The Official LOST Season Five *No Spoilers* Thread

See, that's what I can't understand - why do people (not just on the DIS but on the other Lost forum I read) believe that "whatever happens, happens" is the gospel truth, written in stone, total fact? Just because Daniel said it, doesn't mean it's true. Can't Daniel be wrong about something? Look at the girl who's stuck in a coma (can't remember her name right now) - we've pretty much assumed that she's one of Daniel's experiments that didn't quite work. Daniel was wrong about something; why can't he be wrong about "whatever happened, happened"??

And don't forget - Daniel was on Widmore's freighter, his research was bankrolled by Widmore, and Daniel's mother (Eloise) was working for Ben (and her whereabouts known by Widmore, so maybe she's working both sides). Just because Daniel is the typical scatter-brained scientist doesn't mean that HE might be trying to manipulate people, too.

I think you'd be surprised how many don't buy that theory. Right now I do beleive that is where the writers are coming from but a lot do not believe that so you are not alone.

For me, it does not just stem from Daniel. But also other things that we have seen happen. Ethan for example. If the losties hadn't saved Amy he would not have been born and we know he was alive and well on the island in 2004.

Also, Eloise in talking to Des said that the universe tends to course correct and she used the illustration of the man in the red shoes. If she had saved him then he would have died another way. Same way with Des saving Charlie.

Also, if Sayid did indeed kill Ben then it would have unraveled the whole Lost story. Ben is what brought them all back so if he died at the tender age of 12 then he wouldn't have been around in 2007 to bring them all back to the island and thus Sayid wouldn't have been on the island to kill him.

I don't think I am doing a very good job of explaining. It makes a lot of sense in my head right now. But all of that could change if the writers give us a twist in the next couple episodes.
 
For me, it does not just stem from Daniel. But also other things that we have seen happen. Ethan for example. If the losties hadn't saved Amy he would not have been born and we know he was alive and well on the island in 2004.
And going along with Eloise's theory, if the losties hadn't saved Amy, something else would have. And we know that it did, because Ethan was alive and well in 2004.
 
And next week we will find Bobby Ewing in the shower........it's really hard to keep up with this show, but all I know is that I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE this show.........great ending last night!:thumbsup2
 
What I can't figure out is nobody seems to have a clue as to what to do now? Okay, the Losties are all back in 1977, now what? They all just seem content to live in Dharma village doing their menial jobs. Nobody has even asked "How do we get home???". They didn't ask it before they got on Ajira 316 and they haven't asked it since they got back to the island.

ITA, very frustrating. The only thing I can figure is that now that they are back on the island they are being watched by the other Dharma people and don't want to blow their cover - they just haven't had a chance to really discuss it yet.
I don't get why Juliet doesn't want to get back either - she said there was another sub coming in, why not make sure she is on it and be done with it? :confused3
 

I still don't get why they didn't tell Dharma the truth in 1974? Dharma was there to study the 'properties of the island' and one of them was time travel so wouldn't they be interested in meeting people from the future? I realize they are running a risk by they are running a risk by lying as well.
 
Oh! and the line from Sayid when he was high..."Ask Sawyer (looking at Sawyer)" and Horace, "Who the hell is Sawyer?" and the stupid jerky hatch guy, "who cares?" That was classic!

I thought this line, the chicken sandwich and the burning bus lines were AWESOME! :rotfl:

Exactly. That's why Ben kept calling Sayid a killer...I think it explains his know-it-all attitude better than having files on each person--he actually met them before!

Exactly my thought! He KNEW them when they arrived on the island, that's why all the Others knew their names-remembering the whispering of their names in the jungle, they would just show up and know their names, etc.? When Flight 815 crashed, Ben instantly wanted a list of who was on that plane, who did he already know from the past that was back??

This show is nuts! I love it!

Just FYI, I don't open the thread either. I'm the last group to get the show, LMAO...Hawaii Standard Time!! (6 hrs later than the east coast) So go ahead and discuss and I don't read it until after I watch the show and you guys are all in bed LOL!

