But I turned it down then and I’ll turn it down now.

 

[Bearval]

I know better than to try and math. lol So, if the ride was $10, we have 6 people making it $60 per ride. For 10 rides, that’s $600. Still a price tag that is crazy to me. I’ve corrected my numbers in my post, hopefully getting it right this time. Thanks for the heads up!

And my estimate is probably on the low side. It wouldn’t matter to me if it was higher, I rule it out at $10. How much higher it actually is makes no difference. Not only would I not pay $10, it still leaves us with a lot of rides that we’d have absolutely no solution to avoid what will still be long lines.

I’d be willing to pay for something more similar to FP- a Universal type access, but when you consider the cost of a per ride fee, the pia factor of paying per ride and the inability to avoid lines on rides without purchasing access, it’s absolutely something I wouldn’t do. I intensely dislike the concept of pay per ride and when you add up the possible cost, it’s just not anything I’m interested in.

If park admission was free and you had to pay per ride I would be ok with that. But to charge $100.00 or more plus $15.00 or more per ride is crazy. I wouldn't pay even $1.00 per ride just out of principle. Disney says they are going to do this to enhance the guests experience. The problem is the parks are too crowded. Just raise the ticket prices to where you reduce the crowd but earn the same revenue. At least then guests will have a reasonable expectation of what a day at the parks will cost for a family.

 

[Marionnette]

If park admission was free and you had to pay per ride I would be ok with that. But to charge $100.00 or more plus $15.00 or more per ride is crazy. I wouldn't pay even $1.00 per ride just out of principle. Disney says they are going to do this to enhance the guests experience. The problem is the parks are too crowded. Just raise the ticket prices to where you reduce the crowd but earn the same revenue. At least then guests will have a reasonable expectation of what a day at the parks will cost for a family.

I agree with the idea but fewer guests means less merchandise and food sold. It means fewer people filling hotel rooms. So Disney has a vested interest in keeping gate prices low enough to draw large numbers into the parks. But once they get those people inside the gates, they don't know what to do with them.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

If park admission was free and you had to pay per ride I would be ok with that. But to charge $100.00 or more plus $15.00 or more per ride is crazy. I wouldn't pay even $1.00 per ride just out of principle. Disney says they are going to do this to enhance the guests experience. The problem is the parks are too crowded. Just raise the ticket prices to where you reduce the crowd but earn the same revenue. At least then guests will have a reasonable expectation of what a day at the parks will cost for a family.

Ticket prices are already high in my opinion and I am sure they will not lower ticket prices and then charge per ride. If this a rode they take, we will use our DVC to sleep and drive to Universal Studios for parks

 

[Bearval]

I agree with the idea but fewer guests means less merchandise and food sold. It means fewer people filling hotel rooms. So Disney has a vested interest in keeping gate prices low enough to draw large numbers into the parks. But once they get those people inside the gates, they don't know what to do with them.

I hear you on that but they are going to have trouble filling their rooms . Alot of people who want to go to Disney will have to make a choice of staying on site and waiting in lines or staying off site and using what they saved for paid passes. This would also have these guests eating off site too. Also Disney is going to turn alot of guests off from returning every year or couple of years to a one and done .

 

[Bearval]

Ticket prices are already high in my opinion and I am sure they will not lower ticket prices and then charge per ride. If this a rode they take, we will use our DVC to sleep and drive to Universal Studios for parks

You got it. My wife and I have said the same thing. We love our DVC but may just use that as a home base to visit other attractions.