The NEW Contemporary Resort with DVC?!?

[G8RFAN]

I don't think it would be a good idea to do this. I can't believe that Disney would tear down part of an original Resort. Plus it just does not look right. It takes attention away from the monorail going through the tower. Right now it looks very nice... you have big tower with monorail going through it with two smaller buindings to the side.

The major sentiment is that the wings are an eyesore. The problem designing a structure as unique as the tower is that very little can complement. There are certain architectural details from the renderings that try to complement the tower as one poster alluded to without it being a tower II copy. The other aspect is that the tower is forever stuck in the 70's retro-futuristic design and is the very heart of the clear cut love/hate relationship most people have. No sane architect would design a building that would follow along the same lines without some clear post modern design incorporated so that someday there could be a transition for design overhaul of the tower (ie get rid of the dark metal accents and bronzed glass and replace it with stainless steel and green glass as a suggestion).

A little OT, as a Trekkie fan, when TNG first came out, I boycotted it for the first season. I then watched a episode while at a friend's house and was soon hooked. I would have to say that TNG is the best of all of the Star Trek series. The point is, I do enjoy staying at CR, but I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and find a way to improve their only "dinosaur" resort.

 

[raidermatt]

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of the Contemporary tower as it stands, but just to be clear, they aren't looking to improve their "dinosaur" resort. If they do this, its to sell DVC units.

Further, the height of the proposed structure in comparison to the current one is a very legitimate point of contention.

Like you, I would reserve final judgement until we at least see more definitive plans, however.

 

[G8RFAN]

Height is the function of available footprint and best use. Any DVC project needs some minimal scale. If there ever was a location to build a mid-rise project, I can not think of a better location. Do you really enjoy seeing the elastomeric coatings on the North Wing's roof while wizzing by on the monorail? What's wrong with passing through the Contemporary then past a modern building face? Does the Tower have to be the tallest structure just because it was? I am a DVC member, so I am clear on the project purpose, however, if the end result is attractive, this will clearly provide the push to "tweak" the appearance of the tower, and who knows, maybe create the push to redevelop the south garden wing that can enhance their convention center. There was no denying that there is a "marketing" issue right now with the CR. At 500 rooms in the tower alone, I would think they would need more inventory to support the overhead. The restaurants and shops could support a DVC resort, but it still would not solve their vacancy/price point "problem" by just removing 250 wing rooms. I would have to imagine that this is only phase 1 of a much more grand CR project. This is the rumors thread right? lol

 

[Dsnyfam]

This hotel almost looks like a DVC resort. I have never stayed there, but would like to (for the monorail). Does anyone here like this resort aside from the DVC rumor?

 

[YoHo]

Height is the function of available footprint and best use. Any DVC project needs some minimal scale. If there ever was a location to build a mid-rise project, I can not think of a better location. Do you really enjoy seeing the elastomeric coatings on the North Wing's roof while wizzing by on the monorail? What's wrong with passing through the Contemporary then past a modern building face? Does the Tower have to be the tallest structure just because it was? I am a DVC member, so I am clear on the project purpose, however, if the end result is attractive, this will clearly provide the push to "tweak" the appearance of the tower, and who knows, maybe create the push to redevelop the south garden wing that can enhance their convention center. There was no denying that there is a "marketing" issue right now with the CR. At 500 rooms in the tower alone, I would think they would need more inventory to support the overhead. The restaurants and shops could support a DVC resort, but it still would not solve their vacancy/price point "problem" by just removing 250 wing rooms. I would have to imagine that this is only phase 1 of a much more grand CR project. This is the rumors thread right? lol

The problem with the height of the tower is that it ruins sightlines INSIDE THE PARK and undoes the very specific design concerns that went into the CR.

CR was designed to blend in with MK in subtle and important ways, this completely ruins that and thus has a negative effect on MK.

 

[G8RFAN]

"Ruins" is a pretty harsh word. I must remember to bring my tripod and level transit next time I'm in Tomorrowland unless of course you've done this already.

 

[YoHo]

Well, I had no idea that I needed to do a personal survey to interpret the work of great imagineers and compare the thought process to this new design.


Of course, considering how integrated the original building is, any tower that's larger and closer then the original, can't possibly not ruin the sightlines.

 

[G8RFAN]

Sorry for being facetious, I had a rough day yesterday. Technically I don't think it will be all that bad. A lot has changed from what the original imagineers designed to what you see today (SM, Toontown, etc). It probably doesn't mater to traditionalists, but very few people tend to notice CR's tower from within the park and even fewer can remember at what locations there is visibility. I think the first time I truly ever noticed it was from the Astro Orbiter. I'm pretty confident, a mid-rise tower concept of no more than 150' at that location would not obscure any view from the tower to MK and vice versa. If anything the parasailers would not be able to have a nice view of the castle.