And, I'm totally jealous. Hawaii Standard Time. :cloud9:
 
Brookelizabeth,
what is that dish in your siggie? I just gotta know!!

Casey's Corn Dog Nuggets! SO YUMMY!

I'm not a huge corn dog fan in general, but these deep fried goodies are crazy good. Don't know if it's the Main Street pixie dust atmosphere, or if they are just really that good?! But regardless, a must do for me! :laughing:
 
I still don't get why they didn't tell Dharma the truth in 1974? Dharma was there to study the 'properties of the island' and one of them was time travel so wouldn't they be interested in meeting people from the future? I realize they are running a risk by they are running a risk by lying as well.

You know, I hadn't thought about that, but it's a very good point. You know that *I'm* not a believer in the "whatever happened, happened" theory - I'm of the opinion that if you time-travel to the past, your actions can change the future. So we've got Sawyer, Juliet et al back with the Dharma folks. I'm sure some of them are like me and don't believe Daniel's theory that you can't change what happened. Why don't they just tell them, hey, there's some weird stuff going on with the island and time travel IS possible, we're from 2004. All kinds of nasty stuff is going to happen (the purge and the Others/Hostiles take over your village, our plane crashes and this wacko named Ben tortures us, etc.), so let's try to change things.

Or maybe that's what going to happen in the next couple of episodes....maybe Jack or Kate DOES tell one of the Dharma folks something and that's what leads to the "incident"?:confused3
 
Casey's Corn Dog Nuggets! SO YUMMY!

I'm not a huge corn dog fan in general, but these deep fried goodies are crazy good. Don't know if it's the Main Street pixie dust atmosphere, or if they are just really that good?! But regardless, a must do for me! :laughing:

Thank you! I had been worndering that since about page 10!!

You know, I hadn't thought about that, but it's a very good point. You know that *I'm* not a believer in the "whatever happened, happened" theory - I'm of the opinion that if you time-travel to the past, your actions can change the future. So we've got Sawyer, Juliet et al back with the Dharma folks. I'm sure some of them are like me and don't believe Daniel's theory that you can't change what happened. Why don't they just tell them, hey, there's some weird stuff going on with the island and time travel IS possible, we're from 2004. All kinds of nasty stuff is going to happen (the purge and the Others/Hostiles take over your village, our plane crashes and this wacko named Ben tortures us, etc.), so let's try to change things.

Or maybe that's what going to happen in the next couple of episodes....maybe Jack or Kate DOES tell one of the Dharma folks something and that's what leads to the "incident"?:confused3
Whatever happens, it is going to be GREAT!! popcorn::

On another note after 2 years I FINALLY found someone at work who watches Lost!!! Now I have someone else to brainstorm with! He works downstairs so at least now I know I will get some excercise! :rolleyes1
 
I can sort of understand Sawyer, Jin, Juliet and Miles living contentedly with Dharma - they had experienced all the time flashes, ended up in the past when Locke left and moved the wheel, so they figure once Locke gets back then he'll tell them how to get back to the present.

I think they may have given up also. After all, 3 years is a long time to wait. They were probably expecting him to come back soon and when he didn't they probably felt that their only choices were getting on the sub and going back to the states with nothing. No home, family, money, jobs or history or staying and living with Dharma.

The purge is a long ways off and something they probably felt that they could deal with when it got closer. I can totally understand their making a home and life there. Doesn't seem like they had to much of a choice.
 
My favorite line was "We took a vote. Even a new mother wants you dead!":rotfl:
 
They didn't give up though. Part of Jin's job was to search the island for any sign of their return. Every day.

FINE!!! They didn't give up. You just gotta shot holes in my theories, don't you? :rotfl:
 
FINE!!! They didn't give up. You just gotta shot holes in my theories, don't you? :rotfl:

I feel for you, Heidi! Just about every theory of mine that I post gets shot down, too!:laughing: Oh well; that's the beauty of Lost - it's one of those shows that makes you think; not too many shows like that around any more. And I have a feeling that by the end of the final season, we're ALL going to be wrong! ;)
 
FINE!!! They didn't give up. You just gotta shot holes in my theories, don't you? :rotfl:
Sorry. :flower3: I can't help myself.:lmao:

On another note, Daniel's whole "Whatever happened, happened" time travel theory. I believe it. Not because he said it. Or even because Mrs. Hawkings said it. I believe it because the producers/writers for the show said it. Here is an excerpt from The Official Lost Podcast with Damon and Carlton. They specifically address the time travel issue. And state that nothing the Losties do will change the present or the future. So, even though Sayid shot young Ben, he did not kill him. And young Ben was always shot.

Damon Lindelof: Just a quick sort of side note in terms of the way that we deal with time travel on the show - we are very paradox averse; that is to say, when our characters are time traveling, nothing that they do can change the present or the future that you have seen. Which is different than you know, the conventional Back to the Future time travel story telling.
Carlton Cuse: Or Heroes.
Damon Lindelof: Or Heroes, yeah.
Carlton Cuse: For us, what we don't want is for the audience to not be invested in the flash-forwards. When you see that, it would be pretty meaningless if they were a changeable reality-
Damon Lindelof: Well, as far as time travel goes.
Carlton Cuse: As far as time travel goes, yes.
Damon Lindelof: As far as time travel goes, definitely not changeable.
Carlton Cuse: Right. Or that you have a different Jack popping up in an alternative reality which is different than the one that we've established.
Damon Lindelof: Right. That stuff is all really cool, I mean, the Heroes - case in point for all those who watch both shows, we certainly do and are big fans of Heroes - but if Hiro moves back to the past and says "There's a catastrophe that's gonna happen unless you guys save the cheerleader," if they do save the cheerleader, then theoretically future Hiro never exists to come back and warn them. But you know, that's paradox.
Carlton Cuse: The hard thing about this episode was actually structuring the time travel elements - or consciousness traveling elements - and avoiding paradox. But that again is something that I think a lot of people have speculated about - "are there parallel futures, are there sort of multiple universes and worlds that exist in the future depending on how events in the past play out?" and that is not our intention.
Damon Lindelof: Yeah, and Ms. Hawking basically explained those rules in the first episode, "Flashes Before Your Eyes" where she basically said that the universe has a way of course correcting, so even if you did something in the past that you didn't do before, somehow the sort of fabric of time like swoops in around you and fixes everything so things don't go off the rails. I assume probably after "The Constant" we're going to get a lot of questions like "Well, did Penny know when she went to go see Desmond at the stadium in 2001 that he had told her to wait by the phone back in 1994?" and all of these questions, and to that we say refer to the Ms. Hawking scene in "Flashes Before Your Eyes". She gives a fairly good explanation of how everything works.
 
I think Ben survives.

I'm absolutely certain he survives. I don't know it this has been already mentioned, but if you all recall back in season two when Juliet convinced Jack to operate on the the cyst in Ben's back, they said it was caused by a bullet from a childhood accident.
 
And next week we will find Bobby Ewing in the shower........it's really hard to keep up with this show, but all I know is that I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE this show.........great ending last night!:thumbsup2

Or Bob Newhart wil wake up next to Suzanne Pleshette and realize it was all a dream and that really was Larry :lmao:
 
I'm absolutely certain he survives. I don't know it this has been already mentioned, but if you all recall back in season two when Juliet convinced Jack to operate on the the cyst in Ben's back, they said it was caused by a bullet from a childhood accident.
WOW, you have an awesome memory!! How the heck did you remember that? So, maybe Ben does remember all of them from his childhood?

I feel for you, Heidi! Just about every theory of mine that I post gets shot down, too!:laughing: Oh well; that's the beauty of Lost - it's one of those shows that makes you think; not too many shows like that around any more. And I have a feeling that by the end of the final season, we're ALL going to be wrong! ;)
It's fun guessing though and it makes it all the more sweet when I finally do get something right. Which is very rare. :rotfl:

Sorry. :flower3: I can't help myself.:lmao:

Betcha my guy can beat up your guy though!! :rotfl: Not that I don't love your guy also. ;)
 












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