 

[dbm20th]

Perhaps I'm just not a devoted Disney fundamentalists, but a view of the CR from TL was never one of the things I got really excited about when I went to Florida. Call me boring

 

[crazy4wdw]

At 500 rooms in the tower alone, I would think they would need more inventory to support the overhead. The restaurants and shops could support a DVC resort, but it still would not solve their vacancy/price point "problem" by just removing 250 wing rooms. I would have to imagine that this is only phase 1 of a much more grand CR project. This is the rumors thread right? lol

Actually, there are 360 rooms in the tower plus the suites on the 14th floor.

 

[YoHo]

The fact that you didn't get excited about it is the point. It just looked right being there, because a lot of effort was put in to make sure it blended in. The same cannot be said for the new DVC structure which is straight vertical. The original's angled lines cause it to look smaller then it is.

 

[Another Voice]

Perhaps I'm just not a devoted Disney fundamentalists, but a view of the CR from TL was never one of the things I got really excited about when I went to Florida.

It's because you're not supposed to notice it. Just like you're not supposed to notice special effects in movies or hum along with the musical score during a chase scene - these elements are supporting to what going on.

That's why the Swan and Dolphin are so bad from Epcot. You can't help but to notice them. All they do is call attention to themselves instead of enhancing World Showcase in any way.

And that's why this potential new prison block is so bad. It's not designed to support 'Tomorrowland' - it's designed to look as Miami Beach condo as possible to make easier sales.

edited to correct my horrible typing skills

 

[minnie61650]

It's because you supposed to notice it. Just like you're not supposed to notice special effects in movies or hum along with the musical score during a chase scene - these elements are supporting to what going on.

That's why the Swan and Dolphin are so bad from Epcot. You can't help but to notice them. All they do is call attention to themselves instead of enhancing World Showcase in any way.

And that's why this potential new prison block is so bad. It's not designed to support 'Tomorrowland' - it's designed to look as Miami Beach condo as possible to make easier sales.

I think the height is needed if one wants great views of the MK and the monorail will make it a quick sell out.

JMHO

 

[MAGICX2]

I clicked on the links posted, but have yet to find any pics of drawings or computer rendering. Are they gone? What am I doing wrong?

 

[YoHo]

They may be removed from all sights. Who knows what the lawyers have been up to since this thread started.

 

[crazy4wdw]

I clicked on the links posted, but have yet to find any pics of drawings or computer rendering. Are they gone? What am I doing wrong?

The renderings are still posted on the DVC Board.

Here's the link: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1187616&page=1&pp=15

 

[SoCalKDG]

The problem with the height of the tower is that it ruins sightlines INSIDE THE PARK and undoes the very specific design concerns that went into the CR.

CR was designed to blend in with MK in subtle and important ways, this completely ruins that and thus has a negative effect on MK.

From where? In TL Space Mountain will block the view of this proposed DVC.

While riding Splash you can make out the middle of the Contemporary(for about 2 seconds) off in the distance but to the left side the view is blocked.

So show us a picture of where it ruins the view and then we can discuss that.

 

[YoHo]

How can I post a picture of a building that doesn't exist?

Also, you can see the Contemporary from a lot more locations, your eye just doesn't focus on it, because the Imagineers designed it that way.


Way do be argumentative for no reason though, I like that.

Cotemporary can be visible from Tomorrowland, it used to be visible form elsewhere, vegitation has largly closed it off

 

[SoCalKDG]

How can I post a picture of a building that doesn't exist?

You post a picture of the Contemporary that shows the area to the left of it. Pretty simple. I've included one to help you out. Its from the TTA. You can see the Contemporary, Space Mountain blocks the area to the left of the Contemporary. See picture below.

Also, you can see the Contemporary from a lot more locations, your eye just doesn't focus on it, because the Imagineers designed it that way.

Who cares if you can see the Contemporary, its the area to the left that you are worried about.

Way do be argumentative for no reason though, I like that.

Huh? That sentance made no sense.

Cotemporary can be visible from Tomorrowland, it used to be visible form elsewhere, vegitation has largly closed it off

Once again, we know you can see the Contemporary. What we are interested in is the area to the left of the Contemporary where the rumored new DVC would be built.

 

[YoHo]

Uh, based on the pictures of the building, SM won't block it, not all of it anyway.